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Zorko has been in the hospital group last week and this but had done a full preseason before that. Does not appear to be anything serious but you should monitor.

Mitchell I like as a prospect but there is a lot of depth in the Swans midfield looking for a shot. Definately a significant question about whether he is best 22 and even if he starts the year he could be in and out of the side.

At GWS the fantasy relevant guys I would think are good bets to start week one would be Shiel, Hampton and Darley. The rest are up in the air I think. Coniglio has had an interrupted preparation after his injury and there is not a lot of room in that midfield and quite a few young guys wanting to put their hands up. Coniglio could start up forward and alternate with Power and would be a fair chance to wear the vest a bit early.
 
Mitchell feels a lot like this year's Liberatore to me. Good player, will score at times but, as Quigley and others have said, he could be in and out quite a bit.

With a 3 man bench he'd be in my team but I think the reduced bench makes him too risky with the other options around.
 
@Quigley

Did you get a chance to see much of the GWS recruits last year in action? guys like Darley and Hampton?

Most gws fans for some reason have guys like Cameron, Buntine and Treloar ahead of those guys. Maybe a hard one to read and the NAB should reveal most.
 
Keystone agony said:
@Quigley

Did you get a chance to see much of the GWS recruits last year in action? guys like Darley and Hampton?

Most gws fans for some reason have guys like Cameron, Buntine and Treloar ahead of those guys. Maybe a hard one to read and the NAB should reveal most.
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Difficult to say until NAB and then ultimately Rd 1 selection. Hampton does strike me as the type of player Sheeds would like.
 

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Very hard to say Artax. I guess time and the preseason comp will tell us alot about these sort of player comparisons.

Marty Clarke has scored okay in the past and he has been picked specifically by the magpies to fill a small backman role that has been created by the departure of Leon Davis. Its hard to say if there really is a spot for him though. They already have H.Shaw, B.Johnson who are more than capable of playing on small forwards. With Harry O, Tazza and the captain along with AA centre half back Ben Reid a spot may not be open.

Back to the midfielders :)
 
Didn't mean to get off topic, just Buntines name came up!

Thanks mate, quite informative!

As for rookie mids, think I'll go with Shiell, Horsley & Mitchell at this stage.
 
Artax said:
Didn't mean to get off topic, just Buntines name came up!

Thanks mate, quite informative!

As for rookie mids, think I'll go with Shiell, Horsley & Mitchell at this stage.
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Something i havnt seen mentioned much in my short time here. Everyone says about going unique in regards more to premiums than rookies. But sometimes it is the unique rookies that can be the best pick ups.

I didnt pick Curnow or Libba but they weren't really unique, everyone knew about them. But players like T.Mckenzie, Savage were quite unique and proved to be very good pick ups. Maybe there will be a unique this year in the rookies and sometimes by chancing your arm it doesn't matter as much if you get it wrong as they are only 90k

Ill be picking 4 midfield rookies. At the moment very hard to go pass Shiel, Clifton and Horsley. The other one is tough and NAB cup will tell me more, i think i have Macdonald, considering a few others including Mitchell.
 
Ziebellion said:
Something i havnt seen mentioned much in my short time here. Everyone says about going unique in regards more to premiums than rookies. But sometimes it is the unique rookies that can be the best pick ups.

I didnt pick Curnow or Libba but they weren't really unique, everyone knew about them. But players like T.Mckenzie, Savage were quite unique and proved to be very good pick ups. Maybe there will be a unique this year in the rookies and sometimes by chancing your arm it doesn't matter as much if you get it wrong as they are only 90k

Ill be picking 4 midfield rookies. At the moment very hard to go pass Shiel, Clifton and Horsley. The other one is tough and NAB cup will tell me more, i think i have Macdonald, considering a few others including Mitchell.
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Uniques are inherently tricky. They only work if they score better than the players everyone else has.
Its a bit like trying to catch up at footy tips by picking teams no-one else picks. It only works when you are right.
 
I am a big believer in a quality unique pick. If you are in it to win it you need to differentiate your team from the rest of the serious coaches who have used exactly the same resources as yourself.

A unique pick can save you a trade (ie. if you started with Curnow last year when the majority of people traded him in prior to week 3), it can remove the need for an upgrade (ie. starting with Goldstein last year who turned into a premium ruck) but it can also hurt like hell and ruin your season.

I will be looking for a unique pick in the mids. Whether it is a unique rookie or a mid pricer in the 80-95 ppg price range who I think will take their game to the next level.

To quote a famous line "If You're Not First, You're Last", I don't care for top 1000 finishes. You need some subtle points of difference, an aggressive trading strategy and a whole lot of luck to finish on top in this game. The unique picks are probably the most important aspect of your starting squad.
 
Ziebellion said:
Ill be picking 4 midfield rookies. At the moment very hard to go pass Shiel, Clifton and Horsley. The other one is tough and NAB cup will tell me more, i think i have Macdonald, considering a few others including Mitchell.
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From a team flexibility point of view, you could look to fill the fourth rookie spot with a DPP (particularly to provide the link to the M/Fs in your FWDs). A lot of the GWS rookies have been given M/F status this year so I'd be watching them closely in the NAB. Treloar or Hampton appear good possibilities. Outside of GWS, there's obviously also Zorko and Pfeiffer.
 
Going unique sure does have it's benefits but i find traditionally it's your trading that will set you apart from the competition.

As if you miss out on that great unique pick from your initial squad you can take the risk of brining them in at round 3 etc.

It's 70% luck really to get that savage, goldstein type.

Although it's change a million times i've currently gone with 3 guns 5 rookies for my mids.
I tend to play for league win and hope for a few lucky wins early and end up with a dominant team at the end.

So far i've got a feeling that some of the best/best value mids are:

Ablett
Gibbs
Hodge
Coniglio
Wingard
Koby Stevens
Zorko
Shiel

Although might try find some more b/c f/c rookies if they look the goods.
 
Trading is a numbers game, now everyone knows the numbers and works out how to get the most points. So everyone trades very similarly these days, mainly due to the resources being well known like ffgenine, tooserious ect. Basically tell you how to maximise points and do the trades for you.

For me i will be looking at quite a few unique options. It will either come by a premium forward different, premium midfield difference or a ruck setup/structure/premium difference.

Pretty happy with my current team, i feel it has a few uniques except my first picked premium midfielder is starting to concern me with his preseason.
 

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Keystone agony said:
Trading is a numbers game, now everyone knows the numbers and works out how to get the most points. So everyone trades very similarly these days, mainly due to the resources being well known like ffgenine, tooserious ect. Basically tell you how to maximise points and do the trades for you.
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Oh yes there is certainly the ability to maximise you money, but i was referring to trading early for a rookie or mid-pricer who could end up being a lock.

Sometimes a player will have 2 massive games and people jump on him, then ends up being a dud.

Also luck comes from going for a gun who doesn't miss games or have a sudden drop of form etc.
 
nameless said:
Oh yes there is certainly the ability to maximise you money, but i was referring to trading early for a rookie or mid-pricer who could end up being a lock.

Sometimes a player will have 2 massive games and people jump on him, then ends up being a dud.

Also luck comes from going for a gun who doesn't miss games or have a sudden drop of form etc.
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it's your trading that will set you apart from the competition
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Sorry should have quoted it before, i was writing in response to this.
 
Keystone agony said:
Trading is a numbers game, now everyone knows the numbers and works out how to get the most points. So everyone trades very similarly these days...
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There's no doubt that that's what a lot of posters on this forum would do, but still, the average DTer often does a sideways trade or trades for the player with the highest average in a position (regardless of whether or not that player has a history of high averages). That's why we end up with people in the trades threads asking if they should trade someone like Boyd/Ablett/J Selwood if that player has a bad game, since they worry that the price is going to drop.

...my first picked premium midfielder is starting to concern me with his preseason.
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Who?
 
Atavistic said:
There's no doubt that that's what a lot of posters on this forum would do, but still, the average DTer often does a sideways trade or trades for the player with the highest average in a position (regardless of whether or not that player has a history of high averages). That's why we end up with people in the trades threads asking if they should trade someone like Boyd/Ablett/J Selwood if that player has a bad game, since they worry that the price is going to drop.
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Yeh agree but im not looking to finish 10k at the top of the average dreamteams or the average joe which basically ranges from 8-30k. Im looking to finish at the top end of the top. Those people trade very similarly.
 
Posted this in the forward thread, but since he's a dual position player, opted to do in this one too.

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Campbell Brown tweeting that Alex Sexton is a must-have for fantasy leagues. Since he's a dual position player (FWD/MID) at 98k, that's a big hint that he's going to be playing games. Cash cow written all over him.

Sexton is a QLD Zone selection that the Suns took, and according to many would have gone in the top 12 of the 2011 draft. Think of him as a Fyfe type, able to take great overhead marks, kick goals and run stints in the midfield.

He has completed two AFL pre-seasons, as he's been training with the Suns since 2010. Played last year in the NEAFL, and looks set to cement himself into the side. Expecting good things. :thumbsu:

So if you're looking for a cheap pick that will get games and rack up possessions over a number of games, but do not want to go with one of the GWS high draft picks since they're an extra 10k or so, Sexy'll be your man.

Dual position perks aren't bad either.
 
Sunny_ said:
Posted this in the forward thread, but since he's a dual position player, opted to do in this one too.

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Campbell Brown tweeting that Alex Sexton is a must-have for fantasy leagues. Since he's a dual position player (FWD/MID) at 98k, that's a big hint that he's going to be playing games. Cash cow written all over him.

Sexton is a QLD Zone selection that the Suns took, and according to many would have gone in the top 12 of the 2011 draft. Think of him as a Fyfe type, able to take great overhead marks, kick goals and run stints in the midfield.

He has completed two AFL pre-seasons, as he's been training with the Suns since 2010. Played last year in the NEAFL, and looks set to cement himself into the side. Expecting good things. :thumbsu:

So if you're looking for a cheap pick that will get games and rack up possessions over a number of games, but do not want to go with one of the GWS high draft picks since they're an extra 10k or so, Sexy'll be your man.

Dual position perks aren't bad either.
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Cheers

Knew nothing about him. Didnt hear him as a top 12 pick though.

Anyway i have my 3 locked in rookie mids like everyone else and am looking for a DPP for the 4th option or Macdonald if he looks the goods in NAB. ATM have Pfeiffer but some port fans (mainly Gopower) dont think he will be best 22. So maybe Sexton could be a good pick.
 

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anyone (in particular freo fans) have an opinion on Morabito? Will he play round 1?
 
nameless said:
Mundy would be a great pickup if he's right.
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But he's not.

He'll be coming in with a highly restricted PS to a position that requires aerobic capacity and a solid pre season base.

Gazza's the best in the business but his first half year was sub par after no PS. Mundy would be a post bye trade in to M6 at best
 
54Dogs said:
But he's not.

He'll be coming in with a highly restricted PS to a position that requires aerobic capacity and a solid pre season base.

Gazza's the best in the business but his first half year was sub par after no PS. Mundy would be a post bye trade in to M6 at best
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Oh i will avoid, but if he was right, he'd be a great pick.

I find sometimes those players who miss a PS tend to really slow down at year's end, but a fairly nice run home for Freo might see him sneak into a few teams at years end.
 

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