EFC Veterans List 2008

[Giggidy Giggidy]

Apologies if this has already been discussed, but I'm finding it hard to find consistent information in relation to the Veterans List.

Would like to work out who would / could be on our veterans list in 2008.

The AFLPA website (although likely outdated as dated 2003) states the following:

Veterans Rule
Changes to the Veterans Rule mean that a Club can nominate a player to be a veteran if that player has been listed at that Club for a minimum of ten years and turns 30 years of age, or is older, in the relevant playing season. A Club may list any number of eligible veterans and once placed on the Veteran’s List a Player cannot be removed until he leaves the Club. The allowance for each veteran will decrease as the number of veterans increases.

According to the AFL website in 2007 we had Fletcher considered as a veteran (outside of the list) & Hird (inside the list). This meant a list of 39. Not sure why Hird wasn't considered outside of the list as well to allow another addition to our list (at the expense of a rookie).

For 2008, going by the above, we could retain Fletcher, and add Lloyd, Lucas & Jason Johnson to the veterans list.

I think I'm right with the below, but can't find verification:

Instead of having 50% of their salary outside the cap, it would be 25% of each, which given the quality of Lloyd & Lucas would provide a fair bit of room in the cap.

Alternatively, we could leave JJ out of the equation and have 33% of Fletcher, Lucas & Lloyd's salarys outside the cap.

*Mark Johnson should qualify in 2009

 

[Longy413]

Not sure why Hird wasn't considered outside of the list as well to allow another addition to our list (at the expense of a rookie).

Salary Cap.

A rookie is paid outside the cap, if we had an extra player on the list, his payment is included in the cap.

Instead of having 50% of their salary outside the cap, it would be 25% of each, which given the quality of Lloyd & Lucas would provide a fair bit of room in the cap.

Not that simple really.

The more you have as veterans, often the less you save.

Let's pretend that the four in question are on the following amounts -
Lloyd - $700k
Fletcher - $500k
Lucas - $500k
JJ - $320k

If we pay 100% of their wages in the cap, then we are up for $2.02 million.

If we have all four on the vets list and pay 25% of each outside the cap then we save $505k, meaning we pay $1.515 million.

If we have Lloyd and Fletcher on the vets list only and pay 50% of their wage outside the cap we would be saving $600k and paying the four players in question $1.42 million.


Keep in mind, I have no idea what these players are on. But I'd be suprised if we went into the season with anyone other than Lloyd and Fletch as vets.

Note - I'm pretty sure you'll find that once a player is on the vets list they can't be removed unless redrafted.

 

[Giggidy Giggidy]

Salary Cap.

A rookie is paid outside the cap, if we had an extra player on the list, his payment is included in the cap.

Surely we weren't so close to the cap last year that we opted for an additional rookie instead of an extra listed player?

Let's pretend that the four in question are on the following amounts -
Lloyd - $700k
Fletcher - $500k
Lucas - $500k
JJ - $320k

If we pay 100% of their wages in the cap, then we are up for $2.02 million.

If we have all four on the vets list and pay 25% of each outside the cap then we save $505k, meaning we pay $1.515 million.

If we have Lloyd and Fletcher on the vets list only and pay 50% of their wage outside the cap we would be saving $600k and paying the four players in question $1.42 million.

I see your point in relation to this. Although if we also use Lucas, on your figures we'd 'save' $561K, which for only $39K less frees up an additional spot on the list.

Note - I'm pretty sure you'll find that once a player is on the vets list they can't be removed unless redrafted.

That is correct

 

[Longy413]

Surely we weren't so close to the cap last year that we opted for an additional rookie instead of an extra listed player?

Either way it's probably an extra expense for probably the same player.

If we had another pick in the draft, we just about would have taken Dick anyway.

I see your point in relation to this. Although if we also use Lucas, on your figures we'd 'save' $561K, which for only $39K less frees up an additional spot on the list.

Plus the extra player, that's another 34k minimum. Plus match payments etc.