List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)

Rookie Me Central 2025 Draft Guide

2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[FootyOutlier]

Essendon and Richmond do not want CDT. They want dibs on Robey. Only reason to sell 2.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Denial is a river in Egypt

It's also having the worst midfield in the AFL while simultaneously having the greatest midfield talent since Dustin Martin in Harley Reid, then having the balls to address the problem by:

- Bringing in one delisted brissie reject (no offence Dev)

- Taking a flanker/wingman and unicorn utility with the first 2 picks of the draft while there are proven ready made elite midfielders on the table in Sharp , Cumming ect

SA kids seem so talented this year too.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Durrsma at 1 looks great, but if I’m perfectly honest I’d gladly trade to Essendon for 5 and 6. Sharp and Cumming.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Durrsma at 1 looks great, but if I’m perfectly honest I’d gladly trade to Essendon for 5 and 6. Sharp and Cumming.

Who at 2? Robey or CDT?

 

[juice568]

Durrsma at 1 looks great, but if I’m perfectly honest I’d gladly trade to Essendon for 5 and 6. Sharp and Cumming.

I dont think essendon are doing that trade though

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

The Dons have a nice little stack of picks in 21 27 and 30. They alone should be more than are needed to to match their NGA prospects.

Whether it is Robey or CDT, I do not care. I want and are expecting competition for pick 2.

If it is as simple as 2+13 for 5+6, great for both. We miss out on first choice and then address our midfield need at 5 and can go again with mids or go a Schubert or Dovaston or Farrow.

How do the Drug Rats look
2, 13, 21, 27, 30
A jump of 4 places with their first pick from 6 to 2 and a drop back of 6 places from 7 to 13. Pretty fair.
At 13 there will be a choice of one of Lindsay, Greeves, NHH, Marsh, Dovaston, O Taylor. There are loads of positional needs for Bombers. Maybe this time Brad Scott gets to pick a Phillipou!!! I do not expect them to go a small forward but there will be other options.

They get the first "non Duursma" pick and then I believe they are well placed for getting the Blues pick. Or even doing something with Richmond.

Blues Dons
13+30 for 9 gets the Dons back in for what I believe is the back end of the 2nd tier. Blues get a points upgrade.
Dons left with 2, 9, 21 and 27

Tigers Dons
13+21+FF2 could get them 4.
Dons left with 2, 4 27, 30 but minus a FF2

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

The full season highlights series is back for another year, and who better to kick things off with than the guy who has emerged as the clear number 1 pick in most people’s estimation, Willem Duursma!

Will the thrill is a rangy and athletic young man with the ability and confidence to impose himself on games and inspire his team with game breaking moments of play. His rapid improvement this year as a midfielder cemented his pick 1 candidacy, and he’s also shown he’s fully capable of impacting in the forward line and defence.

Duursma's kicking looks pretty good.

 

[FootyOutlier]

The Dons have a nice little stack of picks in 21 27 and 30. They alone should be more than are needed to to match their NGA prospects.

Whether it is Robey or CDT, I do not care. I want and are expecting competition for pick 2.

If it is as simple as 2+13 for 5+6, great for both. We miss out on first choice and then address our midfield need at 5 and can go again with mids or go a Schubert or Dovaston or Farrow.

How do the Drug Rats look
2, 13, 21, 27, 30
A jump of 4 places with their first pick from 6 to 2 and a drop back of 6 places from 7 to 13. Pretty fair.
At 13 there will be a choice of one of Lindsay, Greeves, NHH, Marsh, Dovaston, O Taylor. There are loads of positional needs for Bombers. Maybe this time Brad Scott gets to pick a Phillipou!!! I do not expect them to go a small forward but there will be other options.
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They get the first "non Duursma" pick and then I believe they are well placed for getting the Blues pick. Or even doing something with Richmond.

Bluesons
13+30 for 9 gets the Dons back in for what I believe is the back end of the 2nd tier. Blues get a points upgrade.
Dons left with 2, 9, 21 and 27

Tigersons
13+21+FF2 could get them 4.
Dons left with 2, 4 27, 30 but minus a FF2

I truly believe we should trade pick 2 (and 13). For 5+6. CDT will slide to 5 and then we can get sharp or cumming at 6 and at least then we use a pick for positional need and talent.

 

[Corn69]

Fred Rodriguez at 16 isn't a bad option. He's had a bit of a down year but he's a pure mid and a better option than say someone like Farrow.

I'd be quite happy with something like Duursma/CDT and Rodriguez not mention Banfield/Williams/Evans later in the draft.

 

[javaguice]

Curveball.... I suspect bombers still big on WD.

What are people's thoughts on trading 1 for 5 and 6 then ending up with CDT, sharp and Cumming?

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Curveball.... I suspect bombers still big on WD.

What are people's thoughts on trading 1 for 5 and 6 then ending up with CDT, sharp and Cumming?

It's Duursma then daylight for me. Must take him.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Open to trading 2 for 2x top 10 or fine with Yeahnahmate

Pick 1 has to, and will be WD to us though as he’s clear and the club won’t f it up

 

[fullbull]

So I hear a lot about the term "best available" this time of year. Yes, the US term when considering 270 NFL draftees who are fully grown men having been in professional programmes for 2 to 4 years and there are multiple books written on each prospect and the science and analytics that go into it make our combine look silly. They do not always get it right (hello Tom Brady and Brock Purdy). But there is a higher success rate in the first 2 rounds.

"Draft for talent and trade for needs" is another. A trade system that allows players to be traded in contract and almost without consent. A contracting process that allows clubs to bank salary cap and then within 2 years go from rubbish to contenders.

The AFL has tried to take on many of the NFL aspects with salary cap, draft and free agency. But the biggest issue for me is the age players are drafted. At 18, it is really hard to put up an argument on many players that will hold in the fulness of time as to exact Best Available.

I will go back to an average year in 2020.
October 2020 Cal had the following form guide

1. Ugle Hagan
2. McDonald
3. Hollands (Elijah)
4. Thilthorpe
5. Granger Barras
6. Campbell
7. Phillips
8. Bruhn

At 22 - Gulden
At 25 - Zane Trew

If you think this is the Covid years, I went back to 2019. Cal in August got it much better at the top (Rowell, Anderson, Young, Serong were up there)
then
7. Bordie Kemp
8. Fischer McAsey
9. Dev Robertson
13. Dylan Stephens
14. Luke Jackson
15. Will Gould
25. Will Day

Some other anomalies from the draft itself

• 2018 - Chance Jones, Jye Caldwell at 11 then Butters at 12. There was not a lot of arms up saying "Wrong".
• 2022 - Tsatsas was ranked by Cal Sept as 3 and went at 5, Matthew Jefferson ranked at 10 by Cal and went at 15, Alwyn Davey was ranked by Cal at 15 and went at 45. (The form guide from Cal was September)

I am not saying that drafting is easy. The ability to translate a player at 17 and 18 into a mature man playing AFL is hard. There is a load of guess work, far more than in the NFL

Therefore to stand on ceremony and say that CDT is clearly the second best in the open draft, I smile. We get so caught up with 6 months worth of football. Or in Robey's case, 3 months.

I will continue to want to use the draft to list manage and needs will play a massive part in it. Especially for interstate teams that do not have the high volume of players drawn back to Victoria.

I have put in the updates I believe will happen. I have assumed we take Duursma at 1, even though we are uncertain here he will play . However I left pick 2 and pick 13 out of the grid.

Ask yourself, with pick 2, should we go "best available" with a second uncertain where he plays CDT? Then go with 13 (9 if we can bundle up) and hope there is a mid that slides.

OR

1. Could we package up 2 and 13 and get 2 midfielders from the Don's picks.
2. Do we guarantee a high quality proved midfielder at 2 even though some are enamoured with a unicorn, as fixing contested football start with the midfield and we have gaps?

Are we going to keep Harley happy with his fulltime midfield support coming from Hall, Dev, Graham and Yeo?

You have 2 blue pins - one pick 2 and one pick 13. In which box do you think you will place it? Best available or greatest need?
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Love a Brock Purdy mention on BigFooty. Go Niners

 

[WCE777]

I'm confused why people think Essendon would want to trade 5 & 6 for 2 & 13, when they want Duursma and we'll likely take him at pick 1.
We aren't getting those picks for pick 2. Pick 1 would be their target.

then just take picks 1 & 2 with our targets

 

[element]

I wouldn't mind if we split 2 (and probably something else on top) with, say, Essendon, for 5 OR 6, + their future first.
This is a consensus weak draft and I'd be more inclined to have a couple cracks at the top 10 next year when there is a better chance at a good kid (and the last draft before Tassie gives everyone scraps for 2 years).

Would spread our picks over 2 years, getting 2 top 10 in each. Would rather that than take 3 in a weaker draft and only 1 in a stronger one.

Losing a year of development on a top pick is worth it if it means there's a better chance that they'll be good.
Thoughts?

 

[amazingjoshy]

It's Duursma then daylight for me. Must take him.

Clear number 1, is exactly the type of player we lack from what i can see, sounds happy to come....nd is mates with Harley from the sounds of it

Be crazy to not pick him

 

[bzparkes]

What are people's thoughts on trading 1 for 5 and 6 then ending up with CDT, sharp and Cumming?

 

[bzparkes]

I wouldn't mind if we split 2 (and probably something else on top) with, say, Essendon, for 5 OR 6, + their future first.
This is a consensus weak draft and I'd be more inclined to have a couple cracks at the top 10 next year when there is a better chance at a good kid (and the last draft before Tassie gives everyone scraps for 2 years).

Would spread our picks over 2 years, getting 2 top 10 in each. Would rather that than take 3 in a weaker draft and only 1 in a stronger one.

Losing a year of development on a top pick is worth it if it means there's a better chance that they'll be good.
Thoughts?

First of all, why would Essendon do that?

 

[juice568]

Curveball.... I suspect bombers still big on WD.

What are people's thoughts on trading 1 for 5 and 6 then ending up with CDT, sharp and Cumming?

Essendon arent trading 5&6 for 1 or 2

 

[eaglespremiers]

So what do expect players over 200cm are in the team to do first and foremost?

I think we fundamentally disagree on the criteria to determine the impact of an AFL ruckman.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Fred Rodriguez at 16 isn't a bad option. He's had a bit of a down year but he's a pure mid and a better option than say someone like Farrow.

I'd be quite happy with something like Duursma/CDT and Rodriguez not mention Banfield/Williams/Evans later in the draft.

He's got his limitations with pace and his inside game. I think pick 13 is probably a big reach, although he's unlikely to be available at our next pick.

 

[eaglevision]

Curveball.... I suspect bombers still big on WD.

What are people's thoughts on trading 1 for 5 and 6 then ending up with CDT, sharp and Cumming?

1,13 for 5,6,F1 (ESS) I’d do.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

I was trying to think of the last top rated utility that went at pick one, then I did a bit of reading and it came to me…………..Jack Watts

 

[Eastern Rangers]

1,13 for 5,6,F1 (ESS) I’d do.

I'd trade down 2 to 5 for a future 2nd round pick.

Would still end up with one of Sharp, Robey or CDT. Probably Sharp.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Pick 34 hearing we have interest in two WA boys
Sam Swadling
and
Cody Curtin