News Epic bad call by Mark Robinson and Scott Gullan

[smcateer]

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Another who could struggle for selection is forward Mark Williams, whose pre-season was lacklustre, save for the game-saving goal after the siren against St Kilda in the first round of the NAB Cup.

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Just want this one on the record - Williams will not struggle for a spot this year. This assessment is obviously based on stats from someone who didn't watch any games. Williams played his role, he wasn't slamming home bags, but that's not what being a forward is about these days.

Robbo, Gullan:
"less than 5 goals = bad, goals or more = good" is sooooo 1986.

 

[Slattery_20]

I too thought he was decent bar the Pies game.

Both prats.

 

[Atavistic]

It sounds like reasonable, objective assessment to me. He's not a certainty for a spot in the 22. Which of our forwards would you say that Williams played better than during the NAB Cup?

 

[UrLordUnbeliever]

It's a tough one..
Hurley and Ryder should be definate forward-line starters, as well as Davey (if fit), and then Monfries can play a role there too.
Crameri deserves a gig due to his NAB input, and we want to get games into Gumby, which doesn't leave many spots available for Williams - especially as we've got some great players like Zorro and Jetta who can be very dangerous playes in bursts on the forwrd line.
Against the Bulldogs though, it used to be a good idea to go in with a tall forward line, but our gameplan is about creating 'fprward pressure' and our tall forwards aren't as great at doing that as out small/medium forwards..

 

[Jade]

It sounds like reasonable, objective assessment to me. He's not a certainty for a spot in the 22. Which of our forwards would you say that Williams played better than during the NAB Cup?

I agree.

Hurley, Davey, Jetta, Crameri, Monfries, Ryder, Hille all ahead of Williams for a spot in the forward line.

 

[lamaros]

Don't think it's that unreasonable a statement.

 

[Skeeta Olly]

Agree with Slats, wasn't too bad during the other games, but was poor against the Pies. Borderline 22 I think.

 

[table tennis]

Don't think it's that unreasonable a statement.

Others ahead of willo

 

[lamaros]

Others ahead of willo

It's hard to say how the coaching group rates him (especially as I haven't seen the team live yet), but he's no certainty.

I wouldn't be that surprised to see him in round one, and I wouldn't be that surprised to see him miss either.

 

[efcboy]

the only way williams will get a game is at the expense of one of crameri or monfries. they're both clearly ahead at the moment so i agree williams is well down the list for getting a game.

the worst part of the article was suggesting gumby won't be getting a regular game.

 

[Kong]

I'd put money on Williams playing in Round 1, especially if Davey's out.

 

[stugots]

seems like reasonable article to me - Williams hasnt done enough as yet to earn a spot & the form of Bellchambers means another of the talls will likely miss out

want to see Gumbleton in sooner rather than later but at the expense of whom?

 

[table tennis]

I'd put money on Williams playing in Round 1, especially if Davey's out.

He would want to be a lot better in the main season than he has been all preseason. Those who think he had a good one are delusional.

 

[Smokin]

and Id absolutely say Gumby has to earn his spot in this team.

I started a topic on this, we have serious pressure for selection finally. And that doesnt equal just depth, a very subtle, but important difference.

Depth can be having 18 blokes who are walk up starts, but the last 4-5 spots can be juggled over 10 players. Meh, been there for a while and even poor teams can be in that position.

But right now, form will play a huge role in so many positions. I went as far to say only half a dozen or so could be continually played through a rough trot. The rest, well, have players right up their clacker and wouldn't want to take their eyes off the road.

 

[smcateer]

It sounds like reasonable, objective assessment to me. He's not a certainty for a spot in the 22. Which of our forwards would you say that Williams played better than during the NAB Cup?

In one of the press conferences, Hird said something along the lines of, Williams is playing his role, we're very happy with him, it's not just about kicking bags. (Can anyone remember which video this was in? I couldn't be stuffed watching them all again.)

Anyway, I just want it on the record. If I'm wrong, then I'll eat my hat (for the 4,545,987th time).

Who was he better than? You would have to ask Hird & co. Anyone who was seen by the match committee to not be playing their role as well. Maybe Carlisle, Riemers, Hardingham (granted played out of position), Colyer, Davey, or any of the talls if they don't match up well with the given team.

 

[smcateer]

seems like reasonable article to me - Williams hasnt done enough as yet to earn a spot & the form of Bellchambers means another of the talls will likely miss out

want to see Gumbleton in sooner rather than later but at the expense of whom?

Yeah, IN: Gumby, OUT: Willo. You may as well suggest replacing Hill with Davey. You realise Willo's not a tall, right? (Equal 4th shortest player on the list.)

Aside from the fact that they are ridiculously different players, I have the feeling Gumby is going the way of the Chutney Dempseys of the world. That's off-topic though.

 

[stugots]

Yeah, IN: Gumby, OUT: Willo. You may as well suggest replacing Hill with Davey. You realise Willo's not a tall, right? (Equal 4th shortest player on the list.)

Aside from the fact that they are ridiculously different players, I have the feeling Gumby is going the way of the Chutney Dempseys of the world. That's off-topic though.

thats not what I was suggesting - Gumby in - what other tall out?

 

[fishguts]

I agree with their sentiments, I'll be very surprised if he's there come Sunday.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Epic great call by Robbo and the other clown.

I can't see us playing a forward line of Hurley, Gumby, resting ruckman, Monfries and Willo, Crameri

Will probably play round 1 but I can't see him doing enough to hold his spot in the 22. Will be the last of Knights mature age failures to be gone at seasons end.

 

[Kong]

Even with a year to run on his contract?

 

[dave_27]

He will be lucky to play a handful of games.

 

[SirJimi05]

He will be named come round 1 but needs to pull his finger out if he wants to keep his place.

Hird was just taking pressure off him when he said he is performing a role.

He has been ordinary. Lets not try kid ourselves.

 

[morebeer]

Agree with Robbo's comments regarding Willo and Gumby.

Willo can't apply the pressure and is injury prone.

Gumby is struggling for fitness and hasn't really shown much and Hurley has rightly overtaken him at CHF.

 

[ant555]

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Just want this one on the record - Williams will not struggle for a spot this year. This assessment is obviously based on stats from someone who didn't watch any games. Williams played his role, he wasn't slamming home bags, but that's not what being a forward is about these days.

Robbo, Gullan:
"less than 5 goals = bad, goals or more = good" is sooooo 1986.

Not sure about an epic bad call. He has done better than the stats read but can he change his game from lead up forward to roving tackling pressure forward ?
Clubs do not let you have too much space in the forward half now days so his days as lead up into space are gone. that puts him on the fringe a bit.

 

[Mafioso]

I went as far to say only half a dozen or so could be continually played through a rough trot. The rest, well, have players right up their clacker and wouldn't want to take their eyes off the road.

This sounds a lot like Knights' philosophy. Part of the problem is a player never gets enough time to settle into the team/position (i.e Houli). Don't disagree entirely, just think it's a fine line between dropping a player for poor form and playing a player into form.