List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[Jeremy McLovin]

Missed a day or two and the thread ballooned 20 pages, is there anything worth reading in there or just more of the same?

 

[Westend]

Go back and look at Elijah Hewett's Championship highlights.... He was taken at 14. Looked every bit as good as Cumming and Robey etc. if not better. After Duursma and CDT, the open pool looks pretty weak this year. We should not even consider trading pick 2 unless a F1 is included. People talking of trading 2 for 5 and 15 because the points match have NFI.

Agreed

I have seen on this on the socials going around and on the numerous fan mock draft you tubers ...and IMHO this would be bad for us ..If they are going to split 2 the end result would have to be 5 and 6 for me...club to sort out the trades 2 for picks etc but the end result would have to be 5/6 for 2

I would rather somehow trade to get pick 9 and keep 1 and 2 how that happens I don't know, up to the trade experts

Still think the aim for the club is to get Duursma CDT and Sharp ...its how we do it is the issue

 

[bzparkes]

Missed a day or two and the thread ballooned 20 pages, is there anything worth reading in there or just more of the same?

Pretty new and fresh content but you need to ensure you read all the pages, so you don't miss any context.

 

[Doashuey]

Missed a day or two and the thread ballooned 20 pages, is there anything worth reading in there or just more of the same?

No. It has been this way since early October. Yet here I am...

 

[Seadog]

Missed a day or two and the thread ballooned 20 pages, is there anything worth reading in there or just more of the same?

Have a guess.

 

[Doashuey]

Agreed

I have seen on this on the socials going around and on the numerous fan mock draft you tubers ...and IMHO this would be bad for us ..If they are going to split 2 the end result would have to be 5 and 6 for me...club to sort out the trades 2 for picks etc but the end result would have to be 5/6 for 2

I would rather somehow trade to get pick 9 and keep 1 and 2 how that happens I don't know, up to the trade experts

Still think the aim for the club is to get Duursma CDT and Sharp ...its how we do it is the issue

Yep I am pretty strong on us taking Duursma 1, bid on Uwland, maybe Patterson and then using our second pick on CDT. I think it will take Bombers offering 5 +F1 for us to consider moving away from Pick 2. If no future 1st is on the table, I am fairly confident we will just hold our picks and take CDT.
Can we get Sharp later in the draft? Seems unlikely but not beyond the realms of possibility, especially if we can trade up to 9. Club will probably trade up and then leave Sharp on the table and pick Farrow instead which would result in a highly entertaining board for a couple of days.

 

[squashface]

Yep I am pretty strong on us taking Duursma 1, bid on Uwland, maybe Patterson and then using our second pick on CDT. I think it will take Bombers offering 5 +F1 for us to consider moving away from Pick 2. If no future 1st is on the table, I am fairly confident we will just hold our picks and take CDT.
Can we get Sharp later in the draft? Seems unlikely but not beyond the realms of possibility, especially if we can trade up to 9. Club will probably trade up and then leave Sharp on the table and pick Farrow instead which would result in a highly entertaining board for a couple of days.

There's no way Sharp lasts past the Essendon picks so unless we get 5 then we aren't getting him. They just admitted defeat on Hobbs so they would absolutely be in the market for another inside mid.

 

[Doashuey]

There's no way Sharp lasts past the Essendon picks so unless we get 5 then we aren't getting him. They just admitted defeat on Hobbs so they would absolutely be in the market for another inside mid.

Probably not but I don't think we are going to concern ourselves with that. Take CDT as the pick of the litter and see what is left for us at our 3rd pick.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Similarly both the country and the Allies were poor in the champs. No better then WA. But every West Australian gets discounted.

Country comfortably beat the Allies and Metro, should've beat WA and were competitive against SA for the better part of the quarters. I don't think your comparison is accurate.

 

[kane249]

No. It has been this way since early October. Yet here I am...

9 more days to go

Then the debate on what to do with pick 2 will finally end

To be replaced with the debate on why did we do that with pick 2 when we could have done this

 

[woosha24]

9 more days to go

Then the debate on what to do with pick 2 will finally end

To be replaced with the debate on why did we do that with pick 2 when we could have done this

Followed by Pick 2 becoming either the Messiah or Tom Swift 2.0. There is no in between.

 

[beagles]

Stop with the comedy. Dons list is crap and for half the year they have 3 players recovering from ACL's. Even with a good run they're not getting out of the bottom 6.

Picks next year are worth more than this year. Every club is trying to get hold of future first round picks. I'm not trying to rain on your parade but it is considered that next years early picks are miles better than this year. A player like Dougie Cochrane is held in the same Esteem as Harley Reid and there is another two or three considered way better than the first half a dozen this year..Clubs with likely early picks next year aren't trading them for picks this year.

We could let them know we are discussing a pick trade with you guy's. Reckon they will be spooked and do the F1st trade.

Their target is clearly Robey

 

[shooshka]

There's no way Sharp lasts past the Essendon picks so unless we get 5 then we aren't getting him. They just admitted defeat on Hobbs so they would absolutely be in the market for another inside mid.

I think it is unlikely any club in the top 8 (so 4 clubs) takes 2 of the same types (I.e. 2x mids) with their 2 picks. The rankings are so even that all will look at needs over pure rankings I’d guess.

Assuming we take Duursma & CDT, Tigers jump on Robey. Probably Taylor next but could be Grjl.

Bombers - a choice between Cumming and Sharp. Then I think possibly the other of Taylor/Grjl or could go Schubert.

If the bombers go for Cumming instead of Sharp he possibly gets to 9. Demons I think would want KPP plus speed with their picks.

Highly unlikely though. 9 almost certainly means a choice between Dovaston and Farrow.

 

[sharps24]

Still not thrilled with picks 1 and 2 in this draft, but like a lot of players in the first round. Don't love the pick swaps being floated too much either, but I'd be well up for the right pick swap.

Where would people rate the value of picks 1 and 2 if:

1 and 13 to Essendon for 5,6 their and their f1.

Is this too lop sided for us? Feels about right to me but I'd throw in one of our future seconds potentially. I don't see Duursma as being anything particularly outstanding and also don't really see a clear need for him in our 22. I can see nightmare scenarios where Harley goes home in 2028 and Duursma in 2029 and having to restart our rebuild. Just not a good idea messing with Victoria pick 1's in the age of 2 million dollar seasons. 5.6. F1 is worth more to us than Durrsma and 13. The loyalty you are going to get out of a player taken at 5 and 6 is a safer bet, for negligible long term difference in talent or ability or ceiling. To Essendon, I can see them viewing Duursma as a marquee player who is central to their list build. To us he's just another draftee really. I'd do this trade without a second thought.

Then I'm doing something similar with 2. And we ave 2 options.

2 to Melbourne for 7 and their f1. That would be ideal. We take 5.6.7 in the draft and also have 3 first round picks next year in the top 10.

But, thats maybe too harsh on Melbourne unless they are really into CDT or Robey. So Carlton comes into focus. If they can get 2 they get ahead of any Dean bids.

2 to Carlton for 9 and their f1. Personally I'm not sure the 2 for 5.6 deal isn't daylight robbery, but 9 plus a pick that could be in the pick 5 -10 range next I think it's mostly fair. For Carlton to get a top 2 pick ahead of the Dean bids when they need to sell 9 or 11 anyway is worth parting with their f1. Pick 2 this year is the highest they are going to get in this or next years draft.

We take 5.6.7 or 5.6.9 in the draft and get whoever you want. For me I'm taking Sharp, Grlj, Dovaston but I don't really care if it's only 2 out of the 3 and it's Cumming or Farrow or whoever. 6 players inside the top 10 over 2 drafts, **** the so called top rated player.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Still not thrilled with picks 1 and 2 in this draft, but like a lot of players in the first round. Don't love the pick swaps being floated too much either, but I'd be well up for the right pick swap.

Where would people rate the value of picks 1 and 2 if:

1 and 13 to Essendon for 5,6 their and their f1.

Is this too lop sided for us? Feels about right to me but I'd throw in one of our future seconds potentially. I don't see Duursma as being anything particularly outstanding and also don't really see a clear need for him in our 22. I can see nightmare scenarios where Harley goes home in 2028 and Duursma in 2029 and having to restart our rebuild. Just not a good idea messing with Victoria pick 1's in the age of 2 million dollar seasons. 5.6. F1 is worth more to us than Durrsma and 13. The loyalty you are going to get out of a player taken at 5 and 6 is a safer bet, for negligible long term difference in talent or ability or ceiling. To Essendon, I can see them viewing Duursma as a marquee player who is central to their list build. To us he's just another draftee really. I'd do this trade without a second thought.

Then I'm doing something similar with 2. And we ave 2 options.

2 to Melbourne for 7 and their f1. That would be ideal. We take 5.6.7 in the draft and also have 3 first round picks next year in the top 10.

But, thats maybe too harsh on Melbourne unless they are really into CDT or Robey. So Carlton comes into focus. If they can get 2 they get ahead of any Dean bids.

2 to Carlton for 9 and their f1. Personally I'm not sure the 2 for 5.6 deal isn't daylight robbery, but 9 plus a pick that could be in the pick 5 -10 range next I think it's mostly fair. For Carlton to get a top 2 pick ahead of the Dean bids when they need to sell 9 or 11 anyway is worth parting with their f1. Pick 2 this year is the highest they are going to get in this or next years draft.

We take 5.6.7 or 5.6.9 in the draft and get whoever you want. For me I'm taking Sharp, Grlj, Dovaston but I don't really care if it's only 2 out of the 3 and it's Cumming or Farrow or whoever. 6 players inside the top 10 over 2 drafts, **** the so called top rated player.

This is how we end up in mid table for the foreseeable. You need the best of the the best.

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

The main thing is we need to place at least two bids to push essendon's picks to 7 and 8, that way if we trade with them we avoid the curse of pick 6.

And if we don't trade with them Richmond likely end up with it.

 

[eaglevision]

Still not thrilled with picks 1 and 2 in this draft,

Which two picks would your prefer?

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

I can't wait for the draft, this thread hurts my head.

One thing that's clear is Willem Duursma will be playing for the Eagles.

Just for shits n giggles. I asked AI to run 1000 draft simulations. Unfortunately, it couldn't do that, but it provided two likely scenarios, with the latter being my preference.


Scenario 1
Pick 1 - Willem Duursma
Pick 2 - CDT


Scenario 2 [WCE Trades pick 2]

Orig. Pick #	Club Selecting	Prospect Picked (Open Pool)	Rationale
1	WEST COAST	Willem Duursma	(WCE Pick 1) The consensus No. 1 talent. A lock for the Eagles' midfield anchor.
2	GC Match Bid	Zeke Uwland (GC)	Bid matched. Removes this pick from the open pool.
3	RICHMOND	Cooper Duff-Tytler	(RIC Pick 1) Richmond's list needs a long-term key-position anchor. Duff-Tytler's unique blend of size and athleticism makes him the likely choice at Pick 2 (after the Uwland bid).
4	BL Match Bid	Daniel Annable (BL)	Bid matched. Removes this pick from the open pool.
5	CARLTON Match Bid	Harry Dean (CARL)	Bid matched. The Dean Father/Son bid is matched, removing this pick.
6	GC Match Bid	Dylan Patterson (GC)	Bid matched. The Patterson Academy bid is matched, removing this pick.
7	RICHMOND	Xavier Taylor	(RIC Pick 2) Richmond uses their second selection (Pick 3 after bids) to take a high-end Key Defender. Taylor is a highly touted, versatile 191cm defender who would fill a major list need for the Tigers.
8	WEST COAST	Sullivan Robey	(WCE Pick 2) West Coast's second pick now falls to Pick 8. They secure the best remaining mid/forward bolter, filling a need for power and goal sense.
9	WEST COAST	Sam Grlj	(WCE Pick 3) West Coast's third pick now falls to Pick 9. They secure the best available speed/skill profile.

***Footenote;
This strategy maximises the value of the Eagles' picks, securing a mix of inside power (Duursma), forward burst and versatility (Robey), and outside speed and skill (Grlj)—a perfect three-pronged haul for a list rebuild.

 

[Goroyals22]

Seems we have stopped the Will Phillips interest. Seen at St kilda training this morning

 

[ballsohard]

I can't wait for the draft, this thread hurts my head.

One thing that's clear is Willem Duursma will be playing for the Eagles.

Just for shits n giggles. I asked AI to run 1000 draft simulations. Unfortunately, it couldn't do that, but it provided two likely scenarios, with the latter being my preference.


Scenario 1
Pick 1 - Willem Duursma
Pick 2 - CDT


Scenario 2 [WCE Trades pick 2]

Orig. Pick #	Club Selecting	Prospect Picked (Open Pool)	Rationale
1	WEST COAST	Willem Duursma	(WCE Pick 1) The consensus No. 1 talent. A lock for the Eagles' midfield anchor.
2	GC Match Bid	Zeke Uwland (GC)	Bid matched. Removes this pick from the open pool.
3	RICHMOND	Cooper Duff-Tytler	(RIC Pick 1) Richmond's list needs a long-term key-position anchor. Duff-Tytler's unique blend of size and athleticism makes him the likely choice at Pick 2 (after the Uwland bid).
4	BL Match Bid	Daniel Annable (BL)	Bid matched. Removes this pick from the open pool.
5	CARLTON Match Bid	Harry Dean (CARL)	Bid matched. The Dean Father/Son bid is matched, removing this pick.
6	GC Match Bid	Dylan Patterson (GC)	Bid matched. The Patterson Academy bid is matched, removing this pick.
7	RICHMOND	Xavier Taylor	(RIC Pick 2) Richmond uses their second selection (Pick 3 after bids) to take a high-end Key Defender. Taylor is a highly touted, versatile 191cm defender who would fill a major list need for the Tigers.
8	WEST COAST	Sullivan Robey	(WCE Pick 2) West Coast's second pick now falls to Pick 8. They secure the best remaining mid/forward bolter, filling a need for power and goal sense.
9	WEST COAST	Sam Grlj	(WCE Pick 3) West Coast's third pick now falls to Pick 9. They secure the best available speed/skill profile.

***Footenote;
This strategy maximises the value of the Eagles' picks, securing a mix of inside power (Duursma), forward burst and versatility (Robey), and outside speed and skill (Grlj)—a perfect three-pronged haul for a list rebuild.

I too like the scenario where we trade pick 2 to essendon for 5 & 6, and then essendon decides to pass on pick 2

 

[Yeahnahmate]

How delicious would one of these taste on a hot November evening?

 

[JackOutback]

Which two picks would your prefer?

Following on from the fixturing initiative, I want pick 0.

 

[eaglevision]

Following on from the fixturing initiative, I want pick 0.

Opening pick?

 

[JackOutback]

Opening pick?

 

[sregit]

Unrelated to this discussion but I only just noticed you're a Hawthorn fan, hypothetical situation for you:

Hawks on the board at 26 having selected Pou Jr. earlier, where's the first thought? I'd have said a defender, but with most of the good ones off the board and bids matched for Jai Murray and Harry Kyle, would you consider Avery Thomas as an 185cm elite lockdown and athlete? Room for improvement with his skills but you could always have Mass give him a workshop. Hawthorn fan from Launceston. Probably frees up one of the other vets in the backline to focus on distribution and not expend as much energy on the actual defending, if you are unable to get a Lindsay or something to actual take the reigns of said backline distributor

I’m a Tigers fan. So no comment on your hawk questions.