List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)

Rookie Me Central 2025 Draft Guide

2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[Boohemian]

'Tip of the iceberg': The WA sports school that's set to go off on draft night - https://www.afl.com.au/news/1450626

Nice little article on Williams and Evans, and ex Eagles player/recruiter who's now their teacher

"said Brad Smith, former West Coast player and recruiter and now a teacher at Darling Range."

I wonder if Brad Smith used to post around here.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

They're delicious all the time.

Damnit, your right

 

[darksquare]

Fred Rodriguez was a top 3 prospect according to this board this time last year

I think he'll still turn out to be a bargain where he's drafted. If we've let an early bid on Tylah Williams pass, and Fred's there at our pick 34, I'd love to grab him.

 

[dinnaz]

Still not thrilled with picks 1 and 2 in this draft, but like a lot of players in the first round. Don't love the pick swaps being floated too much either, but I'd be well up for the right pick swap.

Where would people rate the value of picks 1 and 2 if:

1 and 13 to Essendon for 5,6 their and their f1.

Is this too lop sided for us? Feels about right to me but I'd throw in one of our future seconds potentially. I don't see Duursma as being anything particularly outstanding and also don't really see a clear need for him in our 22. I can see nightmare scenarios where Harley goes home in 2028 and Duursma in 2029 and having to restart our rebuild. Just not a good idea messing with Victoria pick 1's in the age of 2 million dollar seasons. 5.6. F1 is worth more to us than Durrsma and 13. The loyalty you are going to get out of a player taken at 5 and 6 is a safer bet, for negligible long term difference in talent or ability or ceiling. To Essendon, I can see them viewing Duursma as a marquee player who is central to their list build. To us he's just another draftee really. I'd do this trade without a second thought.

Then I'm doing something similar with 2. And we ave 2 options.

2 to Melbourne for 7 and their f1. That would be ideal. We take 5.6.7 in the draft and also have 3 first round picks next year in the top 10.

But, thats maybe too harsh on Melbourne unless they are really into CDT or Robey. So Carlton comes into focus. If they can get 2 they get ahead of any Dean bids.

2 to Carlton for 9 and their f1. Personally I'm not sure the 2 for 5.6 deal isn't daylight robbery, but 9 plus a pick that could be in the pick 5 -10 range next I think it's mostly fair. For Carlton to get a top 2 pick ahead of the Dean bids when they need to sell 9 or 11 anyway is worth parting with their f1. Pick 2 this year is the highest they are going to get in this or next years draft.

We take 5.6.7 or 5.6.9 in the draft and get whoever you want. For me I'm taking Sharp, Grlj, Dovaston but I don't really care if it's only 2 out of the 3 and it's Cumming or Farrow or whoever. 6 players inside the top 10 over 2 drafts, **** the so called top rated player.

I like the idea of more picks = more chance of success.
However the fact that no one can settle on a similar top 10 means the spread idea is fraught with danger. In a vacuum you are taking Hodge (1) vs Polak(4), Clarke(5) & Sampi(6). And that was in the strongest draft of all time without any bidding.

Duursma while being the "best" at the moment is also the surest to be at least a decent 150+ gamer. From where I sit, there's proper bust potential for a lot of guys mooted to go top 10 with Taylor & Cumming being top of the list.

 

[Bradis]

I cannot show you in righting but I can tell you that at Richmond’s draft strategy to coterie members it was declared that next years draft was considered way better than this years and provided they could get suitable trade(s), would move picks. At the same time they emphasised that there were a number of draftees next year that they believed to be of higher quality at the top end than this year.

You can believe what you want. But even Cal Twomey has stated this is considered a poor draft year.

Thanks for keeping things civil.

Most of the reports I have seen talk about the depth of this draft being low, more than the quality at the top end. Twomey mentioned this about two months ago, Dylan Alexander does a few pieces on this and rates this draft in line with 2023. What he does mention though is that there is a higher number of Utility / Multi Line players in the top end this year compared to 2023 which was more midfielder heavy. This I think has put a cloud on people's perceptions because some players you can't pin exactly what their role will be at the next level (CDT as case example).

Adding to this there has been a significant shift over the past two years in the fitness and work rate required at U18's plus more of a focus on flexibility of draftees across positions driven by recruiting managers. Running ability is now a key component of being a top draftee and out of interest go see how many of the projected top 10 picks ranked in the top 10 of the 2km time trial in previous years. It's rarely more than 1 or 2 while this year its 5 if you put Schubert in that bracket.

Adding to this, is that 4 of the top 10 will be Academy / FS tied which has skewed the outlook but this could end up the same next year, especially if Cochrane gets NGA approved (even worse it will be the top 2 picks on current performance). However, the new draft rules requiring two picks to match should reduce the burden and open up the draft.

Honestly, I like the look of this draft and think there is some amazing potential up to around pick 28 with some gems that could fall up to pick 40.

I won't go into details on all of them but for context to the above;

• Duursma is a perfect fit for the modern game and ticks all the boxes. Some say he wouldn't be top 5 in past three years but assessed on current game style would argue as a lock in top 3 each year.
• On the flip side Greeves and Sharp would be almost instant locks in top 10 past 5 years based on statistics except now the game has changed and has led to major uncertainty in this style of player. (Not agreeing with this by the way just presenting the argument)
• Patterson could be the player of this draft and I think got moved a bit too much between defence and half forward. As a pure mid all year could have been in pick 1 discussion, the sidestep and vision is just awesome.
• Thredgold could be an absolute steal when considered in a few years' time. Have not seen much vision but huge upside if he can get the disposal sorted when on the move.
• NHH could be anything and honestly like the look of him more than FOS from last year especially after the wet weather game
• Dovaston has posted probably the best season for a small forward and looks an absolute weapon
• Schubert ticks the boxes of the modern key forward who will outwork the opposition defence and great field kicking
• Beau Addinsal and Sam Swadling putting up ball pig numbers in both U18's and VFL/WAFL and not even featured in the first round most times because disposal and hurt factor is now far more heavily assessed than years gone by

Anyways just my two cents but I am also a major optimist so glass half full and all that

 

[eaglevision]

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Fred Rodriguez was a top 3 prospect according to this board this time last year

Yep, I still want Fred. I am also willing to melt hard if we don’t get Fred, for the sake of WC big footy of course.
What’s a draft without a melt?

 

[ThePuma #9]

I think people best start wrapping their heads around the idea we are taking picks 1 & 2 to the draft and will be selecting Duursma and CDT.

Come to peace with it now, then you can enjoy the night.

 

[Astro7]

I think people best start wrapping their heads around the idea we are taking picks 1 & 2 to the draft and will be selecting Duursma and CDT.

Come to peace with it now, then you can enjoy the night.

Either/Or....at peace.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Naitanui at training today as the ruck coach, looks like CDT will be learning from the best right from the start.

 

[SAweagle]

Missed a day or two and the thread ballooned 20 pages, is there anything worth reading in there or just more of the same?

Sharp-CDT-Sharp-CDT-Split-CDT-Sharp-CDT-Sharp-Split-CDT-Sharp ect ect and so on and so forth

 

[kane249]

Naitanui at training today as the ruck coach, looks like CDT will be learning from the best right from the start.

NN: Lesson 1, jump really high

CDT: ummmmm

 

[txbyhull]

NN: Lesson 1, jump really high

CDT: ummmmm

He’s just outside the top 10 of this class, people think because he wasn’t 1 that the kid can’t jump over an ant hill

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Naitanui at training today as the ruck coach, looks like CDT will be learning from the best right from the start.

Naitanui will be terrible. Jump really high, stop mid-air and look for Shuey Harley.

 

[KERRPOW]

i thought natanui knocked back the ruck coaching role?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

He’s just outside the top 10 of this class, people think because he wasn’t 1 that the kid can’t jump over an ant hill

Naitanui had a running vertical leap of 102cm, so if Duff man missed the top 10 in the 2025 combine, then Naitanui has 20cm on him before you take into account any height and reach advantage Naitanui has.

Obviously, it's not relevant when you can't time his jumps effectively like Bailey Williams.

 

[txbyhull]

Naitanui had a running vertical leap of 102cm, so if Duff man missed the top 10 in the 2025 combine, then Naitanui has 20cm on him before you take into account any height and reach advantage Naitanui has.

Obviously, it's not relevant when you can't time his jumps effectively like Bailey Williams.

this is like saying Jobe Shanahan is shit because he’s not Buddy

 

[Knifey Spoony]

If the Pick 9 deal with the Blues comes true, there looks to be some good options on the board of even a good slider. Any thoughts who we might be looking at?

 

[PremiershipNo4]

i thought natanui knocked back the ruck coaching role?

Was apparently at training today with a coaches top on taking the rucks through their paces.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Naitanui had a running vertical leap of 102cm, so if Duff man missed the top 10 in the 2025 combine, then Naitanui has 20cm on him before you take into account any height and reach advantage Naitanui has.

Obviously, it's not relevant when you can't time his jumps effectively like Bailey Williams.

Remind me how many flags Nic Nat won with his 102cm vertical?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Remind me how many flags Nic Nat won with his 102cm vertical?

That's a strange hill to die on no matter what way you look at it.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Remind me how many flags Nic Nat won with his 102cm vertical?

Hey, gtfo

 

[FatPizza]

Remind me how many flags Nic Nat won with his 102cm vertical?

It's not like any shit players have won a flag before right?

 

[Bender_]

If the Pick 9 deal with the Blues comes true, there looks to be some good options on the board of even a good slider. Any thoughts who we might be looking at?

My preference for a slider is generally beef, but I don't mind fried chicken as a change. Hopefully they come with fries.

 

[FatPizza]

My preference for a slider is generally beef, but I don't mind fried chicken as a change. Hopefully they come with fries.

Pulled pork is the best.