List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[gilbp33]

Are we at all interested in Collins at 13? 2nd best KPD in the draft. Topped the clean hands test at the combine. Cal Twomey and Paige reckon he's pick 15 onwards (not sure if that includes the academy players).

Excluding academy players, I think there's probably 13 players that suit a need / are better footballers than Collins, so probably no. Having said that if we had a high teens pick I'd have no issues taking him, looks like he will develop into a pretty handy player.

 

[Danger Zone]

I really like the look of Collins, but would be very surprised if we drafted him.

We just committed more time to Otten and Shaw, plus we have 2 first round KPD on our list. Our picks will be 2 mids/HFF/HBF unless someone like McKay, Weideman or Curnow is available.

Think Collins will go between 14 and 21 and someone will get a bargain.

 

[Mismatched]

I agree, but I hope we still get someone decent at 13, I see our key fwd depth as very weak, despite our starting 6 being amazing. But I'm not convinced HMckay is the answer, nor am I convinced that a decent fwd will be available at 13.
I'd be happy rookie-ing a couple of raw or mature key fwds if we draft 2 mids.

McKay's an interesting one, seems to have been a genuine late developer and only just makes the age cut-off for this years draft. He's certainly a risky prospect though, as most talls are. Having said that, it would not surprise if he's gone by our first pick. With a supposed midfielders draft next year, the clubs picking before us will be looking to sure up their key position stocks whilst there's decent prospects available. McKay reminds me a fair bit of Tom Lynch from the Suns.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

So Vader has gone from Lyons to Crouch now. I wonder which one of our picks 9 or 13 will be his next whipping boy after they havent cemented a spot before their 23rd birthday. In Crouches case before his 21st birthday.

Vader is a staunch protector of the old guard. Glad he's not our development coach

 

[Crowbots are dead]

We've mostly always thought that way anyway .......Henderson has got a wee bit better, and Tambling was the most outside player the Crows have ever had

Yep he was mostly outside of the team.

 

[Tex Danger]

im not sure who we want but we will end up with Jpod and Birdman

 

[DJ75]

Its a big year for both Dear and Ramsey IMO. If they stand up then our KPF depth looks fine, if they don't then both may be delisted and we are back to nothing.

Dear, Ramsey & Lowden.

one of them must stake a claim on key forward spot in SANFL and dominate Pods style.

 

[ADL9798]

Those highlights look pretty bad but his highlights on the afl draft machine have turned me a bit.

http://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-machine.workstation

Extra highlights for Ryan Burton on there too if anyone wants to have a look. Gee he looks a class act. Reminds me of Tex in a few of those clips where he takes the ball at half forward - one of those players who seems to be able to slow the tempo of the game around them through his balance, composure under pressure and quality of disposal.

I think he'll be the most interesting one to watch on draft night in terms of where he's taken. Quite clearly a natural footballer, and from the sounds of things a near certainty in terms of talent to be a quality player at AFL level, but what impact that injury will have on the longevity of his career remains unknown.

Given the involvement of the articular surface of his knee it seems likely that at some stage he'll suffer from early onset arthritis in that joint, although the timing and progression of that condition varies from individual to individual, and obviously we don't have access to his scans or medical reports so it's difficult to pass judgement on his prognosis other than to say drafting him does come with an element of risk.

However, as has been pointed out, nearly every player in the draft carries some element of risk be it attitude, talent, size, go home factor, injuries, scope for improvement etc that needs to be weighed up against their positive attributes. Recruiters will be assessing these trade offs on every single player as they draw up their preference lists, and while from the sounds of things Burton's risk is significant, so is the reward his talent offers to whoever is willing to take a punt on him.

 

[Mismatched]

Dear, Ramsey & Lowden.

one of them must stake a claim on key forward spot in SANFL and dominate Pods style.

I feel Dear is the one, if he can get a good preseason in and have a good run with injuries.

 

[crows dude]

I like Crouch a lot more than I do Lyons. I think Lyons is barely AFL standard. Crouch is definitely AFL standard and should have a long career, it's just that his ceiling is limited by his poor disposal.

I like both. but if we would compare them as inside midfielders lets see

Lyons is better at first touch of ruckmans hand.
Lyons is a better kick
Lyons is cleaner

But lets write him off as the previous coaches prefered to play the 27-30 year olds instead of a developing 19, 20, 21, 22 year old. That is to be expected. Unless the kid is a top 10 pick

He is 23 next year. I would like this to be the year that Thommo, VB MAckay step aside for B Crouch, M Crouch and Lyons.

Lyons 2012 played 3 games
2013 played 9 games
2014 played 10 games
2015 played 13 games

So he has improved in games played each year. I am hoping that this year now the sub rule has gone (thank God) he will show us all what he is capable of.

 

[huludicidal]

So let's think about these picks rationally.

Before our first selection, 8 non-academy kids will be drafted.

What we know for a virtual fact at this stage (barring a late injury) is that 5 of those 8 selections will be Weitering, Schache, Parish, Weideman and Curnow.

This leaves 3 more to be selected. Francis, McKay, Oliver, Milera, Mathieson and Collins appear among the most likely. Maybe there's a late bolter. Who knows.

To me, the worst case scenario for us is that these 3 remaining selections before ours are Francis, Milera and Oliver (just my opinion, not the AFC's I'd suggest). If this does happen, we'll surely take H McKay, who the club appears to be very keen on, so that hardly seems like a disaster. Personally I'm not a fan, but who knows. Maybe he'll develop into a star. I'd love to see us take any of Francis, Oliver or Milera ahead of McKay (in that order) if we have the opportunity though. If we take anyone else here I'll be stunned.

Now, there's actually only two non-academy selections between our picks 9 and 13. One to Carlton and one to Richmond. It appears pretty likely that Richmond will take Ah Chee - every year they are linked to someone and every year they select that player - at this stage Ah Chee seems to be their guy. If McKay is still on the board he'll go to the Blues but they may have already taken him with their previous selection, or maybe we've already got him by this stage. Either way, McKay ain't there at 13.

So it's probably likely that we'll be looking at one of Tucker, Mathieson, Hibberd, Collins, Balic, Cole, Gresham, R Clarke, Burton, Bonner or Partington here. A few of those probably won't even come into calculations at all but whatever.


So all things considered, I like any of the following outcomes the best:

Francis and Tucker
Oliver and Burton
Oliver and Tucker
Milera and Burton

However, I think by far the most likely outcome is probably:

McKay and Tucker

I can't get excited at all about H McKay at our first selection but our development of talls is second to none so I won't be too displeased with this result. I personally think Tucker can turn into a highly productive midfielder with dash (more than "just another half back flanker") so I reckon he's great value with our second pick.

I also think the club is ideally looking to take a mid and a forward with the two picks, and this will only change if Francis drops to us.

Less than two weeks to go now until arguably the most important draft in our club's history.

 

[Pugsley]

'This doesn't affect me in any way, but I'm offended by it'.

Your offensiveness is offensive.

 

[jirkago]

I think we should take Riley Bonner with 13. He will make it easy, can play midfield back and forward. Has a great kick and would slot in nicely, also offers great flexibility. With him, smith Seedsman and Hampton, I think they could rotate though half back wing and half forward.
This kid is gonna make it

 

[Pugsley]

Ah Chee has said he would like to be in the same town as his brother and playing for us would be an ideal scenario!

Bless you.

 

[Wouldbetackler]

Those highlights look pretty bad but his highlights on the afl draft machine have turned me a bit.

http://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-machine.workstation

On the draft machine one he looks ok

 

[Hodgy]

I also think the club is ideally looking to take a mid and a forward with the two picks, and this will only change if Francis drops to us.

Less than two weeks to go now until arguably the most important draft in our club's history.[/QUOTE]

I agree with most of your logic here except the last line. All drafts are important but this one I think is actually less important than most as firstly there just isn't much talent there (I mean if Mathieson is rated top ten then it is very shallow) and secondly we only have 2 picks. If we end up with Mackay and Tucker as you suggest then I can't really see it affecting our team much in the future at all.
Another thing that I have noticed with this draft is that there is very little consensus on players. I've seen Oliver rated anywhere from top 10 to, in the case of Callum Twomey, pick 23 and Ah Chee anywhere from 12 to about 30. It makes it a year that anyone, say Hawthorn at 15, could end up with a better player than the top few.
For mine this is a year to take a chance on a couple of high risk/ high reward types as the safer picks look fairly vanilla. Milera, Francis, Oliver, Ah Chee, Burton, Curnow and Weideman fit that bill.

 

[Tex Danger]

So let's think about these picks rationally.

Before our first selection, 8 non-academy kids will be drafted.

What we know for a virtual fact at this stage (barring a late injury) is that 5 of those 8 selections will be Weitering, Schache, Parish, Weideman and Curnow.

This leaves 3 more to be selected. Francis, McKay, Oliver, Milera, Mathieson and Collins appear among the most likely. Maybe there's a late bolter. Who knows.

To me, the worst case scenario for us is that these 3 remaining selections before ours are Francis, Milera and Oliver (just my opinion, not the AFC's I'd suggest). If this does happen, we'll surely take H McKay, who the club appears to be very keen on, so that hardly seems like a disaster. Personally I'm not a fan, but who knows. Maybe he'll develop into a star. I'd love to see us take any of Francis, Oliver or Milera ahead of McKay (in that order) if we have the opportunity though. If we take anyone else here I'll be stunned.

Now, there's actually only two non-academy selections between our picks 9 and 13. One to Carlton and one to Richmond. It appears pretty likely that Richmond will take Ah Chee - every year they are linked to someone and every year they select that player - at this stage Ah Chee seems to be their guy. If McKay is still on the board he'll go to the Blues but they may have already taken him with their previous selection, or maybe we've already got him by this stage. Either way, McKay ain't there at 13.

So it's probably likely that we'll be looking at one of Tucker, Mathieson, Hibberd, Collins, Balic, Cole, Gresham, R Clarke, Burton, Bonner or Partington here. A few of those probably won't even come into calculations at all but whatever.


So all things considered, I like any of the following outcomes the best:

Francis and Tucker
Oliver and Burton
Oliver and Tucker
Milera and Burton

However, I think by far the most likely outcome is probably:

McKay and Tucker

I can't get excited at all about H McKay at our first selection but our development of talls is second to none so I won't be too displeased with this result. I personally think Tucker can turn into a highly productive midfielder with dash (more than "just another half back flanker") so I reckon he's great value with our second pick.

I also think the club is ideally looking to take a mid and a forward with the two picks, and this will only change if Francis drops to us.

Less than two weeks to go now until arguably the most important draft in our club's history.

Nice insight

Any reason why you have Mathieson listed as a possible at 8 but not predicting anyone take him before or including us at 13 despite having players picked (e.g. Tucker) who you dont think are in the mix at 8? Ie why do you see Mathieson as in the mix for us at 8 but not Tucker yet us taking Tucker at 13 even Mathieson is in the mix (I know nothing about either so I'm guessing Mathieson could be a KPP and you dont think we would take 2 KPP)

 

[WaynesWorld19]

However, as has been pointed out, nearly every player in the draft carries some element of risk be it attitude, talent, size, go home factor, injuries, scope for improvement etc that needs to be weighed up against their positive attributes. Recruiters will be assessing these trade offs on every single player as they draw up their preference lists, and while from the sounds of things Burton's risk is significant, so is the reward his talent offers to whoever is willing to take a punt on him.

 

[grundog49]

Harry McKay please come to Adelaide.

 

[crowsarethebest]

I really like the look of Collins, but would be very surprised if we drafted him.

We just committed more time to Otten and Shaw, plus we have 2 first round KPD on our list. Our picks will be 2 mids/HFF/HBF unless someone like McKay, Weideman or Curnow is available.

Think Collins will go between 14 and 21 and someone will get a bargain.

Like the look of him too, just looks solid and as ready made to slot into AFL level for a KPP you can be. If we take Francis at 9 (if he's there), can't see us taking him though. If we don't get Francis then I'd be all for taking him at 13.

 

[Geoffa32]

Might open up opportunities for more AFL investigations into brother-to-brother chats?

Michael Talia st Sydney will be handy.

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[WaynesWorld19]

Like the look of him too, just looks solid and as ready made to slot into AFL level for a KPP you can be. If we take Francis at 9 (if he's there), can't see us taking him though. If we don't get Francis then I'd be all for taking him at 13.

Wouldn't you think if had plans to take a KPD, that we would have taken M.Talia as a FREE Hit?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Harry McKay please come to Adelaide.

Could end up being better than Schacke

 

[grundog49]

Could end up being better than Schacke

Highly doubtful bet you never know

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Are we at all interested in Collins at 13? 2nd best KPD in the draft. Topped the clean hands test at the combine. Cal Twomey and Paige reckon he's pick 15 onwards (not sure if that includes the academy players). Anderson has him gone before our first pick though.

He reminds me so much of truck and will have a similar career

We could do worse but we may have others