List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

Spoiler

Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)

Rookie Me Central 2025 Draft Guide

2025 AFL Draft Guide

online.fliphtml5.com

Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

Spoiler

Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

Spoiler

 

[Barrybran]

2 and 13 for 5 and 6 is a reasonably fair trade, especially if shuffle later picks for point for Essendon.

View attachment 2463859

They only do it if they have a hard on for CDT or Robey though as they know neither of them are falling to 5.

It's a fair trade on paper but why would Essendon make that trade?

 

[eaglevision]

We're snookered because who in their right mind is going to give up 3 + 4, 5 + 6 or 7 + 8 for pick 2?

I'm looking at Carlton's pick 9 as potentially a circuit breaker. 2 + 9 for 5, 6 and parts would be a lot more palatable if I'm an Essendon fan. But then why would Carlton do that? What's in it for them?

It comes back to us being snookered.

We all felt 2,13 for 5,6 was fair but perhaps it is us that needs to sweeten it. If our public Dean interest plays out the way we want it to and we cut a deal with Carlton of 13, 34 for 9 then we could come to the table with 2,9 for 5,6 at the cost of pick 34.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

1 duursma
2 cumming.

CDT remains on the board. Tigers might but will likely go Robey grjl/taylor

Dons will take CDT and grjl/Taylor/sharp

Then dees will take Shubert no doubt and one of sharp/grjl/farrow/Lindsay

Trade up form 13 for blues pick 9 take sharp/dovaston.

Duursma allow Tmac into the midfield more and eventually he would also roll through.

Cumming best balanced mid. Tigers or dons will take him otherwise...mhe ain't sliding

Sharp if he slides bonus or dovaston is Cripps immediate replacement.

Sharp ain't sliding past both Essendon and Melbourne.

Why would you take Cumming at 2? If you want to do that you need to trade down. Even if you are only picking up a second rounder out of it.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

It's a fair trade on paper but why would Essendon make that trade?

I literally answered that in the post you quoted......

 

[Barrybran]

I literally answered that in the post you quoted......

They can achieve that without giving up two picks though

 

[Happy Mastenator]

They can achieve that without giving up two picks though

What the are you talking about?

They don't get CDT or Robey even if we take someone else at 2. Tigers take both in a heartbeat.

They also get two picks when giving up two....

 

[FootyOutlier]

They will keep it simple and just go Duursma and Robey at 1 and 2. **** around with Carlton to trade for their pick 9 and then use that to pick who ever GWS was going to pick.

 

[Elite Pete]

Sharp ain't sliding past both Essendon and Melbourne.

Why would you take Cumming at 2? If you want to do that you need to trade down. Even if you are only picking up a second rounder out of it.

Sharp seems like a weird fit for the Dees. Leg speed would be an issue Steele, Viney and Langford ain’t the quickest player.

 

[bzparkes]

Sharp seems like a weird fit for the Dees. Leg speed would be an issue Steele, Viney and Langford ain’t the quickest player.

Depends if they're looking to replace Oliver with him or not. Steele and Viney are on their last legs but you do have a point regarding Langford. Would leave them a bit one-paced.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Sharp seems like a weird fit for the Dees. Leg speed would be an issue Steele, Viney and Langford ain’t the quickest player.

You don't draft Sharp worrying about Steele and Viney. Viney maybe has two years left, Steele maybe three.

 

[Keys]

CDT vs Sharp/Cumming (or Robey)

Best available vs needs

On rankings drafting either Sharp or Cummings at pick 2 would be a slight reach especially if pantskyle ‘s recruiting mate is right about Sharp being a potential slider

Unfortunately the 2 best mids fall between our picks with Farrow, Lindsay and Dovaston being the best options likely to fall to our 3rd pick

What would Richmond or Essendon give up for a guaranteed crack at CDT or Robey?

Richmond might give 3 and their F2 if they think we are going to trade 2 to Essendon

Pick 5,27 (or 21) and their F2 from Essendon for pick 2 and 34 with that pick 27 maybe helping us upgrading 13 to 9

The other option is Melbourne who have a history of trading up and might consider a 7,8 for 2,13 swap - would give us a chance at one of Sharp/Cumming unless Essendon take both which is the risk with that trade

Imo, the best option is to see what Essendon give up to move from 5 to 2, forget about getting 6 as well - we’d get Sharp or Cumming plus change for CDT

Depends on how highly the club rate Duff-Tytler I guess

 

[Obeanie1]

In lower grades, sure. Once in a blue moon in league footy that happens.

When it occurs regularly, it's due to a superior gameplan/matchup. There should be no shame attached to Joe the Goose goals, they're an integral part of all high volume scoring sides. Scoring easily is a feature, not a bug.

Easy goals out the back come from hard running and spread down the ground.

You don't run hard you don't get the opportunities.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

The Vol-Kaneo and Sam Edmund had Duursma on the show this morning.

https://dcs-spotify.megaphone.fm/NTETP9213629710.mp3?key=db129ecd0d35a87bf7097aad662cbc52&request_event_id=4ac5f4cb-4e32-45bf-a25a-3a40fb191d4c&session_id=4ac5f4cb-4e32-45bf-a25a-3a40fb191d4c&timetoken=1761270939_2C7B6D973E7317B0B78300B4B0432FFC

Compares his game to the Bont, knows the importance of getting in all the work you can this time of year to launch a pre-season, wants to get down to the club he's drafted to and get cracking right away, isn't fussed about going anywhere to play since he's a country boy and will need to leave anyway.

 

[Obeanie1]

It's a fair trade on paper but why would Essendon make that trade?

Because they came out and said they are keen to move up the board.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Pissed that we couldn't get one of GC's picks after they both went to Melbourne.
If we end up taking Duursma & CDT at 1 & 2, we aren't taking a top line mid.

 

[pantskyle]

The Vol-Kaneo and Sam Edmund had Duursma on the show this morning.

https://dcs-spotify.megaphone.fm/NTETP9213629710.mp3?key=db129ecd0d35a87bf7097aad662cbc52&request_event_id=4ac5f4cb-4e32-45bf-a25a-3a40fb191d4c&session_id=4ac5f4cb-4e32-45bf-a25a-3a40fb191d4c&timetoken=1761270939_2C7B6D973E7317B0B78300B4B0432FFC

Compares his game to the Bont, knows the importance of getting in all the work you can this time of year to launch a pre-season, wants to get down to the club he's drafted to and get cracking right away, isn't fussed about going anywhere to play since he's a country boy and will need to leave anyway.

Will look good in the wings.

 

[CountryLad]

We all felt 2,13 for 5,6 was fair but perhaps it is us that needs to sweeten it. If our public Dean interest plays out the way we want it to and we cut a deal with Carlton of 13, 34 for 9 then we could come to the table with 2,9 for 5,6 at the cost of pick 34.

The Blues will call our bluff. It’s a move of desperation leaking that story that we simply don’t have the picks to move up or clubs aren’t willing to move down. They have played us twice in the last two drafts.

We should have played harder on Chesser, didn’t even make Carlton sweet, was it a fair deal? Possibly but it should have been done late in trade week rather than in the middle. We could have then found a way to get to pick 9.

 

[Keys]

CDT vs Sharp/Cumming (or Robey)

Best available vs needs

On rankings drafting either Sharp or Cummings at pick 2 would be a slight reach especially if pantskyle ‘s recruiting mate is right about Sharp being a potential slider

Unfortunately the 2 best mids fall between our picks with Farrow, Lindsay and Dovaston being the best options likely to fall to our 3rd pick

What would Richmond or Essendon give up for a guaranteed crack at CDT or Robey?

Richmond might give 3 and their F2 if they think we are going to trade 2 to Essendon

Pick 5,27 (or 21) and their F2 from Essendon for pick 2 and 34 with that pick 27 maybe helping us upgrading 13 to 9

The other option is Melbourne who have a history of trading up and might consider a 7,8 for 2,13 swap - would give us a chance at one of Sharp/Cumming unless Essendon take both which is the risk with that trade

Imo, the best option is to see what Essendon give up to move from 5 to 2, forget about getting 6 as well - we’d get Sharp or Cumming plus change for CDT

Depends on how highly the club rate Duff-Tytler I guess

For anyone asking why Essendon would do this trade, pick 27 likely gets swallowed in a match for one of their NGA players so sliding back from 27 to 34 doesn’t really hurt them at all. So all they’re doing is handing over their F2 to move from 5 to 2 which gives them a choice between CDT or Robey, neither of whom will be their at 5

With pick 6 they still have one of Sharp/Cumming available or Schubert as an option if they draft Robey

We potentially walk away with a draft of Duursma, Sharp/Cumming and perhaps Dovaston- I don’t know how anyone would be unhappy with that. (We’d also have Essendon’s F2 in our back pocket)

 

[CountryLad]

Sharp ain't sliding past both Essendon and Melbourne.

Why would you take Cumming at 2? If you want to do that you need to trade down. Even if you are only picking up a second rounder out of it.

I think that’s the case for both Cumming and Sharp. Question is are any clubs willing to move up or are they all happy where they are positioned. Maybe we are happy holding pick 2 and taking the second best talent and not pick on need.

 

[eaglevision]

The Blues will call our bluff. It’s a move of desperation leaking that story that we simply don’t have the picks to move up or clubs aren’t willing to move down. They have played us twice in the last two drafts.

We should have played harder on Chesser, didn’t even make Carlton sweet, was it a fair deal? Possibly but it should have been done late in trade week rather than in the middle. We could have then found a way to get to pick 9.

It may be a desperate move and you could be right but I also think the Blues are unlikely to pass on Dean. Him and O’Farrell would be a good pairing to develop under Weitering and not a great message to send to Walker next year as well.

That and sliding back 4 picks for a points increase really isn’t a bad bit of business. They can then keep points farming with Adelaide (16) who may want Phillipou etc

 

[Keys]

The Vol-Kaneo and Sam Edmund had Duursma on the show this morning.

https://dcs-spotify.megaphone.fm/NTETP9213629710.mp3?key=db129ecd0d35a87bf7097aad662cbc52&request_event_id=4ac5f4cb-4e32-45bf-a25a-3a40fb191d4c&session_id=4ac5f4cb-4e32-45bf-a25a-3a40fb191d4c&timetoken=1761270939_2C7B6D973E7317B0B78300B4B0432FFC

Compares his game to the Bont, knows the importance of getting in all the work you can this time of year to launch a pre-season, wants to get down to the club he's drafted to and get cracking right away, isn't fussed about going anywhere to play since he's a country boy and will need to leave anyway.

We’ve even got the #4 locker sitting there vacant for him

Can join Sumich, Kerr and Sheed on the premiership player list on the locker

 

[WCE777]

CDT vs Sharp/Cumming (or Robey)

Best available vs needs

On rankings drafting either Sharp or Cummings at pick 2 would be a slight reach especially if pantskyle ‘s recruiting mate is right about Sharp being a potential slider

Unfortunately the 2 best mids fall between our picks with Farrow, Lindsay and Dovaston being the best options likely to fall to our 3rd pick

What would Richmond or Essendon give up for a guaranteed crack at CDT or Robey?

Richmond might give 3 and their F2 if they think we are going to trade 2 to Essendon

Pick 5,27 (or 21) and their F2 from Essendon for pick 2 and 34 with that pick 27 maybe helping us upgrading 13 to 9

The other option is Melbourne who have a history of trading up and might consider a 7,8 for 2,13 swap - would give us a chance at one of Sharp/Cumming unless Essendon take both which is the risk with that trade

Imo, the best option is to see what Essendon give up to move from 5 to 2, forget about getting 6 as well - we’d get Sharp or Cumming plus change for CDT

Depends on how highly the club rate Duff-Tytler I guess

Agree.
I feel its Duursma who is the number 1 pick, then best available vs needs and our needs are the best midfielders when you have pick 1, 2 , 13.
We will probably not ever have picks 1 & 2 ever again so make the most of it.

Unfortunately as the tear has progressed Duursma has become too hard to ignore(and I was one of them) so we need to pick him even if he is an outside transition player who may make it a balanced mid in time.

Sharp ha been and still is the best inside mid in the draft all year and as midfield is our weakness we need to pick best available talent to what we also need. Anyone who believes Sharp will not make it should go and look at his SANFL Elimination Final playing seniors and come back with why he won't make it imo.

Cumming is the best balanced mid in the draft and has also been this for the whole year.

Robey has risen and come from nowhere and comes with higher risk imo, someone else can get a hard on for Robey and CDT and make an offer that gets them 1 of them which satisfies us.

This should be our strategy with the draft and a I think WC know this and are shaking out what some want and what will be on the table for moving our picks around to our best advantage.
Probably correct that ESS are probably the easiest to move if they have a desire to get in front of RICH for CDT or Robey.
2 & 13 for 5 & 6 if that's where Sharp and Cumming are going to fall is the most logical trade.

 

[random260]

Harvey Langford
Sam Lalor
Riley Sanders

They are all Dyson Sharp wannabees. There is never going to be a more stacked inside mid with elite defensive talent and resume than Dyson, that is a fact.

He is the most decorated inside mid since Rowell and we are saying the most decorated inside mid is a reach at pick 2, okay then.

Just admit you do not think any inside mid is worthy of pick 1 or 2 and be done with it.

Mark my words the club will eventually spend a top 2 pick on an inside mid because of our utter failure to address it. So I will get what I want except it is going to be a Dyson Sharp wannabee with one or more of these:

1. Piss poor endurance (JHF and Lalor and Robby)
2. Poor defensive game (Clay Hall and JHF)
3. Poor attitude
4. Poor frame and height (Tom Gross/Jagga)
5. Poor footy IQ
6. Poor disposing under pressure
7. Poor resume (Robby)
8. Lack of Dual Position

The only other draftees who didn't have those negatives is MATT Freaking ROWELL

 

[Aarick13]

For anyone asking why Essendon would do this trade, pick 27 likely gets swallowed in a match for one of their NGA players so sliding back from 27 to 34 doesn’t really hurt them at all. So all they’re doing is handing over their F2 to move from 5 to 2 which gives them a choice between CDT or Robey, neither of whom will be their at 5

With pick 6 they still have one of Sharp/Cumming available or Schubert as an option if they draft Robey

We potentially walk away with a draft of Duursma, Sharp/Cumming and perhaps Dovaston- I don’t know how anyone would be unhappy with that. (We’d also have Essendon’s F2 in our back pocket)

I think Essendon will trade up for Robey but would be willing to gamble that CDT will be there at 5, unless we take him. I think Richmond will take Robey if available then either Taylor or Grlj, or both if Robey is gone.

 

[ThePuma #9]

I fully expect we will be taking Duursma and CDT with 1 & 2.

Pick 13 is more of an unknown and we should be trying to do all we can to pry pick 9 away from the Blues or at the very least make them burn their two firsts on Dean at pick 4 or 5.

The best result for us if we are taking Duurtler would be

Pick 1 Duursma (WC)
Pick 2 Uwland (GC)
Pick 3 Annable (BRIS)
Pick 4 Patterson (GC)

I've run all the calculations this morning to see how the picks shift after each nomination is matched and this is what it have.



For Pick 2 the Suns will need 2,233 points for Uwland so will lose 15,18 & 24 and gain pick 43 back.

For Pick 3 Lions will need 1,961 points for Annable so would lose after their picks shift around 17, 22, 42 & 50 and would go into next years draft 123 points in deficit.

For Pick 4 the Suns will need 1,766 points. After their picks move around they would need to use 25 ,26 ,33 ,41 & 48 and go into next years draft 107 points in deficit.


Our picks would now be 5, 16, 30 & 36. If we can only take 5 picks to the draft it's a shame because at this point we'd also have access to picks 45 & 50.

There's two ways we can go from here.

Option 1. Bid on Dean at Pick 5. This would cost the Blues 1,616 in points. They'd need to use pick 12 & 14 but would receive pick 27 back.

Option 2. Offer the Blues Pick 16 & 30 for Pick 12 & 46. This would give them an additional 104 points and still allow us to have two picks in the draft to match for Williams.

This would also help out the Blues as now they have picks 15,17,31 & 39. A bid at Pick 6 will cost them 1494 points so they'd use 15 & 17 but they'd also get back pick 35.

The Blues would get Dean and now have picks 29,35 & 38 to make some moves with and we'd be left with Pick 6, 13, 36 & 46.

Take Duff-Tytler at 6, a slider at 13 and still have 36 & 46 to match bids for Williams.


All the above is very clearly in our best interests either way we choose to do it so the question is how serious are we about doing whatever we can to improve our draft hand and as a result our list?