List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[jdisc]

why are we melting about pick 13, I thought this draft was absolute dog shit and we may as well not even turn up on the night?

 

[pantskyle]

Is CDT still a smoke screen? Or are you assuming since we don't have offers for 1 or 2 you think he is no longer a smoke screen...

Or have you gotten word he is no longer a smoke screen?

It was a carrot dangled with no biters. The club is very likely to just take the two best talents at 1 and 2, however I would also expect one or two bids as well.

 

[ep2018]

I think a team like Adelaide will try and trade up for Sharp if he is still on the board pick 10+ onwards.

 

[Couchpotato]

Spitballing on how Sharp might get to our pick 13. This is ignoring northern academy bids

1. West Coast- Willem Duursma
2. West Coast- Cooper Duff-Tytler
3. Richmond- Sullivan Robey
4. Richmond- Sam Grlj
5. Essendon- Sam Cumming
6. Essendon- Aidan Schubert
7. Melbourne- Xavier Taylor
8. Melbourne- Mitch Marsh
9. Carlton- Harry Dean (used on bid match)
10. Hawthorn- Oliver Greeves
11. Carlton- moved back as part of Dean bid match
12. GWS - Lachy Dovaston
13. West Coast- Dyson Sharp

* Jacob Farrow and Josh Lindsay could be substituted as a player picked before 13
** Carlton’s strategy with picks 9 and 11 will have an impact. If they hold both picks in the draft, their best strategy is to match with pick 9 and have pick 11 slide back 3-4 spots. Alternatively, they could trade one for a future R1 in which case we’d be the best placed team points wise to trade up using 13,34 and a F3 or 41

Not saying that’s how it will play out, only that for Sharp to slide the above needs to happen. Make up your own minds as to how likely that is

With Worpel leaving do the hawks look at Sharp at 10?

 

[bradz]

My positive feelings about Robey are fading. Watched more highlights last night. He seems to make alot of clangers.

Cumming and Sharp just look like they would be a 150 game pairing in the midfield. They seem to complement eachother really well.

How do we ideally get Duursma (dynamic - I see alot of Bontempeli), Sharp (first touch) and Cumming (well balanced). This is my dream for the first round.

Take Duursma at 1.

What trade could be realistically do with Pick 2 to be able to get both Sharp and Cumming.

Would 2 and 13 get 5 and 6 from Essendon? Probably not, but could we somehow get 9 from Carlton with 13 and ????. Id say that 2 and 9 would get 5 and 6. They can likely get Robey (who I think they would love). We almost certainly be able to get Sharp and Cumming with that hand.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Spitballing on how Sharp might get to our pick 13. This is ignoring northern academy bids

1. West Coast- Willem Duursma
2. West Coast- Cooper Duff-Tytler
3. Richmond- Sullivan Robey
4. Richmond- Sam Grlj
5. Essendon- Sam Cumming
6. Essendon- Aidan Schubert
7. Melbourne- Xavier Taylor
8. Melbourne- Mitch Marsh
9. Carlton- Harry Dean (used on bid match)
10. Hawthorn- Oliver Greeves
11. Carlton- moved back as part of Dean bid match
12. GWS - Lachy Dovaston
13. West Coast- Dyson Sharp

* Jacob Farrow and Josh Lindsay could be substituted as a player picked before 13
** Carlton’s strategy with picks 9 and 11 will have an impact. If they hold both picks in the draft, their best strategy is to match with pick 9 and have pick 11 slide back 3-4 spots. Alternatively, they could trade one for a future R1 in which case we’d be the best placed team points wise to trade up using 13,34 and a F3 or 41

Not saying that’s how it will play out, only that for Sharp to slide the above needs to happen. Make up your own minds as to how likely that is

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

With Worpel leaving do the hawks look at Sharp at 10?

The opposite. Hawks dont want that style of player in their 22 it seems

 

[bzparkes]

It was a carrot dangled with no biters. The club is very likely to just take the two best talents at 1 and 2, however I would also expect one or two bids as well.

Any interest in Robey?

 

[bzparkes]

My positive feelings about Robey are fading. Watched more highlights last night. He seems to make alot of clangers.

That's the trade off with players like that, because they are very aggressive with how they play the game.

Dangerfield, for example. Makes a ton of clangers but wins games off his own boot.

 

[random260]

Never thought the club would be so stupid to pass on Sharp but here I am. I now have to grill the other talents.

Robby, the “explosive” midfielder who completely shit himself at the combine — God-awful in both endurance and speed testing? Are you serious? He’s played a total of four decent games… against literal kids. He also performed god awful at the NATIONAL CHAMPS

Cummings, supposedly the best talent out of SA, had one good SANFL game against men — one. And he was injured for half the bloody year. He also performed god awful at the NATIONAL CHAMPS

Then there’s CDT — the so-called ruckman standing at 201cm. Even his own fanboys were praying he’d hit 203cm just so they could justify taking him. Only one good vfl games as. FOWARD. He also performed god awful at the NATIONAL CHAMPS.


Let's be real here-
Then you have sharp. The best resume since rowell. With all the expectations on him winning the LARKE Medal. He came in as a heavy favourite and he did it. He also tested top 8 in agility in u16. Played against men ONLY and when he played against kids he completely recked them averaging 30 possesion.

The only thing Sharp hasn't so called won is the combine....

 

[mitchzz]

Between Robby, Cummings, Sharpe and Cooper Duff-Tyler there are a lot of good options for us to pair with Dursma

Edit: forgot about Sam Grill

 

[bzparkes]

Robby, the “explosive” midfielder who completely shit himself at the combine — God-awful in both endurance and speed testing? Are you serious? He’s played a total of four decent games… against literal kids.

It's Robey and he had a broken collarbone when testing.

His end to the season was also superior to pretty much every other underage player. He's a late bolter because he grew 20cm this year.

 

[random260]

It's Robey and he had a broken collarbone when testing.

His end to the season was also superior to pretty much every other underage player. He's a late bolter because he grew 20cm this year.

Would have. Could have. Should have.

Just like Cummings was the best talent had he not been injured.

Just like duursma would have the won the larke if Sharp wasn't there.

People are making alot of excuses trying to justify themselves

 

[bzparkes]

Would have. Could have. Should have.

Just like Cummings was the best talent had he not been injured.

Just like duursma would have the won the larke if Sharp wasn't there

it doesn't matter.

Plenty of B-grade plodders have won the Larke medal. They win it usually because their attributes stand out against kids their own age but go on to be just average against many of those same kids who are bigger, faster & stronger than them when they fill out.

I understand you've got a stiffy for Sharp but he's not a top 2 talent.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

My positive feelings about Robey are fading. Watched more highlights last night. He seems to make alot of clangers.

Cumming and Sharp just look like they would be a 150 game pairing in the midfield. They seem to complement eachother really well.

How do we ideally get Duursma (dynamic - I see alot of Bontempeli), Sharp (first touch) and Cumming (well balanced). This is my dream for the first round.

Take Duursma at 1.

What trade could be realistically do with Pick 2 to be able to get both Sharp and Cumming.

Would 2 and 13 get 5 and 6 from Essendon? Probably not, but could we somehow get 9 from Carlton with 13 and ????. Id say that 2 and 9 would get 5 and 6. They can likely get Robey (who I think they would love). We almost certainly be able to get Sharp and Cumming with that hand.

The one thing that has changed since Robeys rise is this.

If we took duursma with 1 then in the live draft room, the bombers are looking at not getting access to CDT and Robey

We could take either with 2 and tigers will definately take the other.

Dons trading up to 2 or 3 gives them access to at least one of them.

And both the players are desperate to play for the dons.

I still think they'll come for pick 2 and 13 for 5 6 to get one of them, and take the slide to 13

 

[random260]

it doesn't matter.

Plenty of B-grade plodders have won the Larke medal. They win it usually because their attributes stand out against kids their own age but go on to be just average against many of those same kids who are bigger, faster & stronger than them when they fill out.

I understand you've got a stiffy for Sharp but he's not a top 2 talent.

Do plenty of B grade plodders win the U16 medallist AND u18. Do B grade plodders do well against men in draft years

Bigger and stronger? SHARP HAS only played against men.


Let's talk about CDT when he played in lower leagues against children he did okay. When he played against national champs his own level he shat himself. Maybe its because he was taller and quick and endurance it worked against kids but not bigger stronger faster.

Sharp also grew. According to a bigfooty ITK from Richmond board he's 192cm

 

[Wooshaaaa]

it doesn't matter.

Plenty of B-grade plodders have won the Larke medal. They win it usually because their attributes stand out against kids their own age but go on to be just average against many of those same kids who are bigger, faster & stronger than them when they fill out.

I understand you've got a stiffy for Sharp but he's not a top 2 talent.

Plodders you say


24 lombard Langford
23 sanders
22 ashcroft
19 Robertson
18 Walsh
17 Allen
16 Graham
14 petracca
13 sheed
12 cog
11 Whitfield
10 bennel
09 swallow
08 watts
07 Morton
06 Hawkins
05 murphy

 

[bzparkes]

Do plenty of B grade plodders win the U16 medallist AND u18. Do B grade plodders do well against men in draft years

Bigger and stronger? SHARP HAS only played against men.

Recruiters don't look at what they can do currently when picking at the pointy end, they just to predict what they will do when they are older.

I've watched more than a few 16yo's dominate state league in Tassie growing up, only to not go on to get drafted.

Whether you like it or not, Robey is indeed bigger and stronger than Sharp and is far better as an offensive weapon.

I really like Sharp and would be happy to take him, even if we judged him good enough for pick 2, but ultimately clubs aren't going to take his type that high in the draft anymore, for better or for worse.

Would be a massive win if he was still available at 13 though.

Ryley Sanders won the Larke medal in 2023. Would you rather him or Harley?

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Would have. Could have. Should have.

Just like Cummings was the best talent had he not been injured.

Just like duursma would have the won the larke if Sharp wasn't there.

People are making alot of excuses trying to justify themselves

There is a large degree of projection involved in the AFL draft, figuring out which 17 year olds have peaked physically and have been dominating similar-aged kids based on better physical traits and a more mature game style, and which kids still have significant physical growth in them and have rough edges that can be refined in the environment of a professional football club. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on any of these kids but the art of drafting is not to simply choose whoever is the most productive player at age 17.

 

[bzparkes]

Plodders you say


24 lombard Langford
23 sanders
22 ashcroft
19 Robertson
18 Walsh
17 Allen
16 Graham
14 petracca
13 sheed
12 cog
11 Whitfield
10 bennel
09 swallow
08 watts
07 Morton
06 Hawkins
05 murphy

24 lombard Langford - too early
23 sanders - plodder
22 ashcroft - gun
19 Robertson - plodder
18 Walsh - gun but becoming a plodder due to injuries
17 Allen - Plenty on here calling him a plodder over the years
16 Graham - plodder
14 petracca - Gun
13 sheed - plodder
12 cog - good player but wrecked by injuries
11 Whitfield - Ok but a HB plodder
10 bennel - talented but ended up a plodder
09 swallow - Pick 1, solid career but a plodder
08 watts - plodder
07 Morton - plodder
06 Hawkins - gun
05 murphy - 300 games of total plodding

So, 3 certified guns, some perma-injured players who ended up mediocre plodders because of it and a bunch of B-grade plodders.

Basically proved my point for me that the Larke medal is an irrelevant measure on how good a player will be over their career, or how elite they project.

 

[plays tall 1]

The crop has also changed since then, is anyone even rating Sharp in the top five talents now? No one had Robey as a top five chance either. I said it ages ago, the word out of SA was Sharp by the end of the year would not be the top rated SA talent, if Cumming didn't get injured he'd be rated much higher as well.

Time will tell.

Twomey said he’s one of 6 players in the mix for the Bombers. Surely Melbourne would look seriously at Sharp.

 

[Tugga27]

24 lombard Langford - too early
23 sanders - plodder
22 ashcroft - gun
19 Robertson - plodder
18 Walsh - gun but becoming a plodder due to injuries
17 Allen - Plenty on here calling him a plodder over the years
16 Graham - plodder
14 petracca - Gun
13 sheed - plodder
12 cog - good player but wrecked by injuries
11 Whitfield - Ok but a HB plodder
10 bennel - talented but ended up a plodder
09 swallow - Pick 1, solid career but a plodder
08 watts - plodder
07 Morton - plodder
06 Hawkins - gun
05 murphy - 300 games of total plodding

So, 3 certified guns, some perma-injured players who ended up mediocre plodders because of it and a bunch of B-grade plodders.

Basically proved my point for me that the Larke medal is an irrelevant measure on how good a player will be over their career, or how elite they project.

Remember, the poster you're debating with wanted us to sell the farm for Dev Roberston 2 years ago and make him captain.

 

[EagleEgo]

Spitballing on how Sharp might get to our pick 13. This is ignoring northern academy bids

1. West Coast- Willem Duursma
2. West Coast- Cooper Duff-Tytler
3. Richmond- Sullivan Robey
4. Richmond- Sam Grlj
5. Essendon- Sam Cumming
6. Essendon- Aidan Schubert
7. Melbourne- Xavier Taylor
8. Melbourne- Mitch Marsh
9. Carlton- Harry Dean (used on bid match)
10. Hawthorn- Oliver Greeves
11. Carlton- moved back as part of Dean bid match
12. GWS - Lachy Dovaston
13. West Coast- Dyson Sharp

* Jacob Farrow and Josh Lindsay could be substituted as a player picked before 13
** Carlton’s strategy with picks 9 and 11 will have an impact. If they hold both picks in the draft, their best strategy is to match with pick 9 and have pick 11 slide back 3-4 spots. Alternatively, they could trade one for a future R1 in which case we’d be the best placed team points wise to trade up using 13,34 and a F3 or 41

Not saying that’s how it will play out, only that for Sharp to slide the above needs to happen. Make up your own minds as to how likely that is

Looking at the distribution of the first 13 picks, I think a G7 meeting should be organised with these 7 clubs to optimise the value of their picks.
If we have 2 or 3 draftees of similar values that we are targeting at pick 2, then we might be able to do a little bit of "give" at pick 2 to benefit our pick 13 with a better "take".
The domino effect of picking different players at our pick 2 will be different and we probably can control this domino effect by having this G7 meeting.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Plodders you say


24 lombard Langford
23 sanders
22 ashcroft
19 Robertson
18 Walsh
17 Allen
16 Graham
14 petracca
13 sheed
12 cog
11 Whitfield
10 bennel
09 swallow
08 watts
07 Morton
06 Hawkins
05 murphy

There are a lot of good players on that list, but I don't particularly want to end up with Cale Morton, Dom Sheed, Jack Graham, Harley Bennell or Dev Robertson when drafting with the #2 overall pick. Or to extend it back further, the winners from 2001-04 were Sam Power/Steven Armstrong, Byron Schammer, Kepler Bradley and Jesse Smith.

 

[pantskyle]

Any interest in Robey?

Not strong.