List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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[mattyc75]

Im looking at likely return on investment and how valuable their abilities are.

Sharp- defensively-minded, relatively unspectacular mid is the sort of player clubs can find later in drafts. His theoretical ceiling (Josh Dunkley) is elite, but reaching it requires everything to go right for him in his development, I put it as highly unlikely.
Then for CDT, his mobility, speed, and endurance is far rarer. Even if he’s a bit short for a ruckman, his unique attribute set gives him a higher likelihood of becoming a powerful weapon in his role.

Robey is the exact mould of player clubs value incredibly highly, they are the game winners, the A-grade superstars. I dont think I have to argue why I put Robey above Sharp.

Essentially:
Sharp - safe pick, not rare/unique, unlikely to be top tier elite imo
CDT- riskier pick, but his upside is far superior(imo) to any other player in the draft. Even if he doesnt reach that full potential hes still got weapons that make him a very awkward player to play against.
Robey- Big body impact mid/fwd who can break open a game - handy if Harley is tagged to have another player for opposition to worry about.
Duursma has a safer floor than Sharp imo, as a pure outside player, but his upside is up there with CDT in that he could be anything, nobody is arguing he should be pick 1 however, you did mention him though.

I cant justify pick 2 for Sharp based off this, not when CDT and Robey are available.

As I said before though, I wont melt about it as I would understand the logic if the club decided to go for Sharp.

Im looking at likely return on investment and how valuable their abilities are.

Sharp- defensively-minded, relatively unspectacular mid is the sort of player clubs can find later in drafts. His theoretical ceiling (Josh Dunkley) is elite, but reaching it requires everything to go right for him in his development, I put it as highly unlikely.
Then for CDT, his mobility, speed, and endurance is far rarer. Even if he’s a bit short for a ruckman, his unique attribute set gives him a higher likelihood of becoming a powerful weapon in his role.

Robey is the exact mould of player clubs value incredibly highly, they are the game winners, the A-grade superstars. I dont think I have to argue why I put Robey above Sharp.

Essentially:
Sharp - safe pick, not rare/unique, unlikely to be top tier elite imo
CDT- riskier pick, but his upside is far superior(imo) to any other player in the draft. Even if he doesnt reach that full potential hes still got weapons that make him a very awkward player to play against.
Robey- Big body impact mid/fwd who can break open a game - handy if Harley is tagged to have another player for opposition to worry about.
Duursma has a safer floor than Sharp imo, as a pure outside player, but his upside is up there with CDT in that he could be anything, nobody is arguing he should be pick 1 however, you did mention him though.

I cant justify pick 2 for Sharp based off this, not when CDT and Robey are available.

As I said before though, I wont melt about it as I would understand the logic if the club decided to go for Sharp.

Robey has had a meteoric rise of a smallish sample size. He also seems to be that attacking mid in the mold of Reid and Hewett and possibly duursma.
Whilst we are short on talent pretty much everywhere I think getting a defensively minded ball pig might suit us better from a balance POV

 

[Blue and Silver]

Heard a thing third hand that might hold some interest for you guys.

You are very interested in getting a West Perth kid. I think to the point of doing trades to secure him in the first round.

The source is allegedly on you recruiting team.

 

[ronpingwins]

Heard a thing third hand that might hold some interest for you guys.

You are very interested in getting a West Perth kid. I think to the point of doing trades to secure him in the first round.

The source is allegedly on you recruiting team.

Would be Farrow, which doesn't surprise at all knowing us. Was there anything specific on trades up or down to get him?

 

[Blue and Silver]

Would be Farrow, which doesn't surprise at all knowing us. Was there anything specific on trades up or down to get him?

No, sorry. Only third hand so I can't ask follow ups

 

[Monocle]

Heard a thing third hand that might hold some interest for you guys.

You are very interested in getting a West Perth kid. I think to the point of doing trades to secure him in the first round.

The source is allegedly on you recruiting team.

Thats not hard to believe and would be so on brand for us.

Taking a half back flanker, with midfield potential.

 

[stallon]

I don’t necessarily agree you can find a player like Sharp later in the draft. Yes it’s happened before, but he’s a ball winning inside midfielder first and an elite tackler second, not the other way around. As has been discussed about pure inside mids, they need to be elite at it to not be a liability of sorts. If found later in the draft, they’re obviously less likely to become elite.

With CDT, his attributes that make him much rarer don’t make them more likely to translate to AFL level.
Duursma and Robey’s play styles make them potentially elite, but also make them suspect to flopping. While I say Sharp’s ball winning is his main draw card, if that doesn’t show its potential at the next level he still has his defensive attributes, something not seen with Duursma or Robey. Won’t be as exciting if he turns out as primarily a tackling mid, but it’s far from a bust.

I’d argue Sharp has the highest floor of the bunch with a ceiling that is more likely to be reached even if not quite as high as the others, however Duursma clearly has the most upside which is why he is unanimously ranked no.1

Look, im not that invested in this to keep this going, and I dont think we are going to agree

We just seem to rate players differently, and I dont care for the type of player Sharp is in the modern game. Imo hes not good enough outside/in transition to be worth pick 2.

Im ok with any of the 3 we've been talking about at pick 2, even if i have a strong preference

 

[stallon]

If sharp isn’t relying on his athleticism to be elite, I dare say he’s a greater chance of fulfilling his potential.

In the modern game you need athleticism to be elite, especially as a midfielder.

 

[stallon]

Robey has had a meteoric rise of a smallish sample size. He also seems to be that attacking mid in the mold of Reid and Hewett and possibly duursma.
Whilst we are short on talent pretty much everywhere I think getting a defensively minded ball pig might suit us better from a balance POV

Thats fair, but imo we can have 3 attacking mids in the same side as Sydney for example do.
All of them can play forward, if we had 2 of those 3 in the middle at any time plus a more defensive player i think that would be a fine mix

 

[mitchzz]

Duursma, CDT and Farrow

Quite anticlimactic I must say

 

[FootyOutlier]

Harvey Langford
Sam Lalor
Riley Sanders

They are all Dyson Sharp wannabees. There is never going to be a more stacked inside mid with elite defensive talent and resume than Dyson, that is a fact.

He is the most decorated inside mid since Rowell and we are saying the most decorated inside mid is a reach at pick 2, okay then.

Just admit you do not think any inside mid is worthy of pick 1 or 2 and be done with it.

Mark my words the club will eventually spend a top 2 pick on an inside mid because of our utter failure to address it. So I will get what I want except it is going to be a Dyson Sharp wannabee with one or more of these:

1. Piss poor endurance (JHF and Lalor and Robby)
2. Poor defensive game (Clay Hall and JHF)
3. Poor attitude
4. Poor frame and height (Tom Gross/Jagga)
5. Poor footy IQ
6. Poor disposing under pressure
7. Poor resume (Robby)
8. Lack of Dual Position

The only other draftees who didn't have those negatives is MATT Freaking ROWELL

Can't wait until you Chat GPT one of your all time great melts when Eagles pick Robey at 2

 

[mattyc75]

Thats fair, but imo we can have 3 attacking mids in the same side as Sydney for example do.
All of them can play forward, if we had 2 of those 3 in the middle at any time plus a more defensive player i think that would be a fine mix

I actually think Banfield can be another attacking mid for us, he was very impressive in the last few games
I would take barker over farrow too with 13 if there was a choice
If TWilliams and next years NGAs come good we will be a very attacking team all over the ground so having that extractor this year is a solid move
Also I think having someone who hunts the ball and can anticipate where the ball is going from the ruck contest is more important than winning the ruck.
The actual percentage of ruck taps to advantage is never that high so being able to end up with it regardless of who wins the tap is something we haven't had for a while

 

[Barrybran]

Duursma, CDT and Farrow

Quite anticlimactic I must say

Duursma, Sharp and Farrow. Maybe one other. We seem to be trying to move out of pick 2.

 

[BG__]

Just take Duursma and CDT. They’ve been the clear and consensus top two prospects for while now and look to be a tier above the rest.

With pick 13 try and trade up, pick a slider, or flick it to someone for a F1.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

In the modern game you need athleticism to be elite, especially as a midfielder.

You say that. Then i look at the top 10 in the Brownlow. 9 midfielders, five of who i don't consider to be "quick" mids, could potentially argue that the Bont isn't "quick" either. So while you need to be athletic, you don't need to be super quick.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

And

In the modern game you need athleticism to be elite, especially as a midfielder.

How do you know what his athleticism is actually like. Cause looking at the vision of him playing sanfl, he has no problem on the inside or the outside.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Just take Duursma and CDT. They’ve been the clear and consensus top two prospects for while now and look to be a tier above the rest.

With pick 13 try and trade up, pick a slider, or flick it to someone for a F1.

So how do we solve the simple facts that we 18th in the comp for

Contested
Ground balls
Clearance
Post clearance

Neither of the those 2 solve our midfield woes.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Listened to the latest Duursma interview. What an absolute ripper. Level headed and chill, confident in abilities but humble and complimentary of others. Big yes from a character POV

 

[stallon]

You say that. Then i look at the top 10 in the Brownlow. 9 midfielders, five of who i don't consider to be "quick" mids, could potentially argue that the Bont isn't "quick" either. So while you need to be athletic, you don't need to be super quick.
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Most of those guys you highlighted are strong outside players, only Serong and Rowell being the mostly inside players but Rowell in particular is an incredible athlete. Sharp isnt even comparable in explosiveness

 

[mattyc75]

Just take Duursma and CDT. They’ve been the clear and consensus top two prospects for while now and look to be a tier above the rest.

With pick 13 try and trade up, pick a slider, or flick it to someone for a F1.

I guess the problem for most ppl here is that CDT is a top 2 pick on paper, not really on form.
If we take him and he can become a No 1 ruck thats great but if he is a ruck/forward then its a bit of a waste with out team currently flush with those types

 

[txbyhull]

Most of those guys you highlighted are strong outside players, only Serong and Rowell being the mostly inside players but Rowell in particular is an incredible athlete. Sharp isnt even comparable in explosiveness

I will pay this, the list provided above are not the same mould as Sharp and definitely have more of an outside game these days. I think Rowell though is the best comparison for Sharp given his absolute lack of one until this season. I'd argue Sharp has more of one right now than Rowell did at his age, but Rowell was obviously more of a monster athlete. My main disagreement is the idea that you can pick up elite calibre inside facilitators at the end of the draft.

 

[uptheWC]

Look, im not that invested in this to keep this going, and I dont think we are going to agree

We just seem to rate players differently, and I dont care for the type of player Sharp is in the modern game. Imo hes not good enough outside/in transition to be worth pick 2.

Im ok with any of the 3 we've been talking about at pick 2, even if i have a strong preference

Don’t understand that pov, as we all know contested footy wins finals.

 

[shooshka]

So how do we solve the simple facts that we 18th in the comp for

Contested
Ground balls
Clearance
Post clearance

Neither of the those 2 solve our midfield woes.

In 2026, agreed.

In 27/28 and onwards, way too early for that call. Duursma likens himself to Bont as that is the ceiling. And no-one would suggest Bont would not improve our biggest weaknesses.

Yep, he may be more Embley or Goddard, but surely we must take that risk.

CDT, different conversation

 

[Farmer Lister]

The Vol-Kaneo and Sam Edmund had Duursma on the show this morning.

https://dcs-spotify.megaphone.fm/NTETP9213629710.mp3?key=db129ecd0d35a87bf7097aad662cbc52&request_event_id=4ac5f4cb-4e32-45bf-a25a-3a40fb191d4c&session_id=4ac5f4cb-4e32-45bf-a25a-3a40fb191d4c&timetoken=1761270939_2C7B6D973E7317B0B78300B4B0432FFC

Compares his game to the Bont, knows the importance of getting in all the work you can this time of year to launch a pre-season, wants to get down to the club he's drafted to and get cracking right away, isn't fussed about going anywhere to play since he's a country boy and will need to leave anyway.

Sounds like a good man, serious about working hard. Excited to see what he brings to the team

 

[Yeahnahmate]

I know high picks get low guernsey numbers but I propose Willem takes 40. Nickname him WD40 because hes a versatile go anywhere type that fixes everything

 

[bzparkes]

So how do we solve the simple facts that we 18th in the comp for

Contested
Ground balls
Clearance
Post clearance

Neither of the those 2 solve our midfield woes.

We're not trying to solve it next year, although Dev should help with that, we're trying to fix it long term.