List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

I was trying to think of the last top rated utility that went at pick one, then I did a bit of reading and it came to me…………..Jack Watts

"A strongly built utility, Reid has plied his trade in all three areas of the ground, and his versatility was on full display as he was deployed everywhere in his VFL debut."

VFL Player Focus: Harley Reid (Carlton)

Top pick fancy Harley Reid made his VFL debut on the weekend, linking with Carlton in a solid first-up outing.

central.rookieme.com

 

[bzparkes]

I was trying to think of the last top rated utility that went at pick one, then I did a bit of reading and it came to me…………..Jack Watts

Utility?

Actually, it was Harley Reid.

He played across all 3 lines in his junior career, just like Duursma.

His underage year he mostly played HB.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

"A strongly built utility, Reid has plied his trade in all three areas of the ground, and his versatility was on full display as he was deployed everywhere in his VFL debut."

VFL Player Focus: Harley Reid (Carlton)

Top pick fancy Harley Reid made his VFL debut on the weekend, linking with Carlton in a solid first-up outing.

central.rookieme.com

And let me just add, being a utility does not always mean you're not solid in any given position. Case in point above. Sometimes, it means you're talented enough to give an equally important output on any line.

Also worth noting, players such as Reid and Duursma who are this good will be moved around the ground in order to give their peers an opportunity to strut their stuff in their more limited range of positions.

Utility. It's not a dirty word.

 

[FKASC]

Fold

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Pick 34 hearing we have interest in two WA boys
Sam Swadling
and
Cody Curtin

Yeah that’s interesting, I was thinking if WC didn’t draft CDT they may well target Cody Curtin later in the draft, and focus on midfielders early, which I’d be more than ok with.

 

[eaglevision]

I'd trade down 2 to 5 for a future 2nd round pick.

Would still end up with one of Sharp, Robey or CDT. Probably Sharp.

I think the market for CDT will get us more than that. If that’s the best offer we get and we know Sharp is available then I’d take it.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Midfields aren't built in a draft and they really aren't built in a weak draft like this one is said to be. I'm happy with bids on the Gold Coast and Brisbane NGAs, then Duursma and CDT, whoever at 13, then Banfield and the NGAs.

Then hit what is meant to be a stronger draft with another top 3 pick next year.

Spot on. We've got Hewett from 2022, Harley 2023, Allan, Gross & McCarthy 2024, Duursma & Banfield 2025. Its a good steady injection of mids.

Bringing in Dev also helps buy us time, as well as potentially bringing in another mature age rookie as per discussions (Philips, Schoenberg, etc).

There's no need to reach for a mid at #2.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Sorry people I was just comparing Duursma to Jack Watts for shits and giggles.

 

[bzparkes]

Sorry people I was just comparing Duursma to Jack Watts for shits and giggles.

Well, I'm somewhat confident he'd also like **** & swimming.

 

[noobermensch]

1,13 for 5,6,F1 (ESS) I’d do.

Sorry to butt in but an Essendon fan perspective might be useful.

All of these proposals you've all been making are a good example of why I don't think any top end pick trading is likely this year. At least inside the top 6 as it stands. Of course you would do the quoted deal, but I very much doubt our recruitment team would even contemplate it.

We're going to be shit next year, Rosa knows this well. Next year is shaping up to have a number of elite prospects at the pointy end. We're not going to trade our 2026 first round pick unless its for a deal that the Eagles would never consider.

In terms of the various computations of pick 2 for 5+6 - I just can't see it. It feels almost entirely pointless to me. After Willem the rest of the top 10 is pretty even, so even if its for 2+13 we'd be giving up two picks inside the top group for one of similar value and one quite a bit less valuable.

I think when it comes to pick trading you need to find a scenario which is mutually beneficial for whatever reason. None of those scenarios are that. I do expect the Blues to make a move with their picks given the likely Dean bid - that's the kind of thing that could end up in a mutually beneficial trade.

 

[SAweagle]

Spot on. We've got Hewett from 2022, Harley 2023, Allan, Gross & McCarthy 2024, Duursma & Banfield 2025. Its a good steady injection of mids.

Bringing in Dev also helps buy us time, as well as potentially bringing in another mature age rookie as per discussions (Philips, Schoenberg, etc).

There's no need to reach for a mid at #2.

Harley Reid is the only player you've mentioned who has demonstrated a consistent ability to play full time mid. Even he has issues with conditioning and being a burst athlete rather than a gut runner. Harley is a contested pig and elite finisher, don't want him doing Cuzz style gut runs all day just yet.

Hewett is another burst athlete, has shown he has the capability to play short stints in the middle but as of yet doesn't get to the right spots to link up and disappears from the game for quarters/halves. Another elite finisher with a limited tank.

Mccarthy is needed to ensure some level of DE and creativity in the back half, cannot see why he would transition to midfield when he has had such a solid start to his career playing off HB. He excels in space and when he can think his way through situations and use that sniper boot. As the team gets better he will find the footy higher up the ground.

Gross will be a gun balanced mid, needs another 2/3 preseasons to be a viable full time option.

Allan is an unknown at this stage.

WCE are missing an inside distributor that allows Reid and Hewett types to get off the chain and use their skills

• Deven Roberston? Everyone knows his ceiling and capabilities, the hope is that he was just last in line in a stacked midfield at the Lions
• Clay Hall has the physical tools, bizarrely seemed to flourish as a link up player rather than as a first hands distributor
• Dyson Sharp is the man for this role IMO, allows HR/EH to play to their strengths, a hyper competitive mature winner who would bring the absolute best out of Harley Reid

WCE are also missing a 2 balanced mids who can run all day and have no trouble finding the footy and using it well

• Cumming fits this profile perfectly
• Banfield/Gross perhaps Clay Hall/Bo Allan can be the 2nd/3rd balanced mid in time

Leaves a beautifully balanced group of midfielders

Distributors- Sharp/Reid
Power finishers- Reid/Hewett
Balanced accumulators- Cumming/Gross/Banfield/Hall
Link up roleplayers- Allan/Dewar/Hutch/Brockman

 

[eaglevision]

Sorry to butt in but an Essendon fan perspective might be useful.

All of these proposals you've all been making are a good example of why I don't think any top end pick trading is likely this year. At least inside the top 6 as it stands. Of course you would do the quoted deal, but I very much doubt our recruitment team would even contemplate it.

We're going to be shit next year, Rosa knows this well. Next year is shaping up to have a number of elite prospects at the pointy end. We're not going to trade our 2026 first round pick unless its for a deal that the Eagles would never consider.

In terms of the various computations of pick 2 for 5+6 - I just can't see it. It feels almost entirely pointless to me. After Willem the rest of the top 10 is pretty even, so even if its for 2+13 we'd be giving up two picks inside the top group for one of similar value and one quite a bit less valuable.

I think when it comes to pick trading you need to find a scenario which is mutually beneficial for whatever reason. None of those scenarios are that. I do expect the Blues to make a move with their picks given the likely Dean bid - that's the kind of thing that could end up in a mutually beneficial trade.

Appreciate the input noobermensch, always welcome on this board. 2,13 for 5,6 is really the only deal I can see both teams potentially going for. The price WCE would set for Duursma (1) is not something I’d expect Essendon to pay.

Rosa/ROB would have to have a particular interest in CDT or a specific mid to want to pay the price to get ahead of Richmond.

I’d expect the Blues to use 9 or 11 to get another F1, then the other pick to get points for Dean and Ison.

Historically Melbourne have shown they are prepared to move up the order as high as they can get, there might be some movement there.

Who would you expect/hope Essendon pick at 5,6 if they hold them?

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Anyone not see the fact CDT could be a midfielder in the mould of Luke Jackson when he has pinch hit goes at it?

The concept he is a ruck to me seems fanciful. He is your 2nd ruck backup guy. The idea he needs to be a elite ruck is putting him into a role he wont play

Not aimed at you.

But let's just keep adding these semi not quite ruckman pinchitters second fiddle types. Before you know we've got seven of them, and we're nearly there already. And most are not going to make it.

Are we picking him as a ruckman - no
As a KPF - no
As a big bodied centreman (BBC ) they are extremely rare to make it.

So what exactly is his role?

 

[BSD]

You gotta be kidding, BW shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as LJ. BW shouldn't even be on our list.. I certainly can't recall a worse 90 gamer to have played for us.

He's as about useful to our team as Ashley Smith was ?

 

[mattyc75]

Pick 34 hearing we have interest in two WA boys
Sam Swadling
and
Cody Curtin

I wonder if we take Curtin if we are in Walters ear?

 

[uptheWC]

Not aimed at you.

But let's just keep adding these semi not quite ruckman pinchitters second fiddle types. Before you know we've got seven of them, and we're nearly there already. And most are not going to make it.

Are we picking him as a ruckman - no
As a KPF - no
As a big bodied centreman (BBC ) they are extremely rare to make it.

So what exactly is his role?

Exactly this. All well and good having the attributes of a good medium sized player, but what’s the point if he isn’t a very good ruckman and isn’t a particularly strong mark? What role does he play that a smaller player can’t?

 

[WCE777]

Pick 34 hearing we have interest in two WA boys
Sam Swadling
and
Cody Curtin

The only reason I can understand C Curtin at this pick/later pick 41 is they know what injury/illness Cody has that hampered his whole 2025 year and are not concerned going forward as a KP/KPD player?
Remember they tried to use a F1st to trade pack into the 2023 draft to grab his older brother who is turning out to be a very good player.
Cody was also tracking in 2024 to be a top 10 player in this draft before his weight gain and whatever has been going on this year.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Sorry people I was just comparing Duursma to Jack Watts for shits and giggles.

I'll meet them half way and say I see Hoskin elliot

 

[Obeanie1]

Sorry to butt in but an Essendon fan perspective might be useful.

All of these proposals you've all been making are a good example of why I don't think any top end pick trading is likely this year. At least inside the top 6 as it stands. Of course you would do the quoted deal, but I very much doubt our recruitment team would even contemplate it.

We're going to be shit next year, Rosa knows this well. Next year is shaping up to have a number of elite prospects at the pointy end. We're not going to trade our 2026 first round pick unless its for a deal that the Eagles would never consider.

In terms of the various computations of pick 2 for 5+6 - I just can't see it. It feels almost entirely pointless to me. After Willem the rest of the top 10 is pretty even, so even if its for 2+13 we'd be giving up two picks inside the top group for one of similar value and one quite a bit less valuable.

I think when it comes to pick trading you need to find a scenario which is mutually beneficial for whatever reason. None of those scenarios are that. I do expect the Blues to make a move with their picks given the likely Dean bid - that's the kind of thing that could end up in a mutually beneficial trade.

Doesnt it depend on who they want with pick 1?

And how badly they want them?

Duursma to Essendon with pick 1 will take some doing.

What would the Dons offer for Duursma?

 

[Obeanie1]

The only reason I can understand C Curtin at this pick/later pick 41 is they know what injury/illness Cody has that hampered his whole 2025 year and are not concerned going forward as a KP/KPD player?
Remember they tried to use a F1st to trade pack into the 2023 draft to grab his older brother who is turning out to be a very good player.
Cody was also tracking in 2024 to be a top 10 player in this draft before his weight gain and whatever has been going on this year.

Hopefully we do know the inside story there.

Did read a post or two saying it was understood why he has dropped off in 2025 and it isnt a long term issue. They expect him to have recovered by 2026.

Mild OP?

Mild glandular fever?

Growing pains.........?

If the Eagles rate him around the mid 30s .... 40s I'll trust our call. We do know how to land decent talls from WA, as we should.

 

[BSD]

Fred Rodriguez at 16 isn't a bad option. He's had a bit of a down year but he's a pure mid and a better option than say someone like Farrow.

I'd be quite happy with something like Duursma/CDT and Rodriguez not mention Banfield/Williams/Evans later in the draft.

Fred might have had a bit of a down year as you put it but don't forget he still made All Australian at the U-18 Championships.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Choco Williams on sen this morning.

If you want to be drafted and play at the level these are the 4 non negotiable facets required.

Have to win the contest 1 vs 1
Elite Runner speed or endurance.
Kicking skills
Footy smarts/IQ

 

[ghostbat12]

Choco Williams on sen this morning.

If you want to be drafted and play at the level these are the 4 non negotiable facets required.

Have to win the contest 1 vs 1
Elite Runner speed or endurance.
Kicking skills
Footy smarts/IQ

Wow, some real insightful stuff there. If you want to be a fish, you need to have gills. Who would have thought.

 

[twce13]

Appreciate the input noobermensch, always welcome on this board. 2,13 for 5,6 is really the only deal I can see both teams potentially going for. The price WCE would set for Duursma (1) is not something I’d expect Essendon to pay.

Rosa/ROB would have to have a particular interest in CDT or a specific mid to want to pay the price to get ahead of Richmond.

I’d expect the Blues to use 9 or 11 to get another F1, then the other pick to get points for Dean and Ison.

Historically Melbourne have shown they are prepared to move up the order as high as they can get, there might be some movement there.

Who would you expect/hope Essendon pick at 5,6 if they hold them?

have heard that deez are into robey.

i actually think pick 2 (perhaps +34) for 7 and 8 is the most likely scenario if we do want to trade down. ALbeit I suspect we just stay put.

After Duursma, getting the last two of:

CDT
Grij
Taylor
Sharp
Cummings
Robey
Schubert

 

[eaglevision]

Pick 34 hearing we have interest in two WA boys
Sam Swadling
and
Cody Curtin

If that’s the case we’re obviously not going to match a bid on Williams if it arrives in the first or early second round. Good.

Hopefully just a contingency plan if we can’t trade up but Cody would be a great get at that pick.