List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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Rookie Me Central 2025 Draft Guide

2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[ACT_EAGLE]

I wonder if a thread could be set up which looks at potential landing spots for each clubs list spots. Cal T said the draft will see 44 to 57 picks. Be great to look at what nga or other later picks are linked to clubs which suggests those picks won’t be a threat to the nga and father sons at the eagles.

The espn phantom draft which was supposedly informed by recruiters and manages says eagles trying for three top picks then turning attention to clubs which suggests tied talent.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

Every draft is different and has different sweet spots. 5 and 6 would let us take two players who are very close in quality to the player at pick 2, whereas pick 13 is going to be a tier below those players. It doesn't matter where the bids are, those will be players we were never going to have access too anyway, the value of the picks to everyone else is the same regardless of where the matched bids are.

Only if you dont rate CDT as the player with a much higher ceiling than those mids at 5/6. We are just back to a CDT versus Sharp argument...if you dont think CDT can be a unicorn type then you trade but Essendon likely do so you need to get maximum value if they want to jump in front of us and Tigers and 5,6 aint that.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

I said 80 pages ago that Essendon would come for CDT and we are the ones with the power so its time to actually leverage it.

 

[ThePuma #9]

I said 80 pages ago that Essendon would come for CDT and we are the ones with the power so its time to actually leverage it.

I’m content with 5 & 6 for 2 & 13 but rather than explain my reasons why to you I’m curious what it would take for you to be prepared to give up pick 2.

What would you consider of Essendon cam knocking?

 

[rfarlz]

Only if you dont rate CDT as the player with a much higher ceiling than those mids at 5/6. We are just back to a CDT versus Sharp argument...if you dont think CDT can be a unicorn type then you trade but Essendon likely do so you need to get maximum value if they want to jump in front of us and Tigers and 5,6 aint that.

I guess that's the crux of it, I don't rate CDT, so the trade makes a lot of sense to me.

I look at it as CDT+Farrow or Sharp+Cumming (or thereabouts). CDT+Farrow fill the two positions we're deepest on: Fwd/Ruck and HBF. Sharp and Cumming would give us an exceptional inside mid and a great balanced mid, which both fill gaping holes in our list. Next year is the draft we should be targeting talls.

 

[WCEswift]

Cooper ramsay i hope is a ruck were into as a rookie

 

[PRANKSTER666]

I would be happy waiting to see what mccarthy, hewett, dev etc can bring next year and then bring another elite mid in 2026 giving CDT a years head start on a mid which will develop quicker.

With regards to what I would want from Essendon, well its trivial if we rate CDT an elite talent. If not then make them go get 15 to add to the deal and perhaps get Farrow too.

 

[FootyOutlier]

Essendon wants pick 2. WCE doesn't want to do anything.

I still believe we will be going 1,2 to the draft and what ever the crap we make of 13.

 

[eaglespremiers]

The Onley shout at 13 might be the worst take I’ve seen in this whole thread in the most respectful way possible. The only thing the fella has is the frame.

Have you ever seen him play live or is this just your assessment of him based on average footage posted on Youtube? Or a profile on RookieMe?

I've seen him play live this year in a number of games and whilst he has some deficiencies (such as scoreboard impact) there's plenty to like with Onley as a player. He is one of the best mids this year in standing in the tackle, keeping his feet and getting his hands clear to dish off.

He also has a good turn of pace which he used effectively during the Champs to evade traffic and leave congestion.

He can kick off both feet, is good above his head, is smart enough to know when to dish off and when to take the player on.

Now I'm certainly not suggesting that Onley is a sure thing and should be taken at pick 13.
However, I find your dismissive opinion of a kid who has good potential to be rather asinine.
He has the attributes to play AFL and to actually excel at it, given the right circumstances.
I wouldn't be so disparaging of a 195cm midfielder who was in Country's top handful of players for the Champs carnival.

 

[txbyhull]

Have you ever seen him play live or is this just your assessment of him based on average footage posted on Youtube? Or a profile on RookieMe?

I've seen him play live this year in a number of games and whilst he has some deficiencies (such as scoreboard impact) there's plenty to like with Onley as a player. He is one of the best mids this year in standing in the tackle, keeping his feet and getting his hands clear to dish off.
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He also has a good turn of pace which he used effectively during the Champs to evade traffic and leave congestion.
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He can kick off both feet, is good above his head, is smart enough to know when to dish off and when to take the player on.
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Now I'm certainly not suggesting that Onley is a sure thing and should be taken at pick 13.
However, I find your dismissive opinion of a kid who has good potential to be rather asinine.
He has the attributes to play AFL and to actually excel at it, given the right circumstances.
I wouldn't be so disparaging of a 195cm midfielder who was in Country's top handful of players for the Champs carnival.

Are you sure you’re not his dad?

 

[eaglespremiers]

Are you sure you’re not his dad?

You're a smart guy, work it out.

 

[txbyhull]

You're a smart guy, work it out.

I don’t think he’s a bad player by any means. Hes definitely unique. Strong POD is his frame combined with his speed and power. I haven’t watched all that much of him to be fair, I saw a bit of his champs stuff where he ran a wing here and there. Has he had exposed form as a forward? At 195 with a non-AFL standard tank you’d hope he could at least rest forward.

I do think you’re overrating his kicking especially, but my thing is if we’re drafting these kinds of big bodies it’s great if they can do a bit of damage on the outside which Greeves and Onley both do well, but having a poor two-way game immediately puts a line through them for me. We don’t need any more coasters or skiers that only want to go one way. Sharp, or to a lower tier of the draft a kid like Dalton (not this type of player but for the sake of my point regarding tackling) are real dogs. They ****ing want to lay a big tackle. That’s what we need more of.

I see someone taking a flier on Onley in the 30-40 range. Just way too raw to come in and play year 1. Would probably dominate the wafl but that’s not exactly a tall order

 

[Broken_Chairs]

• Essendon are desperate for CDT
• WCE want 3x picks in the top 10
• WCE are also comfortable keeping pick 2 and taking best available.

I'd be telling Essendon that CDT is theirs so long as they can make sure we enter the draft with 3 top 10 picks.

2 & 13 for 5 & 6 seems good to me.

 

[EagleEgo]

The WCE is the only owner of pick#1 and pick#2. If Essendon wants CDT, they have to enter a monopolistic market where there is only one seller.

The price of pick #2 should not be determined according to the draft value table given by the AFL. Monopolistic market Vs competitive market!

(I am sure Eagles fans still remember how Geelong behaved in Tim Kelly

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CL

4.9

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19.9

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12.3

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trade in the 2018 and 2019 trade deals).

 

[BSD]

Delisting Livingston might be the first bit of clever work from us, might be a double sway, convince others who want CDT to further convince we are really into him. Oh who am I kidding, I give us too much credit.

It was great to see all the many so called experts on this forum calling for Cripps to be delisted and rookie drafted proved wrong. They all said no one would take him, remember when West Coast picked Tim Watson when he tried to make a comeback, that was done out of spite.
I wouldn't have put it past the arrogant Dockers to do the same with one of their high picks in a shallow draft.

 

[The_Reaper]

It was great to see all the many so called experts on this forum calling for Cripps to be delisted and rookie drafted proved wrong. They all said no one would take him, remember when West Coast picked Tim Watson when he tried to make a comeback, that was done out of spite.
I wouldn't have put it past the arrogant Dockers to do the same with one of their high picks in a shallow draft.

Draft Cripps when Jake Stringer is available?

 

[Wooshaaaa]

It was great to see all the many so called experts on this forum calling for Cripps to be delisted and rookie drafted proved wrong. They all said no one would take him, remember when West Coast picked Tim Watson when he tried to make a comeback, that was done out of spite.
I wouldn't have put it past the arrogant Dockers to do the same with one of their high picks in a shallow draft.

Proved wrong! Wrong about what exactly.

No-one was going to take him had we delisted to rookie. And so what if they had!! Won't make a shred of difference to us in 2026, when it comes to our win/loss ratio. In fact, all he is going to do is take a spot from a player we need to be getting games into.

Small/medium forwards for 2026, either FT or rotating through

Baker
Duggan
Graham
Brockman
Hutch
*Owes
Long
Gross
Champion
Newton
Harley
Hewitt

Potential draftees
Sharp, cumming, dovaston,

NGAs
Williams
Evans
Walley


Barnett was more likely to be taken by a team desperate for key position players thinking just make a key defender out of him.

 

[eaglevision]

Just further to the 2,13 for 5,6 discussion. We’ve covered Sharp in depth but Sam Cumming is being absolutely slept on and in my view demonstrates why the above deal would be in our favour.

There’s no guarantee these two are available, but it does seem Richmond are more heavily linked to Robey, X Taylor and Grlj and we will know which kids Richmond are taking.

Cumming has power, athleticism, versatility, aggression, inside and outside game, is good overhead and hits the scoreboard. If not for his shoulder injury I think he’d be spoken about as a top 3 pick.

Cumming’s SANFL league game highlights before he got injured:



I would go as far as to offer 34 and 53 as part of the deal if that clinched it, or trade 13,34,53 to Carlton for 9 then the swap is 2,9 for 5,6. 2,13 for 5,6 is an excellent deal for us if the Bombers are blowing their load about CDT.

Leave with Duursma, Sharp, Cumming then 41 comes into the mid 30s to grab Curtin or match Williams. 58 ends up in the 40s to match Banfield.

 

[Corn69]

Eagle fans: Don't want CDT, he's not a need atm.

Also Eagle fans: lets draft Schubert.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

The initial noise is Dons offering 5+15 for 2. Stepping back, that is 4 first round picks including 1 and 5 so a damned fine draft hand.

If faced with no better offer, I’m going to take that. But I’d want a way to turn 13 15 34 41 into something better and/or shift value to 2026. The depth at that range is ok. 13+15 gets us 2 of Dovaston, Barker, Lindsay, Thredgold, Marsh, etc but we are tight on senior spots so 4 x R1 picks might mean we miss one of Williams or Evans (prioritise Banfield)

Instead of targeting both 5+6 for 2+13, we supposedly want Dons F1. I’t would be a simple transaction and I would do 5+EssF1 for 2+WCF2.

Essendon could be anywhere from bottom 3 to a couple of wins outside the 8. Essendon will look silly being stubborn not budging to get CDT but will look idiots if their F1 is a top 5 pick. If I like it that much, it means it won’t happen even if I chuck in 41.


Given the SA talent at the 5+6 range, why not get the Crows involved? Crows sniffing at Blues 9 with their F1 + 16 on offer (not necessarily the full trade). Pick 6 gets a definite SA top end while 9 is hoping for one being still there so Crows get a better deal.

Crows 16+own F1 for 6 - gets them one of Cumming, Sharp or Schubert

Eagles 2+41 for 5+AdF1 - Eagles give up CDT and 41 but get Sharp or Cumming plus a F1 (assume it’s around 16 but a harder draw and Crows F1 could be as low as 12

Suns 15 for 21+30 - Suns get points upgrade and this could be done independently

Dons 5+6+21+30 for 2+15+16+41 - Dons lose 5+6 but get CDT without losing a F1 and get 2 other mid R1 picks.

Eagles take to draft 1 5 13 34 53 58 and Crows F1
Dons take to draft 2 15 16 27 41


Questions are, would we want this deal and would others want it? There is enough of a skeleton of a deal. Instead of 41, we might need to make it 34 but that is noise in the scheme of it. Or make it 41+53 as both will come into better points for their 2 NGA’s.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

The initial noise is Dons offering 5+15 for 2. Stepping back, that is 4 first round picks including 1 and 5 so a damned fine draft hand.

If faced with no better offer, I’m going to take that. But I’d want a way to turn 13 15 34 41 into something better and/or shift value to 2026. The depth at that range is ok. 13+15 gets us 2 of Dovaston, Barker, Lindsay, Thredgold, Marsh, etc but we are tight on senior spots so 4 x R1 picks might mean we miss one of Williams or Evans (prioritise Banfield)

Instead of targeting both 5+6 for 2+13, we supposedly want Dons F1. I’t would be a simple transaction and I would do 5+EssF1 for 2+WCF2.

Essendon could be anywhere from bottom 3 to a couple of wins outside the 8. Essendon will look silly being stubborn not budging to get CDT but will look idiots if their F1 is a top 5 pick. If I like it that much, it means it won’t happen even if I chuck in 41.


Given the SA talent at the 5+6 range, why not get the Crows involved? Crows sniffing at Blues 9 with their F1 + 16 on offer (not necessarily the full trade). Pick 6 gets a definite SA top end while 9 is hoping for one being still there so Crows get a better deal.

Crows 16+own F1 for 6 - gets them one of Cumming, Sharp or Schubert

Eagles 2+41 for 5+AdF1 - Eagles give up CDT and 41 but get Sharp or Cumming plus a F1 (assume it’s around 16 but a harder draw and Crows F1 could be as low as 12

Suns 15 for 21+30 - Suns get points upgrade and this could be done independently

Dons 5+6+21+30 for 2+15+16+41 - Dons lose 5+6 but get CDT without losing a F1 and get 2 other mid R1 picks.

Eagles take to draft 1 5 13 34 53 58 and Crows F1
Dons take to draft 2 15 16 27 41


Questions are, would we want this deal and would others want it? There is enough of a skeleton of a deal. Instead of 41, we might need to make it 34 but that is noise in the scheme of it. Or make it 41+53 as both will come into better points for their 2 NGA’s.

In order, I want Banfield evans Williams wally.

Banfield showed he can go inside out
Evans is the 10 carrot diamond in the rough
Williams has all speed and talent, does he have work ethic
Wally at 185 has showed to mini his talent, and could be a future jack Martin.

I feel like if we miss a couple of these, in the future all we are going to here is, "oh he was eagle NGA and they had him right under there noses with 4 extra rookies spots gifted by the AFL, and they passed on him"

While I hoping they don't get bid on, I think 2 do and we have match. That means 3 earlier picks only.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

No way am I taking Pick 5 and 15 for Pick 2. That offer is just embarrassing

 

[The_Reaper]

I’d take 5 (sharp) and 9 (dovaston) for 2 and 13

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

In order, I want Banfield evans Williams wally.

Banfield showed he can go inside out
Evans is the 10 carrot diamond in the rough
Williams has all speed and talent, does he have work ethic
Wally at 185 has showed to mini his talent, and could be a future jack Martin.

I feel like if we miss a couple of these, in the future all we are going to here is, "oh he was eagle NGA and they had him right under there noses with 4 extra rookies spots gifted by the AFL, and they passed on him"

While I hoping they don't get bid on, I think 2 do and we have match. That means 3 earlier picks only.

Banfield and Evans are the top 2 list necessities for me as well. They are proven ball winners (despite smaller sample sizes) and I think they can make an impact at AFL level very early, while the other 2 are more speculative. The extra rookie spots might end up being wasted if our NGA's are gone. Decent chance we end up filling it with WAFL grade talent. Not being granted the ability to prelist them as part of the assistance package was a massive blow imo. It was what I was wishing for the most.

 

[txbyhull]

It was great to see all the many so called experts on this forum calling for Cripps to be delisted and rookie drafted proved wrong. They all said no one would take him, remember when West Coast picked Tim Watson when he tried to make a comeback, that was done out of spite.
I wouldn't have put it past the arrogant Dockers to do the same with one of their high picks in a shallow draft.

No one was proved wrong… it’s still the smarter thing to do given our draft situation. There’s likely reasons to not do it that we aren’t privy to, but given all the info public available, there’s literally no reason to not do it