Drafting coming up

[free at last]

I see Emma Quayle has released her top 15 for the 2011 ND in no particular order. Kersten is in her top 15.

Is she usely on the money?

 

[Patty_Moz]

I see Emma Quayle has released her top 15 for the 2011 ND in no particular order. Kersten is in her top 15.

Is she usely on the money?

Where did she release this?

 

[Nickos66]

linky pls.

 

[theGav56]

Nah let's go for 2nd best available.

Seriously, after the top picks best available is a bit meaningless. Players character, potential, position. Readiness to play etc all have an impact.

Defining best available from any clutch of players including rucks, KPp's, smalls, mids, matures, recycled etc is subjective. There is no definition list.

 

[free at last]

Where did she release this?

It's in the draft & trading board.

 

[BananaOnTheRun]

i think this is where the info came from, although it's not your usual list. last few paragraphs:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/national-draft-looming-small-for-most-clubs-20111018-1lyr3.html

 

[Docker Dolph]

I do not agree with this blind adherence to the "best Available" principle.

Blind adherence to anything is stupid.

So is deciding to pick 2 or 3 KPPs with our top 3 picks regardless of who else is available at the time.

If GWS nab the top 5 KPP's in the draft that means a few very good prospects in other positions have slipped to us.

To ignore those players in a desperate grab for guys over 190cm tall will mean ending up with more Adam Campbell or Ryan Murphy types.

 

[tacopavlich]

Blind adherence to anything is stupid.

So is deciding to pick 2 or 3 KPPs with our top 3 picks regardless of who else is available at the time.

If GWS nab the top 5 KPP's in the draft that means a few very good prospects in other positions have slipped to us.

To ignore those players in a desperate grab for guys over 190cm tall will mean ending up with more Adam Campbell or Ryan Murphy types.

KPP should be taken with our first pick, but only if they are worth it, like Mcinnes, or Paine. If both are taken, then we go for next best Midfielder that slipped through. Needs come first, but if what is available isn't good enough, then go for best available.

 

[free at last]

KPP should be taken with our first pick, but only if they are worth it, like Mcinnes, or Paine. If both are taken, then we go for next best Midfielder that slipped through. Needs come first, but if what is available isn't good enough, then go for best available.

A few of the mock drafts have us taking kersten as best available.
If kersten is deemed best available by Lloydy at our 1st pick, pretty fortunate it's for one of our needs.

Shane Nelson for ' pick 20 ' would be good too, reported to have tested really well for kicking at draft camp.

 

[Ysaye]

I actually disagree with Emma on this one - If I was GWS I would more likely to take midfielders than lots of KP players because they make both the bulk of the list and the bulk of the 18 that are on the ground. Patton and Longer will obviously go to them and would nominally fill a forward and ruck proposition going forward - they are both going to need time, and GWS are going to have great picks for the next few years anyway. Patton is also going to need a good midfield to feed him hence I would then look at filling up the rest of the ground with the most skilled potential midfielders possible using the other high picks. That means I would rather take a risk on a very good but injury clouded midfield product like Kavangh than a good Kp player like Elton who has not had a good season.

I would worry about defenders late draft and rookie period - you simply aren't going to be able to get ready to plug in defender types - that is what Chad Cornes and Phil Davis are for.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Pick 16 Sumner - we still need good mids to come through

Pick 20 Tomlinson - would be a great KPP

Pick 29 Lockyer - a versatile KPP

Pick 16 / 20 Both may not be there but may be a chance of picking up.

 

[more_of_bito]

Just found the Emma quale top 15

"Not a phantom as yet, but today she lists in some order her anticipated top 15, post trade week.

Patton
Coniglio
Tyson
Buntine
Longer
Wingard
Hoskin-Elliott
Greene
Sumner
Kavanagh
Devon Smith
Tomlinson
Kersten
Haynes
Docherty

A more formal set of predictions will no doubt be issued by Em close to draft day, but noteworthy that at this stage she ranks these guys ahead of the rest"

 

[Seppo]

Should pick up Kersten @ 16. Not sure if many in that list could slide our way that would be a 'best available', apart from the obvious top 6-8 that will end up in the dark depths of the western Sydney suburbs.

 

[Paracleet]

Should pick up Kersten @ 16. Not sure if many in that list could slide our way that would be a 'best available', apart from the obvious top 6-8 that will end up in the dark depths of the western Sydney suburbs.

Won't be much fun for some of the young fellas drafted. Particularly the rookies. They'd have to avoid picking up the obligatory nose candy habit to be able to afford to live within a 45 minute drive of homebush. That, and it's a @#$! hole.

 

[Wee Jessies]

Pick 16 Sumner - we still need good mids to come through

Pick 20 Tomlinson - would be a great KPP

Pick 29 Lockyer - a versatile KPP

Pick 16 / 20 Both may not be there but may be a chance of picking up.

Pick 16,20 and 29 - Best available hopefully three of the following are around

Sumner, Greene, D Smith, Markworth,McInnes, Tomlinson, Kersten, S Nelson depending on who slides

Pick 56 - Brad Hill or D Morris if I had a wishlist

Further picks would look to mature recycled players as mentioned busher, Tom Lee, Callum Wilson etc to add some depth making sure we save a pick for the PSD.

 

[Alfonz]

Drafting young talls just seems like such a lottery that I don't know if it is even worth bothering unless you have a top 10 pick and there is a clear standout option. I wouldn't mind a strategy that only looks at drafting young smalls (unless something obvious stands out), and get the talls from free agency, PSD, trading, rookie draft and mature age picks.

How many genuinely good KPP have we drafted over our existence in the main draft? I might be missing someone, but Pavlich is the only one I can think of, and he was a #4 pick. I would count J-Lo as well if injuries didn't wreck him, and he was a #2 pick I think.

Every year there are so many talls thrown up that various people rate ... and it is very rare that any of them make it. It is hard to get excited about guys like Kersten, Tomlinson, or whoever. It just sounds like the same things heard every year with a different crop of talls whom eventually turn out to be 90% full of duds. There are going to be lots of misses with smaller players as well, but it seems you have a better chance with drafting a young small than a tall.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Drafting young talls just seems like such a lottery that I don't know if it is even worth bothering unless you have a top 10 pick and there is a clear standout option. I wouldn't mind a strategy that only looks at drafting young smalls (unless something obvious stands out), and get the talls from free agency, PSD, trading, rookie draft and mature age picks.

How many genuinely good KPP have we drafted over our existence in the main draft? I might be missing someone, but Pavlich is the only one I can think of, and he was a #4 pick. I would count J-Lo as well if injuries didn't wreck him, and he was a #2 pick I think.

Every year there are so many talls thrown up that various people rate ... and it is very rare that any of them make it. It is hard to get excited about guys like Kersten, Tomlinson, or whoever. It just sounds like the same things heard every year with a different crop of talls whom eventually turn out to be 90% full of duds. There are going to be lots of misses with smaller players as well, but it seems you have a better chance with drafting a young small than a tall.

I wouldn't take any of Todd Elton, Michael Talia, Jackson Paine, Adam Tomlinson or Sam Frost with either of you're first two picks. Flimsy developed type KPP's that would track as late second rounders at best in most drafts.

Kresten and Lockyer might be small but at least they have utlility and obvious solid base.

 

[Scootyb]

Silva has been our best KPP pick up in a long time and we got him from the rookie list. If i was gauranteed a star big man vs a star mid I'd take the big guy every time but its very hit and miss

 

[free at last]

I wouldn't take any of Todd Elton, Michael Talia, Jackson Paine, Adam Tomlinson or Sam Frost with either of you're first two picks. Flimsy developed type KPP's that would track as late second rounders at best in most drafts.

Kresten and Lockyer might be small but at least they have utlility and obvious solid base.

I haven't seem kersten play, but a few of the lads speak fairly highly of kersten.Lockyer I have seen & he looks really good , placed second overall in the kicking at draft camp too.

 

[dominguez]

How many genuinely good KPP have we drafted over our existence in the main draft? I might be missing someone, but Pavlich is the only one I can think of, and he was a #4 pick. I would count J-Lo as well if injuries didn't wreck him, and he was a #2 pick I think.

That says more about our past recruiting and player development IMO.

How many players did we take in the national draft 1995-2005 that became very good AFL players for Fremantle across any position during the reign of Neesham/Drum/Connolly? Hasleby and Pavlich...........struggling to add any more.

 

[dominguez]

Won't be much fun for some of the young fellas drafted. Particularly the rookies. They'd have to avoid picking up the obligatory nose candy habit to be able to afford to live within a 45 minute drive of homebush. That, and it's a @#$! hole.

Some people seem to think Homebush is a terrible place in the middle of nowhere.

Homebush to the CBD is 13.5km's and Fremantle to Subiaco Oval is 18.3 km's so the GWS players could live walking distance to the harbour bridge and be closer to their home ground than many of the Fremantle players.

 

[Clay Davis]

Yeah, but Freo is a nicer place than Homebush.

 

[dominguez]

Sure but the river is less than 3km's from Homebush so there are plenty of nice suburbs a stones throw from Homebush. I could happily live in Concord for example.

If for some reason Freo started training in Hammy Hill no one would say what a shit hole, lets not play for Fremantle. The same applies to GWS.

If I was a kid from Mirrabooka I'd much rather be drafted by GWS and live in Sydney's inner west than be drafted by Port Adelaide.

 

[Taylor]

How is a rookie, earning $40,000 going to afford to live 3kms from the river?

 

[dominguez]

How is a rookie, earning $40,000 going to afford to live 3kms from the river?

The same applies in Perth though. If a rookie is picked from Melbourne on $40,000 a year and moves to the west do you think he's living alone in Subiaco/Leederville/Wembley?

The players often mention that they live together, the same will apply in GWS down the track. Next year they're all living together at Breakfast Point apparently, but after that they'll rent a 2/3 bedroom apartment for $400-$600 a week which is what you'd pay in many parts of Perth/Fremantle. Then a couple of years later they'll either be de-listed or be earning $100,000+pa and be able to buy.
http://www.breakfastpoint.com/