Recommitted Dustin Martin [re-signed]

[Go Woods]

Spent all their money on Greenwood and Wells

Nah still plenty in the kitty for Dusty

 

[Snake_Baker]

Snake looks to be extremely 'Invested' In Dusty - The Devastation will be too hard for you to fathom and you might just become a Richmond supporter with the amount of love you have for Dusty old boy

Lobotomies have been officially outlawed.

 

[tigerwill]

How can he be "listed" if he isn't contracted?

A contract isn't fulfilled because a club offers one, it must be signed by the player party in order to be a contract.

I can understand your anguish about the situation, but what I posted is correct.

No anguish on my part. I just find it a humorous.
Unfortunately when you told yourself you were correct and smarter than everybody else, someone told you a porkie pie

There are certain seperate list lodgement deadlines. All players are contracted to a certain date, 31st October in the year the contract expires.
So you can become out of contract, but the club doesn't delist you. So for a period of time a player may be basically in limbo. You may be uncontracted but not delisted. There is a time frame to how it works.
It seems you may not be across all things related to UFAs, RFAs or DFAs or how it works.

When it is mentioned that a player a player can enter the draft. It is singular, it doesn't say he can enter either draft, or any drafts.
To me, that means the ND.

Cue, when Dusty re-signs, it will because we paid overs for him to stay. Not that he took unders because he loves where he is. Mind you, he will be handsomely rewarded as befits his ability but it won't need to be the "overs" needed to get him to change clubs

 

[tigerwill]

Snake looks to be extremely 'Invested' In Dusty - The Devastation will be too hard for you to fathom and you might just become a Richmond supporter with the amount of love you have for Dusty old boy

You'd certainly think he'd be up with the FA rules with the amount of time he spends posting about Dusty. He hasn't got too much right as yet. Maybe he can do some research rather than posting pre FA Wikipedia links.
It seems he has quite an "investment" with both Dustin and Kelly.

 

[THE_GUN]

Lobotomies have been officially outlawed.

We can arrange something for a nice snake like you - Would be my pleasure
But are you sure that there is a brain there to proceed with the Leucotomy ?

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Snake looks to be extremely 'Invested' In Dusty - The Devastation will be too hard for you to fathom and you might just become a Richmond supporter with the amount of love you have for Dusty old boy

Not just Dusty either. He also thinks Kelly is Done and dusted.

 

[dlanod]

No anguish on my part. I just find it a humorous.
Unfortunately when you told yourself you were correct and smarter than everybody else, someone told you a porkie pie

There are certain seperate list lodgement deadlines. All players are contracted to a certain date, 31st October in the year the contract expires.
So you can become out of contract, but the club doesn't delist you. So for a period of time a player may be basically in limbo. You may be uncontracted but not delisted. There is a time frame to how it works.
It seems you may not be across all things related to UFAs, RFAs or DFAs or how it works.

You're generally correct. The only piece missing is that if a player is uncontracted at October 31 they may choose to delist themselves in order to nominate for a particular draft, as the National Draft follows that October 31 list lodgement date.

When it is mentioned that a player a player can enter the draft. It is singular, it doesn't say he can enter either draft, or any drafts.
To me, that means the ND.

They can nominate for the ND and the PSD, or they can nominate for just the PSD. It is up to the player.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Not just Dusty either. He also thinks Kelly is Done and dusted.

- Martin to stay with Richmond has always been my position.
- Kelly to North

 

[smasha]

Understand the angle you are getting at, but player movement is gradually picking up year by year, and it will eventually get to the stage of NRL/American sports where players will move a lot more freely. Free agency has already seen it progress from where it was 15-20 years ago and it will be a different landscape in another 15-20.

Martin will stay because Richmond can't afford to lose him and will match, but if they continue the upward trend they are on, it will be reduce their capacity for them to bring in another big name recruit in the future.

Hence the amount of our alleged offer, it's one that will make Richmond at least thinking a lot about their list management.

Days are gone where champions stay for reduced coin.

There are alot of smart cookies at Richmond,we'll be right.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

- Martin to stay with Richmond has always been my position.
- Kelly to North

I think both will stay.

 

[TazHawk15]

Looks like the North fans are really invested in Dusty and will be devastated when he signs and says - Nah thanks to north

Must be really depressing to be so invested in a player from another club,Perhaps consider supporting Richmond guys

Switch from a club that has won nothing for nearly twenty years to a club that has won nothing in 37.

Yeah na, maybe both of you switch to Melbourne.

 

[TheKITC]

This is a confusing situation; it's accepted in the media that he is holding out to see how Richmond's on field fortunes pan out as one of his key criteria. Seems very strange to me that his suitors are St. Kilda and North if this is one of his main focuses... I'm not buying it. Knowing a bit about Dustin and the person he is, he is very likely to be motivated by the money; plan and simple. The only way I can see him staying at Richmond is if they can stump up a fairly sizable offer that is very much in the ballpark of the other clubs. They will get no 'I love the club' discount from someone like Martin IMO.

I can hear his old man in his ear telling him to "take the bastards for all their worth while you can" and Ralph Carr going around selling him to the highest bidder behind closed doors with a shit eating grin on his face...

I don't know what Richmond's finances are like, but if they can't match other clubs offers he is gone.

 

[Snake_Baker]

...........it's accepted in the media that he is holding out to see how Richmond's on field fortunes pan out as one of his key criteria.............

I can see the fatal flaw in your argument.

 

[TheKITC]

I can see the fatal flaw in your argument.

It doesn't hurt to read the rest of the post, especially the very next line where I say that I'm not buying it

 

[Snake_Baker]

It doesn't hurt to read the rest of the post, especially the very next line where I say that I'm not buying it

Apologies mate, I jumped the gun after I saw the comment you appeared to be basing your reasoning upon.

 

[Rimmer]

On this seasons form he has to be up to between 1.3 and 1.5 million for us to keep him now. Other clubs will have to offer a lot more. If he wants to stay we keep him, if he decides to move on some club who has saved space in their war chest will have the ability to front load a contract for 10 million over 6 years with 3 million up front to push us out of the running. (that club will need to do some serious ass kissing with its playing list and back load a lot of contracts to stay inside the club's limit)

If he chose to go I suspect it would be a little like the situation with Danger, he wanted a good deal for Adelaide his old club.

I think he will want to stay but we have gotta make it worth his while. He has 5 or 6 really good years ahead of him and maybe 2 or 3 on the wain.

Interestingly the only club in the AFL which can pretty much guarantee at least one premiership in the next 5 years would never be able to afford him.

 

[The_Steadier]

On this seasons form he has to be up to between 1.3 and 1.5 million for us to keep him now. Other clubs will have to offer a lot more. If he wants to stay we keep him, if he decides to move on some club who has saved space in their war chest will have the ability to front load a contract for 10 million over 6 years with 3 million up front to push us out of the running. (that club will need to do some serious ass kissing with its playing list and back load a lot of contracts to stay inside the club's limit)

If he chose to go I suspect it would be a little like the situation with Danger, he wanted a good deal for Adelaide his old club.

I think he will want to stay but we have gotta make it worth his while. He has 5 or 6 really good years ahead of him and maybe 2 or 3 on the wain.

Interestingly the only club in the AFL which can pretty much guarantee at least one premiership in the next 5 years would never be able to afford him.

Brownlow medalist Fyfe is reportedly re-signing on something around 1.1-1.2.

Dusty is good, but not worth 20% more than fyfe- no matter how ordinary fyfes form has been this year.

Tigers offer to dusty will be around the same ballpark as fyfes freo deal 1mill-1.2.

Other clubs will be offering him 1.5ish.

 

[juss]

Brownlow medalist Fyfe is reportedly re-signing on something around 1.1-1.2.

Dusty is good, but not worth 20% more than fyfe- no matter how ordinary fyfes form has been this year.

Tigers offer to dusty will be around the same ballpark as fyfes freo deal 1mill-1.2.

Other clubs will be offering him 1.5ish.

We'd match 1.5, we'd pay that, or force a trade. Club won't let him walk for a compensation pick in the teens of the draft.

 

[DesertRoo]

We'd match 1.5, we'd pay that, or force a trade. Club won't let him walk for a compensation pick in the teens of the draft.

Why don't you stop the horror show and pay it now???

 

[The_Steadier]

We'd match 1.5, we'd pay that, or force a trade. Club won't let him walk for a compensation pick in the teens of the draft.

I agree.

 

[bird_man]

We'd match 1.5, we'd pay that, or force a trade. Club won't let him walk for a compensation pick in the teens of the draft.

If you'd pay it you would hope for your clubs sake it wouldn't get to the point that you have to match the offer.

I'm sure Martin would let them know what the price on his head is prior to that and he'd sign a contract with Richmond. It would be a pretty poor look if he took an offer from a rival club only to sign with Richmond.

 

[The_Steadier]

Why don't you stop the horror show and pay it now???

Because maybe they don't have to pay him 1.5?

Almost always; clubs get to pay their players less than they would get elsewhere.

Tigs would be dumb to pay dusty his 'leaving' price unless they had to.

A free agent having an offer matched and deciding to stay wouldnt be much of a 'horror show' anyway.

The fallout wouldn't be any greater than what happened a few years ago when dusty went touring around GWS facilities.
Or remember lin jong touring collingwood last year?
That was all water under the bridge pretty quickly.

 

[cryptor]

We'd match 1.5, we'd pay that, or force a trade.

You don't know that. You desperately hope that, but you don't know it.

 

[juss]

Why don't you stop the horror show and pay it now???

Because Dusty probably figures he'l get more money by waiting, and won't sign before end of year.

 

[juss]

You don't know that. You desperately hope that, but you don't know it.

It would be the only sensible thing to do in the circumstances.