Club Focus Essendon 2022 - Setterfield, Weideman, Tsatas, Hayes, A. Davey Jr, J. Davey, Munkara, Montgomerie

[Lore]

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[Dangerousfield]

What do you think Shiel’s value is currently ?.

Been battling for a couple of years now and looks all out of sorts at the Dons.

I'll ask Luke Parker for a valuation ..........

Luke said Swans accepted pick 40 (compo) for George Hewett so work it out from there!

 

[HirdsTheWord]

They could use a couple of players that tackle

or just generally give a shit.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I'll ask Luke Parker for a valuation ..........

Luke said Swans accepted pick 40 (compo) for George Hewett so work it out from there!

Hewett is actually a better player than Shiel these days, feel like pick 40 is overs (especially with that big contract)

 

[Sector 7G]

On his own, late 2nd
Our 2nd will be early 20s. Id combine it to move up into the middle of the first.
We're gonna lose that pick on a davey bid anyway

No one is giving a 2nd rounder for a 30yr old mid playing reserve standard footy. Even if he was playing good footy that is all you would get plus you would have to eat $600K of his contract.

 

[TheGrizz]

If we do let Shiel go, it will be for less than most Essendon fans would care to admit. It would have to depend on how much $$$ we swallow, but I imagine the high end Pick would be 35ish (if we took on like, 250 of the 750 for example) and then the less money we take on it slides from there

The reason we would do it is to remove the distraction, clear out some more cap (though we are loaded anyway in that regards) and open up midfield minutes for Caldwell/Hobbs/Perkins. The return pick is largely inconsequential.

 

[Brezsa]

The problem with Shiel isn’t the price he is worth, its who is the buyer?

Over 30, so we are looking for a team that thinks they are close and he is the missing piece.
Melbourne & Brisbane will back what they have.
Fremantle & Sydney have a young exciting midfield coming through don’t see a spot for him, they can back in what they have.
St Kilda has bought a lot in, do they have the cap space & the need? Probably not.
Geelong? It’s Geelong so possibly.
Port Adelaide - Ollie Wines & him in same midfield? Nope.
Carlton doesn’t need him, Key position depth more important
Richmond? Probably prefer to get some youth in.

So no obvious buyer. Then the other issue is he has 2 years left on decent coin, so Essendon will have to be willing pay a good chunk even if they find a buyer or Dylan is going to have to take a cut maybe take the money over 3 years, but based on his current form is there a club willing to take a 3 year risk?

Think if Essendon try to move him on, that it will be like the Hawks last year, no buyer comes forward, which is a shame as it’s probably best for player & club that he does find a new home. Gone a long way from the player Carlton, Hawthorn & Essendon where falling over themselves to sign.

 

[eth-dog]

The problem with Shiel isn’t the price he is worth, its who is the buyer?

Over 30, so we are looking for a team that thinks they are close and he is the missing piece.
Melbourne & Brisbane will back what they have.
Fremantle & Sydney have a young exciting midfield coming through don’t see a spot for him, they can back in what they have.
St Kilda has bought a lot in, do they have the cap space & the need? Probably not.
Geelong? It’s Geelong so possibly.
Port Adelaide - Ollie Wines & him in same midfield? Nope.
Carlton doesn’t need him, Key position depth more important
Richmond? Probably prefer to get some youth in.

So no obvious buyer. Then the other issue is he has 2 years left on decent coin, so Essendon will have to be willing pay a good chunk even if they find a buyer or Dylan is going to have to take a cut maybe take the money over 3 years, but based on his current form is there a club willing to take a 3 year risk?

Think if Essendon try to move him on, that it will be like the Hawks last year, no buyer comes forward, which is a shame as it’s probably best for player & club that he does find a new home. Gone a long way from the player Carlton, Hawthorn & Essendon where falling over themselves to sign.

He's 29 mate, and apart from last year hasn't really had many significant injury issues, so it isn't as if he's definitely going to retire straight after this contract. I wouldn't be surprised to see him play well into his 30's.

We'd pay a decent chunk of his salary, probably up to 40% of the next two years. St. Kilda, Geelong and Port are all viable as destinations.

 

[citizen-erased]

The problem with Shiel isn’t the price he is worth, its who is the buyer?

Over 30, so we are looking for a team that thinks they are close and he is the missing piece.
Melbourne & Brisbane will back what they have.
Fremantle & Sydney have a young exciting midfield coming through don’t see a spot for him, they can back in what they have.
St Kilda has bought a lot in, do they have the cap space & the need? Probably not.
Geelong? It’s Geelong so possibly.
Port Adelaide - Ollie Wines & him in same midfield? Nope.
Carlton doesn’t need him, Key position depth more important
Richmond? Probably prefer to get some youth in.

So no obvious buyer. Then the other issue is he has 2 years left on decent coin, so Essendon will have to be willing pay a good chunk even if they find a buyer or Dylan is going to have to take a cut maybe take the money over 3 years, but based on his current form is there a club willing to take a 3 year risk?

Think if Essendon try to move him on, that it will be like the Hawks last year, no buyer comes forward, which is a shame as it’s probably best for player & club that he does find a new home. Gone a long way from the player Carlton, Hawthorn & Essendon where falling over themselves to sign.

its only 2 as well. contract is up in 2024.

finding a buyer would certainly be the challenge. I feel (outside looking in) Geelong is the right fit. Have the system, strong club still, and he'd give them decent service whilst their window is ajar.

 

[The Prosecutor]

Could see Geelong offering a second rounder for him to replace Selwood, with us paying the difference between Shiel and Selwood's salary.

 

[Brezsa]

He's 29 mate, and apart from last year hasn't really had many significant injury issues, so it isn't as if he's definitely going to retire straight after this contract. I wouldn't be surprised to see him play well into his 30's.

We'd pay a decent chunk of his salary, probably up to 40% of the next two years. St. Kilda, Geelong and Port are all viable as destinations.

He is 30 for the team that trades for him next year. They can’t have him name, so the relevance is how old he is next season.

 

[eth-dog]

He is 30 for the team that trades for him next year. They can’t have him name, so the relevance is how old he is next season.

Still not "over 30" as you said

 

[Brezsa]

Still not "over 30" as you said

Ok sport

You’ve got me I was talking about the perspective of a team trading for him, but I didn’t make that clear enough for you that it was a post of how another would have to interested first before you can discuss his value.

I thought it was obvious I was talking about next season, clearly not obvious enough for you though.

 

[eth-dog]

Ok sport

You’ve got me I was talking about the perspective of a team trading for him, but I didn’t make that clear enough for you that it was a post of how another would have to interested first before you can discuss his value.

I thought it was obvious I was talking about next season, clearly not obvious enough for you though.

I was clearly just correcting a mistake that you made. It's okay, everyone makes them.

But you do you champ, keep talking down as if you're the smartest person in the room even though you didn't even bother to look up the bloke's age. I thought it would be obvious to such a stellar intellect such as yourself.

So is he over 30 next season then?

 

[Brezsa]

I was clearly just correcting a mistake that you made. It's okay, everyone makes them.

But you do you champ, keep talking down as if you're the smartest person in the room even though you didn't even bother to look up the bloke's age. I thought it would be obvious to such a stellar intellect such as yourself.

So is he over 30 next season then?

Wow am I on FB??

I got his age wrong big deal, never said I was smarter than anyone, simply gave my opinion.

I apologise for giving my opinion

 

[Lore]

Ok sport

You’ve got me I was talking about the perspective of a team trading for him, but I didn’t make that clear enough for you that it was a post of how another would have to interested first before you can discuss his value.

I thought it was obvious I was talking about next season, clearly not obvious enough for you though.

I assume it's because his birthday is in April. So turning 30 in about round 4.

It's splitting hairs to you but you'd be surprised how often players above 27 get rounded to "almost 30" and then relegated to the scrap heap on this board.

In a sport where contracts usually only go for a couple of years, Shiel being 29-31 during the rest of his current contract isn't quite the same as an 'over 30' that would have been 33 by 2024 and potentially losing his speed. 31 is still a respectable age for most players with his injury history or lack thereof.

 

[eth-dog]

Wow am I on FB??

I got his age wrong big deal, never said I was smarter than anyone, simply gave my opinion.

I apologise for giving my opinion

Yeah, and then you double downed and said "I'm clearly talking about next season", newsflash, he'll still not be "over 30" like you said.

 

[Brezsa]

I assume it's because his birthday is in April. So turning 30 in about round 4.

It's splitting hairs to you but you'd be surprised how often players above 27 get rounded to "almost 30" and then relegated to the scrap heap on this board.

In a sport where contracts usually only go for a couple of years, Shiel being 29-31 during the rest of his current contract isn't quite the same as an 'over 30' that would have been 33 by 2024 and potentially losing his speed. 31 is still a respectable age for most players with his injury history or lack thereof.

You are right it’s splitting hairs & doesn’t change the point of my opinion, that it’s going to be hard to find a buyer because he has clear negatives going for him, including his age, which if you like it or not is seen as a negative in the system.

But like I said, I apologise for offering an opinion

 

[Brezsa]

Yeah, and then you double downed and said "I'm clearly talking about next season", newsflash, he'll still not be "over 30" like you said.

He will be over 30 next season. He turns 30 in April, the season continues past April, seeing as you want to get so technical on my posts

 

[Lore]

You are right it’s splitting hairs & doesn’t change the point of my opinion, that it’s going to be hard to find a buyer because he has clear negatives going for him, including his age, which if you like it or not is seen as a negative in the system.

But like I said, I apologise for offering an opinion

You don't need to apologise for having an opinion, but when someone corrects you, you could take it with a bit of grace instead of the passive aggressive stuff.

eth-dog could also have a bit of grace in letting it go after the point was made rather than wasting everyone's time going on and on for another half a page of posts.

 

[citizen-erased]

He is 30 for the team that trades for him next year. They can’t have him name, so the relevance is how old he is next season.

if they asked nicely they could have him now.....in fact not even nicely.
don't even ask

 

[Brezsa]

if they asked nicely they could have him now.....in fact not even nicely.
don't even ask

They should be allowed too, but that’s a different topic

 

[Wild Bill]

Ok sport

You’ve got me I was talking about the perspective of a team trading for him, but I didn’t make that clear enough for you that it was a post of how another would have to interested first before you can discuss his value.

I thought it was obvious I was talking about next season, clearly not obvious enough for you though.

Issac Smith was a year older and lot better and went for a 3rd round compo pick.

A 2nd rounders for a player that will be 30 by round 1, has no defensive pressure, can't kick and seen in the league as scared just won't happen.

 

[Brezsa]

Issac Smith was a year older and lot better and went for a 3rd round compo pick.

A 2nd rounders for a player that will be 30 by round 1, has no defensive pressure, can't kick and seen in the league as scared just won't happen.

I agree with you, I think they will struggle to even find a buyer. I think he stays at Essendon. In his current form & assuming he is on decent coin, I can’t see someone taking the risk. Similar to the Hawthorn situation last year

 

[faible]

Issac Smith was a year older and lot better and went for a 3rd round compo pick.

A 2nd rounders for a player that will be 30 by round 1, has no defensive pressure, can't kick and seen in the league as scared just won't happen.

He's willing to defend, just not right now when you've got guys like Parish doing exactly nothing on that front.

I'd imagine if we traded him, best case scenario for EFC would be paying a fair portion of his salary and trying to get a later 2nd either directly or throwing in a later pick to trade up to it.

 

[Wild Bill]

He's willing to defend, just not right now when you've got guys like Parish doing exactly nothing on that front.

I'd imagine if we traded him, best case scenario for EFC would be paying a fair portion of his salary and trying to get a later 2nd either directly or throwing in a later pick to trade up to it.

Im not sure he gets a leave pass for not doing something he should be because another player isn't.

5 rebounds from 50 in 8 games is really poor.