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Seems fairly clear cut to me, AOD IS approved for human use in Australia under a bizarre little loophole. As long as Alavi made it and it was for 'research' purposes, it technically is approved for human use and technically does not breach the WADA code.

Put a fork in the AOD argument, it is done. ASADA's only shot is Thymosin now (and less likely Hexarelin). And I imagine that Alavi somehow comes into play there too. Hilarious that there is a sole individual in Melbourne that is legally allowed to pull off shite like this.

Have to admire Dank's enterprise, crafty little beggar.
 
saladodger said:
If Dank has consulted with players, analysed blood results as reported and then implemented treatment on 6 players as rumoured, I would think that document does address the administration of AOD in those individuals cases.
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Pretty risky line for the players to enter into...basically rules out negligence plea if the defense doesn't fly with WADA.

ie is a player legal advice - you admit to consultation with Dank and his external doctors in the hope you can sneak through the loophole....but in doing so you are admitting to be complicit and fully aware of the substance you were being administered.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
lol, why?
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I suppose the argument would be that by taking the supposedly prohibited drugs that they brought the game into disrepute?

I find that doubtful in the extreme myself.
 

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saladodger said:
If Dank has consulted with players, analysed blood results as reported and then implemented treatment on 6 players as rumoured, I would think that document does address the administration of AOD in those individuals cases.
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As per my previous post you would have to argue it's therapeutic indication and mechanism of action.

Things we know about AOD and it's mechanism of action are:

  • It is a human growth hormone (HgH) fragment
  • It increases lean body mass via effects on the third subtype of beta-adrenoceptors
The onus would be upon Essendon to justify it's use.
Source: http://endo.endojournals.org/content/142/12/5182.long
 
saladodger said:
Thought your good self and your associates at the Bigfooty law firm might want to run your eyes over this for us, champ.
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The concept of a compounding chemist/ homeopath/ naturopath is where the take a bunch of ingredients, grind it up with a pestle and bottle it up to serve to an individual patient. Not generate it on a commercial quantity for multiple people (as it mentions in the code). Also there is no quality control on such a process. There is no way that a complex peptide medication could be manufactured by those means.

Now if Essendon players were being told that they were getting AOD but in fact only got the random ground up stuff (which would bear no relationship to anything therapeutic and in fact you'd be lucky if it didn't hurt you) , then you would have a case for not having breached WADA.
 
Linda Lovelace said:
Seems fairly clear cut to me, AOD IS approved for human use in Australia under a bizarre little loophole. As long as Alavi made it and it was for 'research' purposes, it technically is approved for human use and technically does not breach the WADA code.

Put a fork in the AOD argument, it is done. ASADA's only shot is Thymosin now (and less likely Hexarelin). And I imagine that Alavi somehow comes into play there too. Hilarious that there is a sole individual in Melbourne that is legally allowed to pull off shite like this.

Have to admire Dank's enterprise, crafty little beggar.
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Thing with research is that it needs to be 1) registered on a trials database and 2) have comprehensive records, study design, end points. Otherwise its not research.
 
Crankyhawk said:
Now if Essendon players were being told that they were getting AOD but in fact only got the random ground up stuff (which would bear no relationship to anything therapeutic and in fact you'd be lucky if it didn't hurt you) , then you would have a case for not having breached WADA.
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Actually, the players would still be in breach of the code by virtue of having the intent to consume a banned substance... so no good...
 
Crankyhawk said:
Thing with research is that it needs to be 1) registered on a trials database and 2) have comprehensive records, study design, end points. Otherwise its not research.
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...and 3) have approval from a recognized Human Research Ethics Committee.
 
Linda Lovelace said:
Have to admire Dank's enterprise, crafty little beggar.
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I don't know about that. I think we'll be saying "not as crafty as he thought" by the time this is over.
 
PieBeast said:
mxett or another one of our favourite Essendon comedians will be here in any tick of the clock to disagree with the expert Essendon hired in hope of avoiding WADA's wrath....
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Here I am. :D

Essendon asked two experts for their opinion on the supplements safety and WADA compliance. The herald sun article states an opinion from one expert who rightfully indicates AOD is banned by WADA. However I think saladodger has shown the loophole that has allowed Dank to use AOD in Australia in a WADA compliant manner. I'd say this combined with Danks confirmation that AOD isnt s2 banned is the evidence Dank showed the Melcourne and Essendon club doctors.
 
mxett said:
Here I am. :D

Essendon asked two experts for their opinion on the supplements safety and WADA compliance. The herald sun article states an opinion from one expert who rightfully indicates AOD is banned by WADA. However I think saladodger has shown the loophole that has allowed Dank to use AOD in Australia in a WADA compliant manner. I'd say this combined with Danks confirmation that AOD isnt s2 banned is the evidence Dank showed the Melcourne and Essendon club doctors.
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saladodger has copied from Twitter a completely irrelevant document. The one shown is for complementary medicines, things like homeopathy, aromatherapy, herbal medicines, etc. Nothing at all to do with the pharmaceuticals under question or approval processes, or why AODA is banned under SO.

I think that some people should follow the advice of Lance Uppercut, it is actually good advice in this case. That is, people should not post from rules and regulations if they do not know what they really mean.
 
Spongebob said:
saladodger has copied from Twitter a completely irrelevant document. The one shown is for complementary medicines, things like homeopathy, aromatherapy, herbal medicines, etc. Nothing at all to do with the pharmaceuticals under question or approval processes, or why AODA is banned under SO.

I think that some people should follow the advice of Lance Uppercut, it is actually good advice in this case. That is, people should not post from rules and regulations if they do not know what they really mean.
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Clearly the media have caught onto a loophole that could allow AOD to be used under specific conditions in Australia. All dank wanted from WADA was proof AOD wasnt banned under s2 because he knew a loophole that would allow its use outside of s0. The club are confident they haven't taken banned substance. ASADA are pessimistic about charges relating to AOD.

No matter what BF experts think the use of AOD looks like it won't result in player bans
 

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saladodger said:
Thought your good self and your associates at the Bigfooty law firm might want to run your eyes over this for us, champ.
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Cannot see how this is meant to protect them from S0. The fact that something not approved for human use can be used if certain proceedures are followed does not make it approved. But I guess that is what Essendon will argue and we will see what we will see.

Have seen more stupid arguments get up.
 

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shiraz said:
Actually, the players would still be in breach of the code by virtue of having the intent to consume a banned substance... so no good...
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Except the substance was not specifically banned under S2. Here I am discussing a way that they could get around S0 (ie the use of the compounding chemist). As I stated before there is no way that a compounding chemist could manufacture "genuine" AOD. Would be random ground up stuff.

But as I mentioned in another thread, the placebo effect is strong, possibly stronger that the true effect of any performance enhancing substance (this was recently presented at the Australian/ New Zealand College of Anaesthetists scientific meeting - subsequently requoted in media sources
 
mxett said:
Clearly the media have caught onto a loophole that could allow AOD to be used under specific conditions in Australia. All dank wanted from WADA was proof AOD wasnt banned under s2 because he knew a loophole that would allow its use outside of s0. The club are confident they haven't taken banned substance. ASADA are pessimistic about charges relating to AOD.

No matter what BF experts think the use of AOD looks like it won't result in player bans
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By admitting you found a loophole prior to the program starting you are admitting the club intended to and were looking for a way to cheat. Congratulations you must be so proud of your club.
 
saladodger said:
It has been stated that ASADA will struggle to get this garbage over the line in court. This would present as yet another obstacle for them to negotiate if they are to justify the shitstorm they've started and bust some druggies.
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This was "stated" BEFORE WADA said AOD9604 was banned and while Dank was claiming he had a letter/email from WADA/ASADA claiming he could use the product. Things have changed since then ..........
 
Linda Lovelace said:
Seems fairly clear cut to me, AOD IS approved for human use in Australia under a bizarre little loophole. As long as Alavi made it and it was for 'research' purposes, it technically is approved for human use and technically does not breach the WADA code.

Put a fork in the AOD argument, it is done. ASADA's only shot is Thymosin now (and less likely Hexarelin). And I imagine that Alavi somehow comes into play there too. Hilarious that there is a sole individual in Melbourne that is legally allowed to pull off shite like this.

Have to admire Dank's enterprise, crafty little beggar.
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Seems he is more across his own profession than the average media doomsayer or WADA/ASADA evangelist.
 
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