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List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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Where things stand

List Openings:
• 5 Primary list
• 4 Rookie list - Cat A
• 1 Rookie list - Cat B

Draft Picks:
• R1: 1,2,13
• R2: 34,41
• RD: 1

Picks 1,2:

• Willem Duursma is all but locked in as the No.1 draft pick for 2025
• West Coast haven’t entirely ruled out trading pick 2 but it’s unlikely and they are yet to receive any offers for it
• It is anticipated that West Coast will make a bid for Zeke Uwland (GC Academy) with pick 2 and then possibly a bid on Harry Dean (Carlton F/S) after that.
• Further bids on either Dylan Patterson (GC Academy) or Dan Annable (BL Academy), whilst possible, seem unlikely at this stage
• Cooper Duff-Tytler is the most likely player to be selected with the Eagle’s second pick- very few, if any, media reports have West Coast linked to anyone else so we’re near certainties to take CDT or have performed some world class misdirection

Pick 13

• West Coast remain in discussions with Carlton to move pick 13 up the order to pick 9 using pick 34 and/or 41, but there’s been little progress so far or detail on what a trade might look like
• Other clubs (Adelaide, St Kilda, Essendon and potentially Collingwood) are also exploring a trade for Carlton’s pick 9 or 11, however, any trade is not expected until a bid is lodged for Harry Dean. Carlton may decide not to trade either pick at all depending on the timing of the Dean bid as when it comes will significantly influence their options
• The presumed target for a trade up the order is Jacob Farrow from West Perth, however he is also being linked to Essendon (picks 5,6) and Melbourne (picks 7,8) before that pick so might not be available
• If a trade for pick 9 isn’t completed, pick 13 will likely become either the 11th or 12th pick in the open pool depending on what Carlton do with picks 9 and 11 when matching the expected Dean bid
• There is very little/no information in the media on an alternative option to Farrow with our third pick - regardless of whether it’s moved up the order or stays where it is - so our ability to keep our intentions out of the media has been impressive
• As many as 10 players are a possibility with our third pick depending on trades and picks prior to ours - Farrow, Sharp, Grlj, Dovaston, Lindsay, O Taylor, Hibbins-Hargreaves, Nairn, Barker or Schubert would be viable selections in therange the pick will fall. There has been a loose connection to Latrelle Pickett from Glenelg and suggestions we’ve put some work into Beau Addinsall (GC Academy) as possible targets

Picks 34/41

Due to bids on academy and F/S players early in the draft and picks lost matching those bids, including possible pick swaps to generate additional points, these two picks will likely be in the 28-30 and 35-37 range respectively before other bids start late R1/early R2

There are numerous possibilities on what happens with these two picks:

• One, or both, picks might be used to trade pick 13 up to pick 9 which may or may not include a pick coming back from Carlton (they hold picks 43 and 54 currently)
• One, or both, picks might be used matching a bid on our NGA player, Tylah Williams, which reportedly could come as early as GWS (pick 12) or more likely from Fremantle’s pick 20 onwards. It is unclear how early West Coast would match any bid, but I doubt they’d match one from GWS with their first pick
• Make a fourth live draft selection based on who is left on our draft board, although as with pick 13, there’s been very little discussion around who we would be targeting with this pick - possibly because the media assumption is we will match a bid on Williams. We would have to guess who’s likely to still be available with our pick should we decide not to match
• In the unlikely event, a bid for Williams doesn’t come before pick 34 we might use that pick then match a bid for Williams when one comes or trade the pick into 2026 depending on who’s still available
• It’s not been raised in the media, but there is also a possibility we trade either, or both, of these picks into 2026 or combine them to move further up the draft order slightly. This would depend on plans around our own NGA and F/S players we’ve nominated and would only happen if we don’t intend to match a Williams bid prior to pick 37

F/S and NGA Nominations

• We’ve nominated Tylah Williams, Koby Evans and Wes Walley as selections from our Next Generation Academy plus Charlie Banfield (son of Drew) as a F/S. This gives us the right to match a bid on any of these players during the primary draft or add them directly to our rookie list if a bid doesn’t eventuate but we aren’t obligated to do so.
• To match a bid requires the following:
  • Picks 1-18: The points value of the pick less a 10% discount
  • Picks 19-36: The points value of the pick less a fixed 84 point discount
  • Pick 37 onwards: Next available pick regardless of points but, most importantly, only if there’s an available primary list spot. We have 5 open spots, 3 of which will be filled with our R1 picks, meaning we will only be able to match a maximum of 2 bids
• Expectations on when bids will be lodged:
  • Williams: As discussed a bid might come as early as R1 and in the 19-36 range. If we’ve retained picks 34 and 41 we would have sufficient points to match a bid from late R1 onwards. However, if we’ve traded pick 34 then where pick 41 lands on the night likely only covers a pick around 30 onwards. Trading both picks would mean it’s unlikely we’d be able to match a bid before 37 unless we used a future pick to trade back in
  • Evans and Banfield: A bid on either player isn’t expected before pick 37, if at all. That means points won’t be required to match a bid but an open list spot will - it’s likely we’ll have used a fourth selection by this point (either by matching a Williams bid or using a live pick) so we’d be in a position to only cover a bid on one player, not both. If there’s no bid on one, or both, they can (and will) be added to the rookie list after the draft - Banfield as a Cat A and Evans as a Cat B
  • Walley: It would be a surprise if a bid comes for Walley meaning we’d be able to add him to our Cat B rookie list post draft. However, there is only one vacant Cat B spot so if Evans also goes through without a bid we would need to move Malakai Champion onto the Cat A rookie list in order to add both. That would swallow up a Cat A opening the club might have other plans for so it’s possible Walley is only listed if a bid is made on Evans

Rookie List - Cat A

As mentioned above, we have 4 Cat A rookie list openings:

• Dev Robertson has committed to joining the club as a SSP signing post draft, which has effectively been confirmed by the club, so he will take one spot
• Finn Macrae has been reported by Josh Gabelich on the AFL website to have done the same so, although this has yet been confirmed by the club, he will take up the second spot. If the report is incorrect then this will be another DFA instead
• The club seemingly intends to leave one spot open to find a player via a train on process like they did with Sandy Brock last offseason - Harry Schoenberg (ex Adelaide) is one possibility we’ve been linked to
• We have first pick in the Rookie draft so it’s probable we look to select a player we like who has slipped through the main draft - based on our overall intake i suspect this would be a KPP or ruck option
• Depending on if/where Banfield, Evans and/or Walley end up on our list one of the latter two options might not eventuate - we can have a max of 4 from the 5 possible options of those three players, pick 1 in the RD and a train on option. (Assumes we take a fourth player in the draft - either Williams or a draft pick)

Likely Outcome

• Willem Duursma - definite
• Cooper Duff-Tytler - near certain
• Pick from the 12-16 draft range overall (Hope for Sharp as the best possible result)
• Tylah Williams - probable matched bid
• Evans/Banfield or Banfield/Walley or Evans/Walley - one of those three combinations a near certainty.
• RD Pick 1 - KPP/Ruck
• Deven Robertson
• Finn Macrae
• Train on option (possibly Harry Schoenberg) or Wes Walley
 
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Keys said:
Where things stand

List Openings:
• 5 Primary list
• 4 Rookie list - Cat A
• 1 Rookie list - Cat B

Draft Picks:
• R1: 1,2,13
• R2: 34,41
• RD: 1

Picks 1,2:

• Willem Duursma is all but locked in as the No.1 draft pick for 2025
• West Coast haven’t entirely ruled out trading pick 2 but it’s unlikely they will and they are yet to receive any offers for it
• It is anticipated that West Coast will make a bid for Zeke Uwland (GC Academy) with pick 2 and then possibly a bid on Harry Dean (Carlton F/S) after that.
• Further bids on either Dylan Patterson (GC Academy) or Dan Annable (BL Academy), whilst possible, seem unlikely at this stage
• Cooper Duff-Tytler is the most likely player to be selected with the Eagle’s second pick- very few, if any, media reports have West Coast linked to anyone else so we’re near certainties to take CDT or have performed some world class misdirection

Pick 13

• West Coast remain in discussions with Carlton to move pick 13 up the order to pick 9 using pick 34 and/or 41, but there’s been little progress so far or detail on what a trade might look like
• Other clubs (Adelaide, St Kilda, Essendon and potentially Collingwood) are also exploring a trade for Carlton’s pick 9 or 11, however, any trade is not expected until a bid is lodged for Harry Dean. Carlton may decide not to trade either pick at all depending on the timing of the Dean bid as when it comes will significantly influence their options
• The presumed target for a trade up the order is Jacob Farrow from West Perth, however he is also being linked to Essendon (picks 5,6) and Melbourne (picks 7,8) before that pick so might not be available
• If a trade for pick 9 isn’t completed, pick 13 will likely become either the 11th or 12th pick in the open pool depending on what Carlton do with picks 9 and 11 when matching the expected Dean bid
• There is very little/no information in the media on an alternative option to Farrow with our third pick - regardless of whether it’s moved up the order or stays where it is - so our ability to keep our intentions out of the media has been impressive
• As many as 10 players are a possibility with our third pick depending on trades and picks prior to ours - Farrow, Sharp, Grlj, Dovaston, Lindsay, O Taylor, Hibbins-Hargreaves, Nairn, Barker or Schubert would be viable selections in range the pick will fall. There has even been a loose connection to Latrelle Pickett from Glenelg and suggestions we’ve put some work into Beau Addinsall (GC Academy) as possible targets

Picks 34/41

Due to bids on academy and F/S players early in the draft and picks lost matching those bids, including possible pick swaps to generate additional points, these two picks will likely be in the 28-30 and 35-37 range respectively before other bids start late R1/early R2

There are numerous possibilities on what happens with these two picks:

• One, or both, picks might be used to trade pick 13 up to pick 9 which may or may not include a pick coming back from Carlton (they hold picks 43 and 54 currently)
• One, or both, picks might be used matching a bid on our NGA player, Tylah Williams, which reportedly could come as early as GWS (pick 12) or more likely from Fremantle’s pick 20 onwards. It is unclear how early West Coast would match a bid but I doubt they’d match a bid from GWS with their first pick
• Make a fourth live draft selection based on who is left on our draft board, although as with pick 13, there’s been very little discussion around who we would be targeting with this pick - possibly because the media assumption is we will match a bid on Williams. We would have to guess who’s likely to still be available with our pick should we decide not to match
• It’s not been raised in the media, but there is also a possibility we trade either, or both, of these picks into 2026 or combine them to move further up the draft order slightly. This would depend on plans around our own NGA and F/S players we’ve nominated and would only happen if we don’t intend to match a Williams bid prior to pick 37

F/S and NGA Nominations

• We’ve nominated Tylah Williams, Koby Evans and Wes Walley as selections from our Next Generation Academy plus Charlie Banfield (son of Drew) as a F/S. This gives us the right to match a bid on any of these players during the primary draft or add them directly to our rookie list if a bid doesn’t eventuate but we aren’t obligated to do so.
• To match a bid requires the following:

• Expectations on when bids will be lodged:


Rookie List - Cat A

As mentioned above, we have 4 Cat A rookie list openings:

• Dev Robertson has committed to joining the club as a SSP signing post draft, which has effectively been confirmed by the club, so he will take one spot
• Finn Macrae has been reported by Josh Gabelich on the AFL website to have done the same so, although this has yet been confirmed by the club, he will take up the second spot. If the report is incorrect then this will be another DFA instead
• The club seemingly intends to leave one spot open to find a player via a train on process like they did with Sandy Brock last offseason - Harry Schoenberg (ex Adelaide) is one possibility we’ve been linked to
• We have first pick in the Rookie draft so it’s probable we look to select a player we like who has slipped through the main draft - based on our overall intake i suspect this would be a KPP or ruck option
• Depending on if/where Banfield, Evans and/or Walley end up on our list one of the latter two options might not eventuate - we can have a max of 4 from the 5 possible options of those three players, pick 1 in the RD and a train on option. (Assumes we take a fourth player in the draft - either Williams or a draft pick)

Likely Outcome

• Willem Duursma - definite
• Cooper Duff-Tytler - near certain
• Pick from the 12-16 draft range overall (Hope for Sharp as the best possible result)
• Tylah Williams - probable matched bid
• Evans/Banfield or Banfield/Walley or Evans/Walley - one of those three combinations a near certainty.
• RD Pick 1 - KPP/Ruck
• Deven Robertson
• Finn Macrae
• Train on option (possibly Harry Schoenberg) or Wes Walley[/b]
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Excellent summary Keys
 
txbyhull said:
Can any of our stout Tylah Williams lovers please explain to me the vision / the logic on why we would match a bid on him if its not in the mid to late 30s?
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Because we aren't spending pick 20~ on him. We would be using a pick/picks in the mid to late 30s to draft him, so if you think he is worth a mid 30s pick it still makes sense to match
 

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Because we aren't spending pick 20~ on him. We would be using a pick/picks in the mid to late 30s to draft him, so if you think he is worth a mid 30s pick it still makes sense to match
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I suppose, but it all depends on who would end up available with our natural fourth pick. There's a LOT of players I'd be taking before Williams, especially if we match him and can't get Evans or Banfield. Those 2 should be the priority for the club
 
If the club have only just announced the re-signing of Cripps, is it possible that we were waiting on his decision before opening a main list spot (i.e. if he didn't extend, we wouldn't have to demote someone)?

I believe there remains a window for list changes prior to draft selections?
 
txbyhull said:
I suppose, but it all depends on who would end up available with our natural fourth pick. There's a LOT of players I'd be taking before Williams, especially if we match him and can't get Evans or Banfield. Those 2 should be the priority for the club
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I'm mucking around with Pommy's draft simulator and saw what you did in the WCE mock draft and I'm wondering if we try to jump North for Thredgold.
 
Barrybran said:
I'm mucking around with Pommy's draft simulator and saw what you did in the WCE mock draft and I'm wondering if we try to jump North for Thredgold.
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Thredgold is great, but I don't think we pull the trigger. David Shanahan already 196 at 16 coming through the NGA, and there's also a good WA KPD next year available as well (edit: Mitchell Stirling)
 
txbyhull said:
I suppose, but it all depends on who would end up available with our natural fourth pick. There's a LOT of players I'd be taking before Williams, especially if we match him and can't get Evans or Banfield. Those 2 should be the priority for the club
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If he's bid on at say pick 25 though, there's still 9ish picks (dunno how many it'd actually be with all the bid matching) from there until we get to pick at 34. So, we wouldn't know for certain that a player we have above Williams on our rankings will still be available so it could be smart to play it safe and match the bid on Williams.
FWIW I also really want us to end up with Evans & Banfield.

It's funny thinking back to last year where we only had Champion to worry about, he was probably considered a similarish range to what Banfield & Evans are this year. As in could be bid on anywhere from around pick 30 or might not be bid on at all and in the end he wasn't (although it was a deeper draft). I'll be really annoyed if we stuff this up and miss out on one of Evans or Banfield, they seem like players with so much upside that we can get for a token pick.
 
Underdog said:
If the club have only just announced the re-signing of Cripps, is it possible that we were waiting on his decision before opening a main list spot (i.e. if he didn't extend, we wouldn't have to demote someone)?

I believe there remains a window for list changes prior to draft selections?
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You're giving them too much credit mate. They clearly just forgot to post it publicly.
 

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Underdog said:
If the club have only just announced the re-signing of Cripps, is it possible that we were waiting on his decision before opening a main list spot (i.e. if he didn't extend, we wouldn't have to demote someone)?

I believe there remains a window for list changes prior to draft selections?
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I listened to Pyke when he was asked by Duffield whether Cripps had signed. His response was to the effect "oh yep that has happened, hasnt that been announced? i'll make sure it is" (and the gist of what he was saying it happened a while ago and we had just forgotten to announce).
 
Do we trade in a late pick at some stage (or have a plan to) if one of the F-S / NGA players get an opportunistic/unexpected late selection?
 
I know I'm stupid but can I just check.

If we want Sharp (after Duursma and CDT), is our best option to trade with Carlton (9 for 13 and 34 or 41, or we bid on Harry Dean).

That gets us to 9 and we need Essendon and Richmond to not want Sharp. Correct?

If it is correct, how sure are we that they won't go for him?
 
swingdog said:
I know I'm stupid but can I just check.

If we want Sharp (after Duursma and CDT), is our best option to trade with Carlton (9 for 13 and 34 or 41, or we bid on Harry Dean).

That gets us to 9 and we need Essendon and Richmond to not want Sharp. Correct?

If it is correct, how sure are we that they won't go for him?
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Bidding works well but puts us behind GWS and Hawks still. Trading gets us ahead of GWS and Hawks

Bidding moves us 2 picks forward (13 to 11)
Trading moves us from 13 to 9

All that said, bidding is free though. So it might be a trade off of 9 for 11 + Williams
 
Underdog said:
If the club have only just announced the re-signing of Cripps, is it possible that we were waiting on his decision before opening a main list spot (i.e. if he didn't extend, we wouldn't have to demote someone)?

I believe there remains a window for list changes prior to draft selections?
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I really hope so because from everything I’ve read and the highlights I’ve watched, don’t want to miss on Evan’s and Banfield.
 

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BartBart said:
Do we trade in a late pick at some stage (or have a plan to) if one of the F-S / NGA players get an opportunistic/unexpected late selection?
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The issue with Banfield and Evans is, and always has been, insufficient list spots. We had picks 53 and 58 but traded 53 for a F4 and lost 58 altogether because we only had 5 spots. Meant that we can only take 5 picks to the draft - 1,2,13,34,41

Unless we trade out picks 34 and 41 to move up the order or into next year such that we don’t/can’t match a Williams bid or use a 4th pick then we won’t be in a position to match a bid on both Banfield and Evans if they eventuate

And the window for list changes has closed so that’s what we’re stuck with as for whatever reason the club deemed it unnecessary to open up a 6th list spot
 
Keys said:
The issue with Banfield and Evans is, and always has been, insufficient list spots. We had picks 53 and 58 but traded 53 for a F4 and lost 58 altogether because we only had 5 spots. Meant that we can only take 5 picks to the draft - 1,2,13,34,41

Unless we trade out picks 34 and 41 to move up the order or into next year such that we don’t/can’t match a Williams bid or use a 4th pick then we won’t be in a position to match a bid on both Banfield and Evans if they eventuate

And the window for list changes has closed so that’s what we’re stuck with as for whatever reason the club deemed it unnecessary to open up a 6th list spot
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It is astounding that a list as poor as ours is struggling for list spots. Part of the club's issue over the past 5 years or so is that we havent been ruthless enough. You see the players other sides delist and often they are far better players than the ones we keep on with seemingly blind faith - only to delist in a year or two anyway.

I mean even a poor list in Port delisted Ryan Burton. There is a good chance he'd be in our starting 23....
 
TOA. said:
It is astounding that a list as poor as ours is struggling for list spots. Part of the club's issue over the past 5 years or so is that we havent been ruthless enough. You see the players other sides delist and often they are far better players than the ones we keep on with seemingly blind faith - only to delist in a year or two anyway.

I mean even a poor list in Port delisted Ryan Burton. There is a good chance he'd be in our starting 23....
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We have turned over nearly half the list in the last 3 years. Most of the deadwood is gone its now just kids who need time to prove themselves. Not sure what people expect
 
TOA. said:
It is astounding that a list as poor as ours is struggling for list spots. Part of the club's issue over the past 5 years or so is that we havent been ruthless enough. You see the players other sides delist and often they are far better players than the ones we keep on with seemingly blind faith - only to delist in a year or two anyway.

I mean even a poor list in Port delisted Ryan Burton. There is a good chance he'd be in our starting 23....
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We have made a lot of changes in the last 3-4 years, in 22 and 23 we had 9 new players at the end of each and in 2024 we had 12 new players. Most of these were youngsters.
This year it looks like around 10-11 more new players. That is a lot of new guys to assess and get to start gelling.
 


Primary List: 32

Rookie List: 7 (+1 Cat B Rookie)

Available List Spots: 8

National Draft Hand: 1, 2, 13, 34, 41, 53, 58, 80, 98

Committed Players: Fin Macrae (DFA), Deven Robertson (DFA)

Available F/S & Academy Players: Koby Evans (NGA), Tylah Williams (NGA), Wes Walley (NGA), Charlie Banfield (F/S)

West Coast has extra rookie list spots as part of its concessions, and have already committed to ex-Magpie Fin Macrae and former Lion Dev Robertson. They’ve also landed Brandon Starcevich from Brisbane and Tylar Young in the trade period. Outside of that, the Eagles are expected to match bids on all of their tied players. Tyrell Dewar was promoted to the senior list.


Doesn’t seem to add up.
 
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