List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[Mismatched]

It is a huge risk taking a player whose had such a massive injury and has yet to play a game in over 18 months. Burton has had a large number of pins inserted into his leg (think it's ten). Apparently the injury was very substantial.
Does he even have any spring in his legs or how does it affect his kicking. No one knows because no ones seen him since the injury.
Sure high risk for high reward but a first round pick should not be that high risk a pick.
This is not like Lever,a knee reco is quite standard these days and players come back from them all the time.
Having said that if the Crows are considering taking him then I'm sure they'll do their due diligence.
A medical examination and a try out must be the minimal assessment you would subject him too.

Why take the risk when there are good picks on the board with no question marks by their name.
If we manage to snare 2 first round picks ( Dangerfield) then perhaps I would be more agreeable with the choice.

I'm guessing he'll be a slider unless clubs know more about how well he has recovered and are comfortable with that..

Technical point, it's 10 screws not pins.

Anyway, Tibial Plateau fractures are pretty horrible and I suspect he'll have some pretty average arthritis down the line as they involve the joint surface. He's got a long road back and given the injury, I'd be really worries spending a 1st on him.

 

[hey shorty]

Technical point, it's 10 screws not pins. Pins run down the shaft of the broken bone, generally used for Femur/Tibial shaft fractures, only really use 1 of them. Screws hold plates or bone fragments in place, Ryan would likely have 2 plates with 10 screws.

Anyway, Tibial Plateau fractures are pretty horrible and I suspect he'll have some pretty average arthritis down the line as they involve the joint surface. He's got a long road back and given the injury, I'd be really worries spending a 1st on him.

If he's still there at 28 or 32 (whichever one we keep) I'd pick him.

 

[DJ75]

He's a Gold coast academy kid from Southport.

Interesting that ended up there. In Year 8 he was on a scholarship at Scotch College in Melbourne.

I watched him play and absolutely dominate a game, all their coaches telling me he would be drafted.

I wasn't convinced. He was basically a man in terms of physical development. He was bigger, stronger, faster and more athletic. It allowed him to dominate. I didn't think he was actually that good though.

I wonder why he ended up in QLD?

 

[Pugsley]

Interesting that ended up there. In Year 8 he was on a scholarship at Scotch College in Melbourne.

I watched him play and absolutely dominate a game, all their coaches telling me he would be drafted.

I wasn't convinced. He was basically a man in terms of physical development. He was bigger, stronger, faster and more athletic. It allowed him to dominate. I didn't think he was actually that good though.

I wonder why he ended up in QLD?

Might be wondering didymus something.

 

[Captain Furious]

You're thinking of hibberd ....reckon he's more in mix for pick 13 or even if we can trade up our 28 and Kerridge for pick 20 . His testing was phenomenal . 15.7 beep , won kicking test etc he's 19 and injury prone , I wouldn't take him until pick 20ish if we can get another pick there. Good player

Bicks boy Darcy tucker tested well 2.98 20m , 15.3 beep and 10.19 in 3km which makes him one of best runners in draft , strangely his agility didn't test that well

At the risk of another Bicks Tucker rant; his poor agility testing seems about right seeing his struggles when moved from half back to the midfield this year. May be more a straight ahead running half back. Hope we don't go there.

Doubt Hibberd would be in the mix as early as 13.

 

[DJ75]

Might be wondering didymus something.

Well played.

 

[DJ75]

I'd be very interested to hear some comparison of the types of players we could get at 5 compared to 9 & 13. Would be really interested to hear who would be in the mix there.

 

[Niximus]

I had a look at our National Draft history

1
2
3
4
5
6
7 2000 (Laurence Angwin)
8 2004 (John Meesen)
9
10 2007 (Patrick Dangerfield) 2008 (Phil Davis)
11
12 2001 (Brent Reilly)
13 1996 (Tom Gilligan) 2009 (Daniel Talia)
14 2003 (Fergus Watts) 2006 (James Sellar) 2010 (Brodie Smith) 2014 (Jake Lever)
15
16 1998 (Brett Burton) 2005 (Richard Douglas)
17 1997 (Lance Picioane) 2005 (Darren Pfeiffer)
18 1995 (Brent Williams)
19
20
21
22
23 2013 (Matt Crouch)
24 2004 (Nathan Van Berlo)
25
26 1992 (Martin McKinnon)
27 1994 (Toby Kennett) 1995 (Kane Johnson) 2007 (Andy Otten) 2011 (Sam Kerridge)
28 2004 (Chad Gibson) 2008 (Shaun McKernan)
29 1998 (Tyson Stenglein) 2009 (Jack Gunston)
30 2007 (Jarrhan Jacky)
31 1994 (Allen Nash) 2003 (Joshua Krueger)
32 1998 (David Gallagher) 2002 (Luke Jericho) 2005 (Bernie Vince) 2006 (Kurt Tippett)
33 1997 (James Thiessen)
34 1998 (Bryan Beinke)
35 2014 (Harrison Wigg)
36 1999 (Rhett Biglands)
37
38 1994 (Matthew Collins) 2000 (Michael Handby) 2007 (Myke Cook)
39
40 2004 (Ivan Maric)
41 1992 (Brook Fogden) 2011 (Mitchell Grigg)
42
43 2014 (Mitch McGovern)
44 1993 (Eugene Warrior) 1995 (Scott Hodges) 2001 (Ben Finnin) 2008 (Rory Sloane)
45 2009 (Sam Shaw)
46 2011 (Nicholas Joyce) 2013 (Riley Knight)
47
48 1998 (Lucas Herbert) 2000 (Matthew Smith) 2005 (Alan Obst) 2006 (David MacKay)
49 1997 (Ian Perrie)
50 1994 (Brett Higgins)
51 1999 (Ricky O'Loughlin)
52 1995 (Adam Ugrinic)
53 2000 (Hayden Skipworth)
54
55
56 1992 (Matthew Powell) 2002 (Robert Shirley) 2004 (Chris Knights)
57
58 2003 (Ben Hudson) 2014 (Harry Dear)
59 2001 (Jacob Schuback)
60 1996 (Andrew Eccles) 2008 (Thomas Lee)
61 2009 (James Craig) 2010 (Jarryd Lyons)
62 2012 (Sam Siggins)
63 1998 (Clint Kirey)
64 2006 (Nick Gill) 2011 (Cameron Ellis-Yolmen)
65 1997 (Linden Stevens) 1999 (Justin Cicolella)
66
67 1997 (Robert Shirley) 2000 (Graham Johncock)
68 2002 (James Begley)
69 1995 (Ashley Fernee) 1996 (Chad Rintoul)
70
71 2007 (Aaron Kite)
72 2008 (Will Young)
73
74 2009 (Brodie Martin Promotion)
75 1998 (Ken McGregor) 2007 (Taylor Walker)
76 1996 (Greg Dempsey) 2013 (Kyle Hartigan Promotion)
77
78 2006 (Bryce Campbell)
79 1999 (Balraj Singh)
80 1998 (Brodie Atkinson)
81 2012 (Rory Atkins)
82 2010 (Ricky Henderson Promotion) 2011 (Matthew Wright Promotion)
83 1999 (Matthew Shir)
84
85
86 1992 (Sam Smart) 1996 (Ben Parker) 2013 (Rory Laird Promotion)
87
88
89 2011 (Aidan Riley Promotion)
90
91
92
93
94
95 2012 (Ian Callinan Promotion)
96
97 2010 (Matthew Jaensch Promotion)
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107 2010 (Luke Thompson Promotion)
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116 1992 (Michael Gooden)

1992 26, 41, 56, 86, 116 Martin Mckinnon, Brook Fogden, Matthew Powell, Sam Smart, Michael Gooden
1993 44 Eugene Warrior
1994 27, 31, 38, 50 Toby Kennett, Allen Nash, Matthew Collins, Brett Higgins
1995 18, 27, 44, 52, 69 Brent Williams, Kane Johnson, Scott Hodges, Adam Ugrinic, Ashley Fernee
1996 13, 60, 69, 76, 86 Tom Gilligan, Andrew Eccles, Chad Rintoul, Greg Dempsey, Ben Parker
1997 17, 33, 49, 65 Lance Picioane, James Theissen, Ian Perrie, Linden Stevens
1998 16, 29, 32, 34, 48, 63, 75, 80 Brett Burton, Tyson Stenglein, David Gallagher, Bryan Beinke, Lucas Herbert, Clint Kirey, Ken McGregor, Brodie Atkinson
1999 36, 51, 65, 67, 79, 83 Rhett Biglands, Ricky O'Loughlin, Justin Cicolella, Robert Shirley, Balraj Singh, Matthew Shir
2000 7, 38, 48, 53, 67 Laurence Angwin, Michael Handby, Matthew Smith, Hayden Skipworth, Graham Johncock
2001 12, 44, 59 Brent Reilly, Ben Finnin, Jacob Schuback
2002 32, 56, 68 Luke Jericho, Robert Shirley, James Begley
2003 14, 31, 58 Fergus Watts, Joshua Krueger, Ben Hudson
2004 8, 24, 28, 40, 56 John Meesen, Nathan Van Berlo, Chad Gibson, Ivan Maric, Chris Knights
2005 16, 17, 32, 48 Richard Douglas, Darren Pfeiffer, Bernie Vince, Alan Obst
2006 14, 32, 48, 64, 78 James Sellar, Kurt Tippett, David MacKay, Nick Gill, Bryce Campbell
2007 10, 27, 30, 38, 58, 71, 75 Patrick Dangerfield, Andy Otten, Jarrjan Jacky, Myke Cook, Tony Armstrong, Aaron Kite, Taylor Walker
2008 10, 28, 44, 60, 72 Phil Davis, Shaun McKernan, Rory Sloane, Thomas Lee, Will Young
2009 13, 29, 45, 61, 74 Daniel Talia, Jack Gunston, Sam Shaw, James Craig, Brodie Martin Promotion
2010 14, 61, 82, 97, 107 Brodie Smith, Jarryd Lyons, Ricky Henderson Promotion, Matthew Jaensch Promotion, Luke Thompson Promotion
2011 27, 41, 46, 64, 82, 89 Sam Kerridge, Mitchell Grigg, Nicholas Joyce, Cameron Ellis-Yolmen, Matthew Wright Promotion, Aidan Riley Promotion
2012 62, 81, 95 Sam Siggins, Rory Atkins, Ian Callinan Promotion
2013 23, 46, 76, 86 Matt Crouch, Riley Knight, Kyle Hartigan Promotion, Rory Laird Promotion
2014 14, 35, 43, 58 Jake Lever, Harrison Wigg, Mitch McGovern, Harry Dear

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I had a look at our National Draft history

1
2
3
4
5
6
7 2000 (Laurence Angwin)
8 2004 (John Meesen)
9
10 2007 (Patrick Dangerfield) 2008 (Phil Davis)
11
12 2001 (Brent Reilly)
13 1996 (Tom Gilligan) 2009 (Daniel Talia)
14 2003 (Fergus Watts) 2006 (James Sellar) 2010 (Brodie Smith) 2014 (Jake Lever)
15
16 1998 (Brett Burton) 2005 (Richard Douglas)
17 1997 (Lance Picioane) 2005 (Darren Pfeiffer)
18 1995 (Brent Williams)
19
20
21
22
23 2013 (Matt Crouch)
24 2004 (Nathan Van Berlo)
25
26 1992 (Martin McKinnon)
27 1994 (Toby Kennett) 1995 (Kane Johnson) 2007 (Andy Otten) 2011 (Sam Kerridge)
28 2004 (Chad Gibson) 2008 (Shaun McKernan)
29 1998 (Tyson Stenglein) 2009 (Jack Gunston)
30 2007 (Jarrhan Jacky)
31 1994 (Allen Nash) 2003 (Joshua Krueger)
32 1998 (David Gallagher) 2002 (Luke Jericho) 2005 (Bernie Vince) 2006 (Kurt Tippett)
33 1997 (James Thiessen)
34 1998 (Bryan Beinke)
35 2014 (Harrison Wigg)
36 1999 (Rhett Biglands)
37
38 1994 (Matthew Collins) 2000 (Michael Handby) 2007 (Myke Cook)
39
40 2004 (Ivan Maric)
41 1992 (Brook Fogden) 2011 (Mitchell Grigg)
42
43 2014 (Mitch McGovern)
44 1993 (Eugene Warrior) 1995 (Scott Hodges) 2001 (Ben Finnin) 2008 (Rory Sloane)
45 2009 (Sam Shaw)
46 2011 (Nicholas Joyce) 2013 (Riley Knight)
47
48 1998 (Lucas Herbert) 2000 (Matthew Smith) 2005 (Alan Obst) 2006 (David MacKay)
49 1997 (Ian Perrie)
50 1994 (Brett Higgins)
51 1999 (Ricky O'Loughlin)
52 1995 (Adam Ugrinic)
53 2000 (Hayden Skipworth)
54
55
56 1992 (Matthew Powell) 2002 (Robert Shirley) 2004 (Chris Knights)
57
58 2003 (Ben Hudson) 2014 (Harry Dear)
59 2001 (Jacob Schuback)
60 1996 (Andrew Eccles) 2008 (Thomas Lee)
61 2009 (James Craig) 2010 (Jarryd Lyons)
62 2012 (Sam Siggins)
63 1998 (Clint Kirey)
64 2006 (Nick Gill) 2011 (Cameron Ellis-Yolmen)
65 1997 (Linden Stevens) 1999 (Justin Cicolella)
66
67 1997 (Robert Shirley) 2000 (Graham Johncock)
68 2002 (James Begley)
69 1995 (Ashley Fernee) 1996 (Chad Rintoul)
70
71 2007 (Aaron Kite)
72 2008 (Will Young)
73
74 2009 (Brodie Martin Promotion)
75 1998 (Ken McGregor) 2007 (Taylor Walker)
76 1996 (Greg Dempsey) 2013 (Kyle Hartigan Promotion)
77
78 2006 (Bryce Campbell)
79 1999 (Balraj Singh)
80 1998 (Brodie Atkinson)
81 2012 (Rory Atkins)
82 2010 (Ricky Henderson Promotion) 2011 (Matthew Wright Promotion)
83 1999 (Matthew Shir)
84
85
86 1992 (Sam Smart) 1996 (Ben Parker) 2013 (Rory Laird Promotion)
87
88
89 2011 (Aidan Riley Promotion)
90
91
92
93
94
95 2012 (Ian Callinan Promotion)
96
97 2010 (Matthew Jaensch Promotion)
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107 2010 (Luke Thompson Promotion)
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116 1992 (Michael Gooden)

1992 26, 41, 56, 86, 116 Martin Mckinnon, Brook Fogden, Matthew Powell, Sam Smart, Michael Gooden
1993 44 Eugene Warrior
1994 27, 31, 38, 50 Toby Kennett, Allen Nash, Matthew Collins, Brett Higgins
1995 18, 27, 44, 52, 69 Brent Williams, Kane Johnson, Scott Hodges, Adam Ugrinic, Ashley Fernee
1996 13, 60, 69, 76, 86 Tom Gilligan, Andrew Eccles, Chad Rintoul, Greg Dempsey, Ben Parker
1997 17, 33, 49, 65 Lance Picioane, James Theissen, Ian Perrie, Linden Stevens
1998 16, 29, 32, 34, 48, 63, 75, 80 Brett Burton, Tyson Stenglein, David Gallagher, Bryan Beinke, Lucas Herbert, Clint Kirey, Ken McGregor, Brodie Atkinson
1999 36, 51, 65, 67, 79, 83 Rhett Biglands, Ricky O'Loughlin, Justin Cicolella, Robert Shirley, Balraj Singh, Matthew Shir
2000 7, 38, 48, 53, 67 Laurence Angwin, Michael Handby, Matthew Smith, Hayden Skipworth, Graham Johncock
2001 12, 44, 59 Brent Reilly, Ben Finnin, Jacob Schuback
2002 32, 56, 68 Luke Jericho, Robert Shirley, James Begley
2003 14, 31, 58 Fergus Watts, Joshua Krueger, Ben Hudson
2004 8, 24, 28, 40, 56 John Meesen, Nathan Van Berlo, Chad Gibson, Ivan Maric, Chris Knights
2005 16, 17, 32, 48 Richard Douglas, Darren Pfeiffer, Bernie Vince, Alan Obst
2006 14, 32, 48, 64, 78 James Sellar, Kurt Tippett, David MacKay, Nick Gill, Bryce Campbell
2007 10, 27, 30, 38, 58, 71, 75 Patrick Dangerfield, Andy Otten, Jarrjan Jacky, Myke Cook, Tony Armstrong, Aaron Kite, Taylor Walker
2008 10, 28, 44, 60, 72 Phil Davis, Shaun McKernan, Rory Sloane, Thomas Lee, Will Young
2009 13, 29, 45, 61, 74 Daniel Talia, Jack Gunston, Sam Shaw, James Craig, Brodie Martin Promotion
2010 14, 61, 82, 97, 107 Brodie Smith, Jarryd Lyons, Ricky Henderson Promotion, Matthew Jaensch Promotion, Luke Thompson Promotion
2011 27, 41, 46, 64, 82, 89 Sam Kerridge, Mitchell Grigg, Nicholas Joyce, Cameron Ellis-Yolmen, Matthew Wright Promotion, Aidan Riley Promotion
2012 62, 81, 95 Sam Siggins, Rory Atkins, Ian Callinan Promotion
2013 23, 46, 76, 86 Matt Crouch, Riley Knight, Kyle Hartigan Promotion, Rory Laird Promotion
2014 14, 35, 43, 58 Jake Lever, Harrison Wigg, Mitch McGovern, Harry Dear

Great piece of work. 2013 was a good year considering Tippetgate. Same with 2010. Promotions off rookie list have worked well.

 

[lunacy]

I like McKay with one of the first rounders. Need to bank a quality long term key forward to develop and groom to take over from Tex and Jenkins. These guys take a while to develop so start planning and recruiting now!

Yep and his twin brother at 28 or 32. Book ends. #twintowers

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I reckon we are a better than good chance to take Milera with pick 9. I also hope we pick up Weideman with a later pick so we can bring back the "WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED" chant.

Haha weed chant would be awesome !!!

But I reckon
Pick 9 harry McKay
Pick 13 Wayne milera

Or reverse that depending on who they think is more at risk of being taken first

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Interesting that ended up there. In Year 8 he was on a scholarship at Scotch College in Melbourne.

I watched him play and absolutely dominate a game, all their coaches telling me he would be drafted.

I wasn't convinced. He was basically a man in terms of physical development. He was bigger, stronger, faster and more athletic. It allowed him to dominate. I didn't think he was actually that good though.

I wonder why he ended up in QLD?

The most interesting thing about this is apparently he hasn't been spotted at any level of significance since he left Melbourne

Have GC been hiding him or has he been playing other sports

Didn't play for GC academy or Qld U18 this year

 

[I Lost My Keays]

I think we will draft Harry McKay and then approach Tucker or Milera

 

[Pugsley]

I think we will draft Harry McKay and then approach Tucker or Milera

I love the look of Milera in the combine footage on Fox. I understand his heart will be a lifetime issue but will it severely impact his football and will it be a risk we are willing to take though it is no fault of Wayne's at all ?

 

[DJ75]

Could we somehow sneak Harry Mackay, Milera and then Rioli?

Would make me very happy in my pants.

 

[I Lost My Keays]

Skippos what is your thoughts on Hibberd?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

If we can package pick 32 and kerridge for carltons pick 20 then hibberd would be a great get among others ....he could play wing and half back and rotate with smith between those spots

 

[I Lost My Keays]

If we can package pick 32 and kerridge for carltons pick 20 then hibberd would be a great get among others ....he could play wing and half back and rotate with smith between those spots

Does he have speed and does he have a good kick?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Does he have speed and does he have a good kick?

Won one of the kicking tests and his speed is average to good but ran 15.7 beep which was second

Takes contested marks as a 188cm half back and wing

Hendo upgrade ...in pick 15-25 range

 

[Jeffcrowe]

At the risk of another Bicks Tucker rant; his poor agility testing seems about right seeing his struggles when moved from half back to the midfield this year. May be more a straight ahead running half back. Hope we don't go there.

Doubt Hibberd would be in the mix as early as 13.

Agree re hibbeed , pick 20ish sounds right for him

 

[headache1]

I reckon we are a better than good chance to take Milera with pick 9. I also hope we pick up Weideman with a later pick so we can bring back the "WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED" chant.

There's just something that feels right about a whole stadium full of South Australian's shouting "WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED".

 

[Bicks]

Agree re hibbeed , pick 20ish sounds right for him

Sando said last night he thinks we're every chance to take Hibberd at 9, seems a bit high given he's an over ager, surely that puts him at a bit of an advantage??

They were also pumping Rioli's tyres up big time on the back of his combine results suggesting he might even go 1st round, he's a small forward FFS that in his games for the Rebels shows flashes of brilliance, in his nine games in the TAC he made the bests on one occasion only, outstanding with his forward pressure and tackling, but first round surely not?? Maybe it's the romance of the Rioli name??

 

[I Lost My Keays]

I would select Hibberd in the 20's not with our first rounders....

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Sando said last night he thinks we're every chance to take Hibberd at 9, seems a bit high given he's an over ager, surely that puts him at a bit of an advantage??

They were also pumping Rioli's tyres up big time on the back of his combine results suggesting he might even go 1st round, he's a small forward FFS that in his games for the Rebels shows flashes of brilliance, in his nine games in the TAC he made the bests on one occasion only, outstanding with his forward pressure and tackling, but first round surely not?? Maybe it's the romance of the Rioli name??

I really want hibberd with pick in 20s and think we should upgrade our 28

It's a bit like when we were into Maynard and d McKenzie , everyone presumed it was for our 1st round but it really doing due diligence for our 2nd round pick

 

[Brentmeister]

Overagers always go a bit later in the draft than they're expected, as do Tasmanians. I'm guessing he'll be there at 13 but will he be there at 28?