List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[twce13]

If that’s the case we’re obviously not going to match a bid on Williams if it arrives in the first or early second round. Good.

Hopefully just a contingency plan if we can’t trade up but Cody would be a great get at that pick.

its why i think we need to go into draft with 6 or 7 spots, i think if someone like c curtin is avilable at pick 34 we need swoop.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Not aimed at you.

But let's just keep adding these semi not quite ruckman pinchitters second fiddle types. Before you know we've got seven of them, and we're nearly there already. And most are not going to make it.

Are we picking him as a ruckman - no
As a KPF - no
As a big bodied centreman (BBC ) they are extremely rare to make it.

So what exactly is his role?

None of our second fiddle types have his attributes though. All our 2nd rucks are plonk in forward pocket and hope he takes a mark every now and then types. We have 3 of them in B.Williams, A.Reid and J.Williams. With how the team is I think Archer Reid should go down back if CDT comes in OR go full time ruck

As for CDT then his role is our own Mark Blicavs id hope. Blicavs is a awesome player and integral to Geelong. If we get a player of his ilk at pick 2 we have done well

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Wow, some real insightful stuff there. If you want to be a fish, you need to have gills. Who would have thought.

So now ask of the draftees we are interested in, do they have all 4?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

its why i think we need to go into draft with 6 or 7 spots, i think if someone like c curtin is avilable at pick 34 we need swoop.

Maths on that makes no sense. Pick 34 is our 4th pick.

I think we also need to do some trade with Gold Coast. Pick 41 + 53 for 36 even before the draft begins so we can end with 5 picks

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

So now ask of the draftees we are interested in, do they have all 4?

Now ask, how many actual AFL players have all 4? Not even Harley Reid has all 4

 

[eaglevision]

have heard that deez are into robey.

i actually think pick 2 (perhaps +34) for 7 and 8 is the most likely scenario if we do want to trade down. ALbeit I suspect we just stay put.

After Duursma, getting the last two of:

CDT
Grij
Taylor
Sharp
Cummings
Robey
Schubert

I’d want to be sure that Sharp or Cumming was available but otherwise I’d be keen.

Taking Robey at 7 after Melbourne take him at 2 would certainly set the cat among the pigeons.

 

[ThePuma #9]

They say you should always take best available when picking at the top end of the draft but that’s when there are clear cut standouts.

Then there are other factors that I think need to be taken into account.

What game style is your team trying to play and does player A fit into that system?

Where is the game heading and are you making adjustments for that?


First of all I think Duursma is the clear cut standout. In a year where there will be 4 additional top ten selection thanks to F&S and academies this has additional weight to our decision. We are also fortunate that many of his traits will complement the brand of football we are trying to play and also the direction the modern game is heading in.

Lock him in and don’t even consider a trade option unless someone massively overpays.

Pick 2 however is an interesting dilemma to have. Like many others I had gone cold on CDT due to his height and where the modern game is heading with rule changes and such.

200cm ruckman expected to impact the ball in the air is problematic however if he has indeed grown as his teammate has suggested then I feel we almost need to lock him in too.

The modern game has become less reliant on ruckman year after year.

Next year we are just throwing the ball up so no longer will you need to track your jump. The AFL has also forewarned it wants to eliminate the wrestling in the ruck and wants to see a contest in the air. It will be just as important for the ruckman to be able to impact the contest once the ball comes to ground as it will be to win the tap out.

This is where CDT will shine. Clean hands, good in link up passages of play and has a big tank to get to contests all over the ground.


With the AFL now removing the sub rule but keeping the rotations the same I feel we will see more clubs play the extra tall they couldn’t before. CDT could be the type of player you could use to exploit that weakness.

If he has grown to 204cn this year then he’s no longer undersized and his unique skills set can be used to exploit the modern game.

We’ll just have to try and take another mid with 13 but one of Sharp, Cumming, Greeves or Adinsall will be available or worst case Farrow.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Pick 34 hearing we have interest in two WA boys
Sam Swadling
and
Cody Curtin

Hopefully we do know the inside story there.

Did read a post or two saying it was understood why he has dropped off in 2025 and it isnt a long term issue. They expect him to have recovered by 2026.

Mild OP?

Mild glandular fever?

Growing pains.........?

If the Eagles rate him around the mid 30s .... 40s I'll trust our call. We do know how to land decent talls from WA, as we should.

Fred might have had a bit of a down year as you put it but don't forget he still made All Australian at the U-18 Championships.

I'm very open to trading down 13 (now that moving 13 up seems to have limited options and assuming don't do 2 and 13 for 5 and 6 type deal), to two picks that enable us to get Curtin and Fred, while still allowing us to get out NGA/Father Son kids.

Think both are very very capable of being good AFL players and adding much needed depth, and are currently both seriously undervalued in projections.

I'd happily delist Barnett to open another list spot to do it.

13 and 34 for Essendon's 21 and 27 allows Essendon to get another pick in before their academy kids and gives them some points, while keeping 41, 53, and 58 for matching purposes.

Or 13 and 41 for Norths 25 and 26 would do the same trick.

 

[Farmer Lister]

So if we take Duursma and CDT at 1 and 2, who is everyone taking at 13? Who's the best pure mid likely to be available at that pick?

 

[noobermensch]

Who would you expect/hope Essendon pick at 5,6 if they hold them?

We're a bit like you guys in that our list has a lot of holes in it and we need a lot.

Personally, I feel our two greatest needs from a game style perspective are a more attacking/damaging mid/forward and assistance with our transition ball movement out of defence. We might also look at more depth with tall forwards.

Having said that, I'd be keen on Dyson Sharp if he's available. He doesnt exactly fit those needs I described, but we're desperate for onfield leadership which he would bring. We need a culture changer, someone to take control of the new generation of kids coming through and set standards.

For the damaging mid/forward the obvious options are Robey and Cumming. I don't have an especially strong preference for one or the other. For the rebounding defender its Lindsay or Farrow, but I'd also be fine with going for Oskar Taylor with one of our early 20s picks.

I'm sure we'll also look at guys like Grlj and Xavier Taylor - plenty of essendon fans are keen on Xavier.

This illustrates my point though - outside of pick 1 the draft opens right up. Any of the guys I've mentioned could be taken at any pick inside the top 10. There's not a huge reason from a value perspective to trade up, and we need to fill so many holes that I doubt we'd sacrifice a top 10 pick just to target a particular prospect. That's the kind of choice that a club would make if they have one glaring hole in an otherwise strong list.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

We're a bit like you guys in that our list has a lot of holes in it and we need a lot.

Personally, I feel our two greatest needs from a game style perspective are a more attacking/damaging mid/forward and assistance with our transition ball movement out of defence. We might also look at more depth with tall forwards.

Having said that, I'd be keen on Dyson Sharp if he's available. He doesnt exactly fit those needs I described, but we're desperate for onfield leadership which he would bring. We need a culture changer, someone to take control of the new generation of kids coming through and set standards.

For the damaging mid/forward the obvious options are Robey and Cumming. I don't have an especially strong preference for one or the other. For the rebounding defender its Lindsay or Farrow, but I'd also be fine with going for Oskar Taylor with one of our early 20s picks.

I'm sure we'll also look at guys like Grlj and Xavier Taylor - plenty of essendon fans are keen on Xavier.

This illustrates my point though - outside of pick 1 the draft opens right up. Any of the guys I've mentioned could be taken at any pick inside the top 10. There's not a huge reason from a value perspective to trade up, and we need to fill so many holes that I doubt we'd sacrifice a top 10 pick just to target a particular prospect. That's the kind of choice that a club would make if they have one glaring hole in an otherwise strong list.

How would you feel about 13 and 34 for Essendon's 21 and 27 allows you to get another pick in before their academy kids and gives you some points. Assuming we didn't do the 2 and 13 for 5 and 6.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

So if we take Duursma and CDT at 1 and 2, who is everyone taking at 13? Who's the best pure mid likely to be available at that pick?

No-one

 

[Carbine Chaos]

How would you feel about 13 and 34 for Essendon's 21 and 27 allows you to get another pick in before their academy kids and gives you some points. Assuming we didn't do the 2 and 13 for 5 and 6.

Why would we do that?

 

[ChasingFlags25]

Surely this could be a consideration?

Duursma (1), Robey (2), Rodriguez (13)...Can not believe the lack of interest in Robey. He will be a gun

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Why would we do that?

I'm very open to trading down 13 (now that moving 13 up seems to have limited options and assuming don't do 2 and 13 for 5 and 6 type deal), to two picks that enable us to get Curtin and Fred, while still allowing us to get out NGA/Father Son kids.

Think both are very very capable of being good AFL players and adding much needed depth, and are currently both seriously undervalued in projections.

I'd happily delist Barnett to open another list spot to do it.

13 and 34 for Essendon's 21 and 27 allows Essendon to get another pick in before their academy kids and gives them some points, while keeping 41, 53, and 58 for matching purposes.

Or 13 and 41 for Norths 25 and 26 would do the same trick.

 

[noobermensch]

How would you feel about 13 and 34 for Essendon's 21 and 27 allows you to get another pick in before their academy kids and gives you some points. Assuming we didn't do the 2 and 13 for 5 and 6.

I ran the numbers a bit on this the other day. If we assume Uwland, Patterson, Annable and Dean all go before 13, and (I believe) the likely scenario that the Blues trade out of 9 and 11 to move up, move back, move into 2026 or a combination of those options... then we end up with this:

13 moves out 4 to 17. 21 moves out 4 and in 3 to 22. 27 moves out 4 and in 5 to 26.

So it would end up being 17 for 22 and 26. We might do that in order to try and get another pick in before a Sweid bid... but I suspect we'll be working the phones and hoping to get a bit higher up into those Carlton picks. There's also a chance, given the number of list spots we've opened up, that we just let it ride use all five picks and hope that Sweid slides a bit.

 

[kranky al]

Appreciate the input noobermensch, always welcome on this board. 2,13 for 5,6 is really the only deal I can see both teams potentially going for. The price WCE would set for Duursma (1) is not something I’d expect Essendon to pay.

Rosa/ROB would have to have a particular interest in CDT or a specific mid to want to pay the price to get ahead of Richmond.

I’d expect the Blues to use 9 or 11 to get another F1, then the other pick to get points for Dean and Ison.

Historically Melbourne have shown they are prepared to move up the order as high as they can get, there might be some movement there.

Who would you expect/hope Essendon pick at 5,6 if they hold them?

What the Hird have selected recently ….

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Now ask, how many actual AFL players have all 4? Not even Harley Reid has all 4

 

[bluengold89]

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What the Hird have selected recently ….

Looks to me like our best bet is to get into pick swap discussions with Essendon to see who they're interested in, and then not take any of those players.

 

[eaglevision]

We're a bit like you guys in that our list has a lot of holes in it and we need a lot.

Personally, I feel our two greatest needs from a game style perspective are a more attacking/damaging mid/forward and assistance with our transition ball movement out of defence. We might also look at more depth with tall forwards.

Having said that, I'd be keen on Dyson Sharp if he's available. He doesnt exactly fit those needs I described, but we're desperate for onfield leadership which he would bring. We need a culture changer, someone to take control of the new generation of kids coming through and set standards.

For the damaging mid/forward the obvious options are Robey and Cumming. I don't have an especially strong preference for one or the other. For the rebounding defender its Lindsay or Farrow, but I'd also be fine with going for Oskar Taylor with one of our early 20s picks.

I'm sure we'll also look at guys like Grlj and Xavier Taylor - plenty of essendon fans are keen on Xavier.

This illustrates my point though - outside of pick 1 the draft opens right up. Any of the guys I've mentioned could be taken at any pick inside the top 10. There's not a huge reason from a value perspective to trade up, and we need to fill so many holes that I doubt we'd sacrifice a top 10 pick just to target a particular prospect. That's the kind of choice that a club would make if they have one glaring hole in an otherwise strong list.

Well said. I’m big on Sharp for the same reasons except we also don’t have that contested extractor and distributor.

Any high pick trade involving us is likely to be limited to pick 2, the price for Duursma is unlikely to be be paid, especially with such a strong looking top end next year in regard to F1s.

Realistically it would take Bombers or Demons ranking someone as a very clear #2 for a trade to be done, outside of that there’s no team with both the resources and interest in trading.

I’d love to give Lual a chance at WCE, seems very premature to delist him after his initial contract. Was there a behavioural concern or did Scott just not see a role for in the direction he wanted to take the team? Whilst not a great kick I thought his run and carry in particular would assist in the transition out of defence which you mentioned earlier.

Also I’m sure I speak for many in thanking you for your media contributions to the board again this year. For the avid draft watchers it’s a fantastic resource but also for the casual observers who like to get an idea of a player’s game style, it’s much appreciated.

 

[noobermensch]

I’d love to give Lual a chance at WCE, seems very premature to delist him after his initial contract. Was there a behavioural concern or did Scott just not see a role for in the direction he wanted to take the team? Whilst not a great kick I thought his run and carry in particular would assist in the transition out of defence which you mentioned earlier.

Definitely not a behavioural concern. He's a fantastic kid. Just quite raw in his skills and understanding of the game. I also wouldn't have delisted him myself, I think he deserved another year, but the coaches will have seen him a lot more closely than me and I guess they didn't feel he would get there.

I reckon he'll get another look at it, and I hope he does. Even if he has to drop back to a state league for a year or two.

 

[eaglevision]

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What the Hird have selected recently ….

Pretty grim reading. Reid is an absolute gun but like Gumbleton his body has let him down. Cox has had his fair share too. Hobbs and Tsatas the game has moved in a different direction at the wrong time. Perkins I have zero sympathy for after his draft tampering, wouldn’t wish injury on him but I’m not disappointed his career has stagnated.

Loved the Caddy and Kako picks, both will develop into A graders IMO.

 

[garlic munchers]

Pretty grim reading. Reid is an absolute gun but like Gumbleton his body has let him down. Cox has had his fair share too. Hobbs and Tsatas the game has moved in a different direction at the wrong time. Perkins I have zero sympathy for after his draft tampering, wouldn’t wish injury on him but I’m not disappointed his career has stagnated.

Loved the Caddy and Kako picks, both will develop into A graders IMO.

Pretty much every good side has a year where it nails 3 picks and gets the foundation set.

I do think 2025 will be our "2011" year and we will all look back fondly at an otherwise shitty time in our history.

P.S. Kako will be a very solid B grader at best, Caddy... yes he's absolutely going to be an A grader.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

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What the Hird have selected recently ….

Shows how that range around pick ~10 can be a crapshoot when the obvious talent is off the board.

 

[Keys]

I'm very open to trading down 13 (now that moving 13 up seems to have limited options and assuming don't do 2 and 13 for 5 and 6 type deal), to two picks that enable us to get Curtin and Fred, while still allowing us to get out NGA/Father Son kids.

Think both are very very capable of being good AFL players and adding much needed depth, and are currently both seriously undervalued in projections.

I'd happily delist Barnett to open another list spot to do it.

13 and 34 for Essendon's 21 and 27 allows Essendon to get another pick in before their academy kids and gives them some points, while keeping 41, 53, and 58 for matching purposes.

Or 13 and 41 for Norths 25 and 26 would do the same trick.

In his post trade week interviews, Clarke said one of their objectives was to get a third pick inside the top 15 which they achieved as part of the Starcevich trade - taking out the priority pick that was effectively for Starcevich we gave up what was then 16 and 23 for 23,34 and 52

I think there’s little doubt we intend to use that pick and will try to move it further up the order if possible although that looks unlikely due to the limited options

What we do with our later picks is less certain although with only 5 main list spots open (per Clarke) the picks we have (34,41,53,58) is two too many - if those picks aren’t consolidated or traded into 2026 the two late R3 picks will vanish into the ether

Looking through mocks and the picks lost due to bid matching for the Queensland clubs picks 34 and 41 move up to 30 and 37 areas which would be enough points to match a bid at pick 18 onwards.

Or we could trade 34 and 41 now to Gold Coast for pick 29 which would give them an extra 101 points

Where our NGA players and Banfield fit in to all this I’ve no idea. If we get to our 4th pick overall without having to match a bid, do we use it on someone like Curtin, Swadling, Rodriguez or another interstate option

Do we expect bids to come? Williams seems likely to have one at some point, but with Twomey suggesting only 44-57 picks likely to be used could Williams be the only one to attract a bid

Trade up for that Gold Coast pick (29) to use as a fourth draft selection and hold 53 to match a late bid on Williams. Then add Banfield (Cat A) and Evans (Cat B) as rookies post draft

That’s 7 spots filled, leaving two remaining to add mature aged players to the rookie list

Delisting Livingstone would open up another list spot on the rookie list which could be used to list Walley or add another player via the RD or as a SSP signing