List Mgmt. End of Year List Changes

[docko911]

I don't think it's a big deal ... just can't believe that people, including yourself are spending all this time and energy, trying to say it wasn't a mistake.

And the missing on Alger argument doesn't hold water ... could have retired KMac a year earlier (or better still closed the Dow file ) ... Davidson with his elite running capacity was clearly a wing.

Trainor (back) , Alger (forward) and Tresize (utility) are not wings ... we are just playing them there because we don't have another wing (well we do but Judson Clarke ain't playing anytime soon)

You are getting so desperate now that you are questioning his class and courage ... seriously?

What is dubious is the clubs strategy of building a list with 6 full forwards Armstrong, Faull, Sims, LeFau, Lynch and Fawcett and 7 full backs Balta, Miller, Young, Gibcus, Gray, Blight and Kosi (not to mention Bauer) whilst missing a free swing for outside run and speed leaving us to try and find it in a draft full of VFL standard footballers (the last line is me trolling)

Now that we just delisted three of them? All part of the plan, right?

Pretty accurate ... though Campbell can count as one of the 3 draftees when upgraded to the main list and Kellaway can be added to a rookie spot straight after the ND if not bid on by another team as I understand it.

I don’t think there was anything dubious about our KPP strategy.

Before the draft we had Lynch with a question mark over durability, Kozi who was useless up forward in 2024, Bauer who had only shown glimpses and Fawcett who had missed almost all of 2024. Ryan had also shown he was a liability up forward. Lefau with a mid-year ACL.

Down back we had Balta and Miller fit, Gray and Blight as the unknown new guys. Young with a mid year ACL and Gibcus coming off a serious hamstring injury followed by an ACL.

We may not have even planned to draft Trainor and Armstrong but they fell to picks where we couldn’t pass them up.

The result of our draft hand and 2025 season is that we now have a really promising group of KPPs. This group could see us surge up the ladder in the next couple of years. I’m not sure I could say the same about a player like Davidson.

Agree that we could’ve got Davidson over keeping Dow or McIntosh but I think Davidson would only be a fringe player for us next year. Our younger mids will need to rotate on the wing at times so we can fit them all into the team.

 

[Ballin]

I don’t think there was anything dubious about our KPP strategy.

Before the draft we had Lynch with a question mark over durability, Kozi who was useless up forward in 2024, Bauer who had only shown glimpses and Fawcett who had missed almost all of 2024. Ryan had also shown he was a liability up forward. Lefau with a mid-year ACL.

Down back we had Balta and Miller fit, Gray and Blight as the unknown new guys. Young with a mid year ACL and Gibcus coming off a serious hamstring injury followed by an ACL.

We may not have even planned to draft Trainor and Armstrong but they fell to picks where we couldn’t pass them up.

The result of our draft hand and 2025 season is that we now have a really promising group of KPPs. This group could see us surge up the ladder in the next couple of years. I’m not sure I could say the same about a player like Davidson.

Agree that we could’ve got Davidson over keeping Dow or McIntosh but I think Davidson would only be a fringe player for us next year. Our younger mids will need to rotate on the wing at times so we can fit them all into the team.

 

[tiger_tough]

We were all screaming for Doc to be picked in the msd!

It was a disaster amd shows exactly why we are a bottom club

Love how he played a BOG first half against us this year, just to rub in how dumb that msd call was

So dramatic

 

[THE THIN MAN]

We were all screaming for Doc to be picked in the msd!

It was a disaster amd shows exactly why we are a bottom club

It seems your talent is wasted, have you considered writing for these staples of daytime television?

 

[Aido97]

We were all screaming for Doc to be picked in the msd!

It was a disaster amd shows exactly why we are a bottom club

Love how he played a BOG first half against us this year, just to rub in how dumb that msd call was

His output is worse than Dow and almost identical to Sonsie. Both should be delisted this year. We made the right call not taking him

 

[Ballin]

His output is worse than Dow and almost identical to Sonsie. Both should be delisted this year. We made the right call not taking him

dow's sixth year and Sonsie has had 4 years as a professional athlete whereas this is Davidson's first and his output is already identical to both of them .... that's impressive

 

[docko911]

dow's sixth year and Sonsie has had 4 years as a professional athlete whereas this is Davidson's first and his output is already identical to both of them .... that's impressive

Only if he was 18/19, there’s a good chance he doesn’t improve a lot or at all.

 

[Infamy]

dow's sixth year and Sonsie has had 4 years as a professional athlete whereas this is Davidson's first and his output is already identical to both of them .... that's impressive

Dow & Davidson are the same age though, and Sonsie is almost 1.5 years younger, so it's not that surprising when you are comparing a mature aged recruit who's body is more AFL ready.

 

[Hoos]

His best games came against us, Carlton and West Coast. Take away those 3 games from his averages and you basically have HRS. Same age, same job, different super fund.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

His output is worse than Dow and almost identical to Sonsie. Both should be delisted this year. We made the right call not taking him

Doc tore the RFC a new one!

So if Doc is getting delisted, should we delist the whole of RFC?

 

[PetterdHoisted]

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Nobody is saying Doc is Timmy Taranto, but just, geez, it would have been so satisfying for Doc and his family to rub the RFC selectors noses in their decisions. Same for Murphy R. and his family.

A couple of exquisitely devastating call backs.

But why is it always Freo that benefits when a young RFC supporting gun is desperate to play for us, but our selectors crap the bed? We barely lived down the Fyfe call, and now that he is finally riding off into the sunset, our selectors reset the clock with Murph Reid!

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Nobody is saying Doc is Timmy Taranto, but just, geez, it would have been so satisfying for Doc and his family to rub the RFC selectors noses in their decisions. Same for Murphy R. and his family.

A couple of exquisitely devastating call backs.

But why is it always Freo that benefits when a young RFC supporting gun is desperate to play for us, but our selectors crap the bed? We barely lived down the Fyfe call, and now that he is finally riding off into the sunset, our selectors reset the clock with Murph Reid!

Fyfe zero premierships v Richmond FC 3 premierships

M Reid zero premierships v Richmond FC zero premierships.

 

[peejay]

Why are people delisting Dow ?

He’s improved a shit load this year and just got injured at the wrong time. He had some really good games early in the season which obviously some of you have forgotten.

Def worth persisting for another year imo

Because a whole bunch of people know SFA about footy.

 

[Aido97]

dow's sixth year and Sonsie has had 4 years as a professional athlete whereas this is Davidson's first and his output is already identical to both of them .... that's impressive

Hes older than Sonsie and the same age as Dow

 

[Ballin]

Hes older than Sonsie and the same age as Dow

Got it ... my point was that he has had about 4 years and 40 less games experience in an AFL program ... and managed to play more games in a season and record more possessions in a game than either Dow or Sonsie ... but hey Davidson is rubbish and it wasn't a mistake not to add him to the list in the MSD

 

[4tune8]

Got it ... my point was that he has had about 4 years and 40 less games experience in an AFL program ... and managed to play more games in a season and record more possessions in a game than either Dow or Sonsie ... but hey Davidson is rubbish and it wasn't a mistake not to add him to the list in the MSD

Funny hill to choose to die on, they're all fringe AFL players.

 

[wegetpumped]

Speaking of ages, any chance we can bring in Shaun Mannagh? He might light up our forward line? Or wait, we have Dow and Sonsie to do that Man, the more I see in the best players for their teams, who were in our plain sight, the more I cry. If we had all of them on the list and the kids from last season, we would be well on our way to resurrection.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Speaking of ages, any chance we can bring in Shaun Mannagh? He might light up our forward line? Or wait, we have Dow and Sonsie to do that Man, the more I see in the best players for their teams, who were in our plain sight, the more I cry. If we had all of them on the list and the kids from last season, we would be well on our way to resurrection.

The same goes for lottery numbers—those annoying numbers were right there, but I just didn’t choose them.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Speaking of ages, any chance we can bring in Shaun Mannagh? He might light up our forward line? Or wait, we have Dow and Sonsie to do that Man, the more I see in the best players for their teams, who were in our plain sight, the more I cry. If we had all of them on the list and the kids from last season, we would be well on our way to resurrection.

Not for me. A lot of Geelong players perform badly at new clubs as they don't have the cushion of soft Kardinia Park games . Eg Tim Kelly, Craig Biddlescom.

 

[crackertiger]

In my view there are only two more changes.

Young traded after decent offer.
Smith delisted.

While we are rebuilding Dow and Sonsie should stay in my view. Both are now reaching prime age. So offer a 1 year contract for both is the right decision. Assess again at the end of 2026. Keeping both gives us inside depth (Dow) and outside depth (Sonsie). No brainer decision.

Young traded and Smith delisted gives us 4 main list and 2 rookie list spots. We do not need more then that in this draft.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

In my view there are only two more changes.

Young traded after decent offer.
Smith delisted.

While we are rebuilding Dow and Sonsie should stay in my view. Both are now reaching prime age. So offer a 1 year contract for both is the right decision. Assess again at the end of 2026. Keeping both gives us inside depth (Dow) and outside depth (Sonsie). No brainer decision.

Young traded and Smith delisted gives us 4 main list and 2 rookie list spots. We do not need more then that in this draft.

I’d prefer to keep Smith over Dow; Smith still has room to improve, and we already know what Dow brings to the table.

 

[dean33]

I was wondering who this "doc" was and then realised it was Davidson these posters were referring to. You'd think he came out and was one of the dogs best players we missed on. Strange to waste so much bandwidth on this topic.
As for Murphy Reid, yep gun no doubt but who of Lalor, smilie, hotton and Faull are we taking him instead of?

 

[The Vaucluse]

I only need to look at Geelong & Hawthorn last night to come to the conclusion that we should delist Sonsie and Smith. I’m sorry to say that they are not fearless, they panic when under pressure and they don’t have the athletic profile to propel us into the top 8. The roles they perform need to be upgraded.

Both Geelong & Hawthorn have players who have been overlooked at the National Draft and have worked their arses off to get a spot on a AFL list. There are boys in our VFL program who have AFL traits that we should look at drafting. We can’t be gifting these players to other clubs, when our list is shallow.

I’d be having an honest conversation with MJ and I’d say you have the attributes to be an AFL footballer, but do you have the desire to make the sacrifices to realise your potential. I’d almost be tempted to bring a specialist forwards coach to really focus on the craft of being a small forward.

I appreciate it takes time to rebuild a list, but we have to be aggressive with our list management and try to identify players outside of the system, who have the hunger and the traits to move the club forward.

 

[docko911]

I was wondering who this "doc" was and then realised it was Davidson these posters were referring to. You'd think he came out and was one of the dogs best players we missed on. Strange to waste so much bandwidth on this topic.
As for Murphy Reid, yep gun no doubt but who of Lalor, smilie, hotton and Faull are we taking him instead of?

Wait a couple of years and there’s a good chance we wouldn’t take Reid over any of those players. Doc will probably be delisted or back playing VFL, and we’ll have a couple stud wingers.

 

[TheOptimum18]

While we are rebuilding Dow and Sonsie should stay in my view. Both are now reaching prime age. So offer a 1 year contract for both is the right decision. Assess again at the end of 2026. Keeping both gives us inside depth (Dow) and outside depth (Sonsie). No brainer decision.

50/50 on Sonsie based on talent, but disagree on Dow.

In my opinion, a smart, well-run club will see they have someone like Harry Scott in their VFL program, and will pick him up to fit into that inside depth role (who also has higher potential upside than Dow), and delist Dow.

End of 2023, Geelong had Isaac Smith retire, and delisted Sam Menegola and Sam Simpson. They then picked up Shaun Mannagh in the 2024 national draft, and Dempsey won the Rising Star award playing off a wing.