List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)

Rookie Me Central 2025 Draft Guide

2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[Corkintheocean]

There's probably a genuine 50/50 chance to land Sharp at 9 if we trade up.

A potential side benefit of taking Sharp with our third pick is he arrives at the club in FU mode and a point to prove.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

I did say it's not his final one but apologies for poor wording. You have to wait until draft week for the 2025 one, obviously. But 2022 to 2024 have been virtually spot on with the final draft order.

Yes, the information is so reliable now that late in the buildup that Cal (with the help of his network of whisperers) knows what most clubs have locked into for the early part of the draft.

 

[Forward Press]

Yes, the information is so reliable now that late in the buildup that Cal (with the help of his network of whisperers) knows what most clubs have locked into for the early part of the draft.

Therefore, barring any major shocks, there will be a massive amount of disappointed posters in this thread come draft night.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I'm happy with Duursma with our first and CDT with our second, so long as we make Brisbane, Gold Coast and possibly now Carlton pay with bids.

Then I hope Sharp slides to our third pick, whatever that may be.

 

[Barrybran]

Out of boredom I decided to compare Twomey's last five phantom drafts versus the actual draft - top 10 picks only (as once you go deeper in the draft the variance of course can become much larger). The amateurs are amateurs, Cal Twomey as the actual AFL appointed expert should get the most scrutiny.

2020

Draft pick	Actual	Twomey
1	JUH	JUH
2	Thilthorpe	Thilthorpe
3	Phillips	Hollands
4	McDonald	DGB
5	Campbell	McDonald
6	DGB	Phillips
7	Hollands	Bruhn
8	Cox	Reid
9	Perkins	Campbell
10	Reid	Henry

JUH was consensus number 1 and Thilthorpe at 2. The Essendon trio at 8,9 and 10 were largely shaped by list needs, but otherwise mostly correct. Interesting that Twomey identified Henry as top 10, he slid to 17 (Collingwood) but is possibly one of the top 5 players from the 2020 COVID draft.

2021

Draft pick	Actual	Twomey
1	JHF	JHF
2	Darcy	Darcy
3	Callaghan	Callaghan
4	Daicos	Daicos
5	Andrew	Andrew
6	Rachele	Rachele
7	Ward	Ward
8	Amiss	Amiss
9	Gibcus	Gibcus
10	Erasmus	Johnson

Cannot do much better than that, nailed the first 9 spot on. Johnson slid to 21 but obviously still ended up at Freo. NWM was also 11 for Callum Twomey. Erasmus was projected at 12.

2022

Draft pick	Actual	Twomey
1	Cadman	Cadman
2	Ashcroft	Ashcroft
3	Sheezel	Sheezel
4	Wardlaw	Wardlaw
5	Tsatas	Tsatas
6	Humphrey	Humphrey
7	Mackenzie	Mackenzie
8	Clark	Clark
9	Ginbey	Ginbey
10	Philippou	Philippou

No comment. He also predicted Oliver Hollands at 11 too.

2023

Draft pick	Actual	Twomey
1	Reid	Reid
2	McKercher	McKercher
3	Walter	Walter
4	Duursma	Duursma
5	Watson	Watson
6	Sanders	Sanders
7	Windsor	Windsor
8	Curtin	Leake
9	Read	Read
10	Caddy	Curtin

We all knew Curtin was a slight reach for Adelaide at the time and disappointed a fair few of us here, but again mostly spot on. Caddy was pick 11 according to Twomey.

2024

Draft pick	Actual	Twomey
1	Lalor	Lalor
2	O'Sullivan	O'Sullivan
3	Smith	Smith
4	Draper	Draper
5	Ashcroft	Ashcroft
6	Langford	Langford
7	Smillie	Smillie
8	Travaglia	Travaglia
9	Lombard	Lombard
10	Tauru	Tauru

Again nailed the top 10. He predicted Bo Allan at 11 though - hopefully it means we had a slight bargain by paying pick 16.

2025

Draft pick	Actual	Twomey
1		Duursma
2		Uwland
3		CDT
4		Patterson
5		Annable
6		Robey
7		Taylor
8		Dean
9		Sharp
10		Cumming

There will be another phantom released closer to the draft but Twomey at the moment has us picking CDT with our second pick overall...anyone betting on Sharp?

Nice work. I wonder how his mocks compare to his rankings. It's clear he has some bloody good intel.

 

[Coasters7]

Need to force Carlton into using 9 and 11 to match a bid for Dean to bring 13 forward.

Or just use the threat of a bid to get a favourable upgrade from 13 to 9

 

[twce13]

Yes. You can dismiss the experts all you want but no one is taking Sharp above Robey. The fact that Sharp was better as an underager is irrelevant.

The biggest group think is the stiffys on here for Sharp. I don’t think anyone would be unhappy if Sharp slid to our third pick (very possible) but pick 2 is a reach. Alternatively split pick 2 and grab Sharp plus something else but we bang on about taking the best talent at 1 & 2 so a split seems counterintuitive now, especially if we can move up to Carlton’s pick and get another decent kid… maybe even Sharp!

So if eagles pick sharp at pick 2, aren’t they the experts ? Or is that not how your logic works ?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Anyway off point, unless Walsh is NN clone or close to I wouldnt be using our 2027 1st round on a ruck prospect, even if its probably a top 10?

If CDT isn't a ruck, forward or back then Walsh can be described as a ruck, forward and back.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Yes. You can dismiss the experts all you want but no one is taking Sharp above Robey. The fact that Sharp was better as an underager is irrelevant.

The biggest group think is the stiffys on here for Sharp. I don’t think anyone would be unhappy if Sharp slid to our third pick (very possible) but pick 2 is a reach. Alternatively split pick 2 and grab Sharp plus something else but we bang on about taking the best talent at 1 & 2 so a split seems counterintuitive now, especially if we can move up to Carlton’s pick and get another decent kid… maybe even Sharp!

We don't need a flash in pan. We need a consistant performer.

Robey has played 3 or 4 decent games of footy against his peers. If anyone has a stiffy for a player it's those that do for Robey.

Sharp has been a stand out for 3 yrs against his peers and also very good against older sanfl players.

There's debate on who is the best talent at 2.

8 weeks ago it was sharp and CDT. Then Robey played a few blinders and now Robey is in the mix. Duursma clearly at 1. But now it's CDT vs Robey vs sharp. Talents there for all three, we need to make a call on talent and needs.

CDT is a risk because he might have to wait in the WAFL a while.

Robey is a risk BC he doesn't have a tank and won't go into the midfield full-time for a while, and hasn't a body of work to suggest he will make it. This is a pure speculative boom bust kind of selection I'm not sure we can afford to make.

Sharp is proven inside mid, of significant needs and will likely play round 1 and looks every bit a leader we lack.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

So what exact role would we be devolping him in, expect him to play?

Reporter: congratulations WCE, how do you see CDT developing?

• Well we aren't quite sure yet, but he's a super athlete.
• Look he may pinch hit in the ruck but he's not a ruckman
• Yeah look he's not your normal power forward
• We dont this he's a CHB
• he could be that big midfielder but we dont know yet

But my god he's a unicorn and a super athlete, we'll figure this out down the track

This is the concern I have.

 

[Forward Press]

So if eagles pick sharp at pick 2, aren’t they the experts ? Or is that not how your logic works ?

What if the Eagles pick CDT at pick 2?

 

[eaglevision]

Anyway off point, unless Walsh is NN clone or close to I wouldnt be using our 2027 1st round on a ruck prospect, even if its probably a top 10?

Next year watch him play ruck, KPD, KPF, kick and run for a kid already over 200cm as well as his aggression and attack on the contest and see what you think. Well worth what will be our F1, especially in year we’re likely to get Warner via FA and the benefit of getting him in for development a year in advance. He is tracking as an outstanding prospect.

 

[No Hassle Hough]

I am expecting CDT at 2 (not my preference, but can live with it).

The problem is, the players available at 13 (likely to be no good midfield prospects).

We have already been linked to Farrow (very similar media noises to Ginbey and Allan). I am hoping he is taken before our pick, but am worried we will trade up to secure him.

Farrow may end up a fine player, but our record of converting HBFs into midfielders is terrible.

 

[Seadog]

What if the Eagles pick CDT at pick 2?

You're not helping.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

As per Cal's phantom draft we should have it on pretty good authority if Sharp will be available at pick 9 etc and then we should be trading up to get him. CDT wont get past 5 so taking him at 2 is our best shot at having our cake and eating it too if we like all 3.

 

[NSLK]

Next year watch him play ruck, KPD, KPF, kick and run for a kid already over 200cm as well as his aggression and attack on the contest and see what you think. Well worth what will be our F1, especially in year we’re likely to get Warner via FA and the benefit of getting him in for development a year in advance. He is tracking as an outstanding prospect.

But he's tiny - only 201cm. What if he doesn't grow to at least 204cm?

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

We don't need a flash in pan. We need a consistant performer.

Robey has played 3 or 4 decent games of footy against his peers. If anyone has a stiffy for a player it's those that do for Robey.

Sharp has been a stand out for 3 yrs against his peers and also very good against older sanfl players.

There's debate on who is the best talent at 2.

8 weeks ago it was sharp and CDT. Then Robey played a few blinders and now Robey is in the mix. Duursma clearly at 1. But now it's CDT vs Robey vs sharp. Talents there for all three, we need to make a call on talent and needs.

CDT is a risk because he might have to wait in the WAFL a while.

Robey is a risk BC he doesn't have a tank and won't go into the midfield full-time for a while, and hasn't a body of work to suggest he will make it. This is a pure speculative boom bust kind of selection I'm not sure we can afford to make.

Sharp is proven inside mid, of significant needs and will likely play round 1 and looks every bit a leader we lack.

That's a fine post but you're neglecting that Sharp is also a risk. He might become a Ben Hobbs, Phillip, Jhye Clark, Dom Sheed etc some of whom are fine players but not what you'd be hoping for from pick 2.

Not saying you're wrong but you don't do your arguements any favours by not acknowledging there is a risk your preferred player is a bust or becomes a serviceable but not pick 2 worthy player.

 

[Forward Press]

That's a fine post but you're neglecting that Sharp is also a risk. He might become a Ben Hobbs, Phillip, Jhye Clark, Dom Sheed etc some of whom are fine players but not what you'd be hoping for from pick 2.

Not saying you're wrong but you don't do your arguements any favours by not acknowledging there is a risk your preferred player is a bust or becomes a serviceable but not pick 2 worthy player.

I mean, there's a reason Sharp is not going at pick 2 in any phantom draft.

We'll see next month - and in a few years time - but there is a very high chance that a whole host of players' names will be read out on draft night before Dyson Sharp.

I just hope that if we get him, that he becomes the jet that everyone on here seems confident he is.

 

[Lia]

I will not melt over CDT, yes I would prefer a mid but in this draft it seems like square peg in round hole stuff. I am worried about his ruck craft but excited about his around the ground work.

Much more interested in what we do with 13. This will be the longest few weeks.

 

[MeltMan]

I'm in here for the melts if Sharp slides to our third pick - and we still don't pick him.

A criticism of Sharp is that he's slow. Is this what we want from our great inside mid hope?

How long can  priddis sharp be debated?

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Simmo: we need those top 10 and moreso top 5 picks to get the A-grade mids. Thats where you build your midfield from.

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Reid

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[Eastern Rangers]

If he's seen as a CHB then it should be a hard pass

Nobody sees him as a key defender, but i think it's his most likely playing position.

1. An elite 20m sprint means forwards will struggle to get away from him, and he can close right up onto the back of defenders. While players might beat him in the air, he's going to be close enough to affect a spoil.
2. Doesn't extend the arms in marking contests & isn't something easily fixed, which will limit his capacity forward. Averaged a goal a game as a ruck/ forward is passable.
3. Elite kick for a guy 201cm tall. Clubs love that behind the ball.
4. Given his average vertical leap, he'll need additional bulk to play in the ruck.Which will hurt his athletic profile. He's not Jackson and shouldn't be viewed as a leaping ruckmen.

 

[Obeanie1]

Why on earth would they do that

To ensure they land a player they rate highly before someone else does.

 

[Obeanie1]

Simmo: we need those top 10 and moreso top 5 picks to get the A-grade mids. Thats where you build your midfield from.

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Reid

<Crickets>

How did Hawthorn build theirs?

 

[txbyhull]

To ensure they land a player they rate highly before someone else does.

To ensure they land a player that no one including clubs rates all that highly above the next guy available? The word with Richmond is Grlj is a definite. They'd be absolutely insane to give up 2 of Grlj, CDT, Xav, Sharp, Cumming, etc. for 1 Robey. They're in the same boat we are list-wise, BPA mode. If they actually gave up 3 and 4 for 2, I'd shave all the hair off my body and get a big Freo anchor tattooed on my forehead. Unless they move it for 2 and our F1, they'd never do that.