List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[Draft Bored]

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-13...m=feed&utm_campaign=RSS+feed:+AFL+Latest+News

Jesus if the order went this way we'd miss out on Francis, Milera and Oliver. Balic being the first non-academy player being available at ~9.

 

[Captain Furious]

195cm doesn't indicate a player is a KPD. We have three true KPDs: Lever, Talia and Hartigan.

We can pick up a decent KPD backup in the rookie draft, we don't need to use a round 1 pick on a KPD that will be behind Talia and Lever for the next 7 years.

In contrast we desperately need more midfield talent, and that's where our focus at the draft should be.

Never said they do. If you read the earlier posts, you'll know I said we have Talia, Hartigan and Lever at a pinch, who I'm sure we'd rather play as a third tall at this early stage. Also said we'll almost certainly pick one up in the rookie draft.

So thanks for reiterating everything I said, appreciate it.

The one thing I don't agree with is that we desperately need more midfield talent. Kind of weird that our own supporters are so down on a talented bunch of guys. B Crouch, Sloane and Thompson are top line, Smith and Douglas not far off. And the young kids M Crouch, CEY, Grigg, Knight and Atkins are at just the right age and level of experience where they can start making a serious impact. I think we've got a stronger midfield than most clubs.

 

[Captain Furious]

How are Essendon firming on Francis? I think they're firming on Parish and Weidemann.

Melbourne more than likely to take Parish as they know they'll get the one of Francis and Curnow that Essendon don't take and are happy with either but don't want to take both. Carlton's 8 still unknown. Could all change again though but things starting to settle now.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I think Melbourne will take weideman or curnow at pick 3

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Jesus if the order went this way we'd miss out on Francis, Milera and Oliver. Balic being the first non-academy player being available at ~9.

We would end up withh McKay ....but this is just a form guide and not a mock draft , as twomey says mckay will go top 10 ...Carlton the fav at 8

 

[Scorpus]

The one thing I don't agree with is that we desperately need more midfield talent. Kind of weird that our own supporters are so down on a talented bunch of guys. B Crouch, Sloane and Thompson are top line, Smith and Douglas not far off. And the young kids M Crouch, CEY, Grigg, Knight and Atkins are at just the right age and level of experience where they can start making a serious impact. I think we've got a stronger midfield than most clubs.

I'm not down on our midfielders, I just realistically don't think we have the midfield talent that we used to have (thanks Dangerfield you campaigner).

We have Brad Crouch, Smith and Sloane as elite talents, Thompson is about to retire. Douglas is a decent player, and I expect that Matt Crouch will be as well. Beyond that we have emerging players and unknowns, with Knight and CEY in my opinion at the top of that list.

I think we need one more elite midfield talent, and two definitely wouldn't go astray.

On top of that I think we need a rookie/backup key position defender and a development key forward

 

[FAITH]

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-13...m=feed&utm_campaign=RSS+feed:+AFL+Latest+News

interesting read.
seems like predictions for the top 14 is all over the place at this stage.
Milera and McKay profiles were very interesting.

 

[Sanders]

How are Essendon firming on Francis? I think they're firming on Parish and Weidemann.

No one is firming on anyone. They all pretty much know what they want to do

 

[Captain Furious]

I'm not down on our midfielders, I just realistically don't think we have the midfield talent that we used to have (thanks Dangerfield you campaigner).

We have Brad Crouch, Smith and Sloane as elite talents, Thompson is about to retire. Douglas is a decent player, and I expect that Matt Crouch will be as well. Beyond that we have emerging players and unknowns, with Knight and CEY in my opinion at the top of that list.

I think we need one more elite midfield talent, and two definitely wouldn't go astray.

On top of that I think we need a rookie/backup key position defender and a development key forward

At least one of those emerging guys, if not 2 or 3, will have a great year a la Laird. We draft well and develop well. If we could just stop our best players from leaving, that flag's ours.

 

[Mego Red]

Jesus if the order went this way we'd miss out on Francis, Milera and Oliver. Balic being the first non-academy player being available at ~9.

This is not his mock, though - just a ranking of players. He's never been big on Harry McKay, despite a lot of conjecture that he will go in the first ten live picks.

 

[Draft Bored]

This is not his mock, though - just a ranking of players. He's never been big on Harry McKay, despite a lot of conjecture that he will go in the first ten live picks.

I understand it's rankings. I'm just saying if the draft went in the order of rankings...

 

[Mego Red]

No one is firming on anyone. They all pretty much know what they want to do

Fair enough.

I guess conjecture is putting Parish as an almost certain 3, as Melbourne should still be able to get a forward at their next pick, unless they think Essendon will take Curnow instead of Francis with Weidemann. Which they may.

 

[Scorpus]

At least one of those emerging guys, if not 2 or 3, will have a great year a la Laird. We draft well and develop well. If we could just stop our best players from leaving, that flag's ours.

So what type of player would you draft with our two first round picks?

 

[lunacy]

Lol your the one stating Otten is a Key position defender!
It's like saying (our) Tom Lynch is a Key position forward

He is a third tall/rebounding defender fyi - do you get foxtel in Canberra? He did fill in as a part time second ruck/forward for half a season but you probably only know that because I told you last week!

I'm with you, not sure what Vader is on.

 

[Draft Bored]

Fair enough.

I guess conjecture is putting Parish as an almost certain 3, as Melbourne should still be able to get a forward at their next pick, unless they think Essendon will take Curnow instead of Francis with Weidemann. Which they may.

If I was Essendon's list manager I'd do that and go hard at mids in next years (mid heavy) draft when they finish bottom 3.

 

[Draft Bored]

I really hate that the draft talk is in two different threads.

Mods, can we clean this up. Only posts with 2 selections in this thread, the rest moved to the other?

 

[lunacy]

Remember him on Gunston at AO 2 years ago?
I think Gunston kicked hawthorns first 3 and ended up with 5

I can't get that out of my mind whenever I think of Otten. That was embarrassing. Gunston should be the very type (and only type) that Otten can match up on. Gunston isn't overly tall or big and strong. He also isn't quick just agile.

Yet he got destroyed. Otten is cooked. Sorry but true. For those that are holding out hope, give up now.

I can't believe Vader stands by guys like Otten and VB, yet writes off Grigg & M.Crouch. The latter have been in the system 8 yrs & 11yrs respectively and still embarrass themselves and the club on game day.

 

[lunacy]

Remember him on Gunston at AO 2 years ago?
I think Gunston kicked hawthorns first 3 and ended up with 5

I can't get that out of my mind whenever I think of Otten. That was embarrassing. Gunston should be the very type (and only type) that Otten can match up on. Gunston isn't overly tall or big and strong. He also isn't quick just agile.

Yet he got destroyed. Otten is cooked. Sorry but true. For those that are holding out hope, give up now.

I can't believe Vader stands by guys like Otten and VB, yet writes off Grigg & M.Crouch. The latter have been in the system 8 yrs & 11yrs respectively and still embarrass themselves and the club on game day.

 

[1990crow]

And 13 +9 = 22 a complete squad

We're getting Andy Otten?

 

[Mego Red]

In 3 consecutive posts you've demonstrated a startling lack of knowledge of the game.

I'm glad you brought up West Coast (McGovern and Schofield will be very surprised to hear that neither of them played in the Grand Final) because they're an excellent case in point. When Brown, McKenzie and McGovern all went down during the season, they still had Schofield and Barrass to play. They have 5 defenders at 195cm or over. We have one.

The third tall is a resting ruckman? Ok. You might want to look that up or maybe watch some games. The third tall is not called third because they're not as good (that's kind of funny). They're generally shorter and more suited to rebounding, coming off their man, being third guy up etc. Josh Gibson is an excellent example of a third tall.

And Andy Otten has never played as a KPD. He's always been a rebounding defender and finished 2nd in the Rising Star in that role.

A long time since that rising star - Andy Otten at 192cm now has the size to be a KPD IF NEEDED. And none of us hope he will be, just like Cheney.

WCE has eight non-ruckmen above 193cm. We have six. If you shift it to 192cm (so we can include Ramsey, Tex and, yes, Otten), we have nine players and WCE still have eight.

We need some KPD depth and we should pick it up in the rookie draft.

But you can only play two KPD's each week, and Lever will eventually be one of them.

If you look at Hawthorn's grand final team, they had nine players rotating through the midfield. THAT is where we need quality for our actual 22, before we need depth in defense.

 

[Scorpus]

I can't get that out of my mind whenever I think of Otten. That was embarrassing. Gunston should be the very type (and only type) that Otten can match up on. Gunston isn't overly tall or big and strong. He also isn't quick just agile.

Yet he got destroyed. Otten is cooked. Sorry but true. For those that are holding out hope, give up now.

I can't believe Vader stands by guys like Otten and VB, yet writes off Grigg & M.Crouch. The latter have been in the system 8 yrs & 11yrs respectively and still embarrass themselves and the club on game day.

It's a shame for Otten because he showed some real promise prior to the knee reconstructions. I just can't see him coming back from reconstructions on both knees and play elite football

 

[Mego Red]

Never said they do. If you read the earlier posts, you'll know I said we have Talia, Hartigan and Lever at a pinch, who I'm sure we'd rather play as a third tall at this early stage. Also said we'll almost certainly pick one up in the rookie draft.

So thanks for reiterating everything I said, appreciate it.

The one thing I don't agree with is that we desperately need more midfield talent. Kind of weird that our own supporters are so down on a talented bunch of guys. B Crouch, Sloane and Thompson are top line, Smith and Douglas not far off. And the young kids M Crouch, CEY, Grigg, Knight and Atkins are at just the right age and level of experience where they can start making a serious impact. I think we've got a stronger midfield than most clubs.

Well, Thompson has maybe eight good games left in him.

Crouch hopefully plays for us again. Sloane is A-list. Douglas is solid B+ and Smith hasn't proven he can be a fulltime member of the midfield rotations going forward. I think Matt Crouch and Knight have the talent to be part of the rotations and I hope one of our offease trades can step up too.

I think we're still a way off with out mids. Maybe two quality pieces short of where we'd want to be - while I think the rest of our team structurally wouldn't look out of place in a grand final squad.

 

[Mego Red]

I actually think of Andy Otten as a backup forward now, personally.

 

[Captain Furious]

So what type of player would you draft with our two first round picks?

Francis would be perfect, not so much for type (we have a million non key defenders) but just great talent, footy smarts, leadership and competitiveness. Doubt he'll get to us though.

I'd take a risk on Burton at 13, probably be no.1 if he didn't get injured.

Milera's speed and kicking skills set him apart, not only from our mids but also from the other mids in this draft, which is why he's almost certainly gone at 9.

That's the biggest issue with this years mids, there's no great pace or foot skills. If we grab a mid, they'll be just like the ones we already have. I guess if we want to replace Dangerfield, we go with Oliver but I'm not convinced on him. Have a feeling Balic will be a player.

Wouldn't be unhappy with McKay, know there's a risk but could be huge. Collins I like too.

 

[Captain Furious]

Well, Thompson has maybe eight good games left in him.

Crouch hopefully plays for us again. Sloane is A-list. Douglas is solid B+ and Smith hasn't proven he can be a fulltime member of the midfield rotations going forward. I think Matt Crouch and Knight have the talent to be part of the rotations and I hope one of our offease trades can step up too.

I think we're still a way off with out mids. Maybe two quality pieces short of where we'd want to be - while I think the rest of our team structurally wouldn't look out of place in a grand final squad.

Go and check how many games Thompson has missed in 11 seasons. Durable is not the word. Averaged 23 possessions and was one of our best last year. Why so harsh on your own club legends?