Everyone's Expectations For 2012?

[Tzatziki_Man]

This is some straight out fantasy shit.

You EXPECT O'meara for a fringe player and the comp pick? they want best 22 players. Foley or someone of that standard most likely and even that might not even get it done.

You EXPECT Heslin, who hadn't even kicked a AFL football until last year to make an impact equal to Martin in his first year? Martin was one of the best first year players in recent memory and you're EXPECTING that of an irish recruit?

I think these are thing you want or dream of....but do you really expect them?

LOL.

Peeps gotta start lowering the expectation bar or else we will all lose in the end.

 

[Final Siren]

Wow, I never figured myself for a Tiger optimist, but I definitely expect finals next year. I would accept a near-miss on the back of some bad luck/injuries.

I expected a bottom-2 finish in '10, I expected to finish around 12th this year, I can't see why we shouldn't have every chance of being a slightly above-average side in '12. Next year we should have the core group in place that we think will take us to our next flag, and most of them will have been playing under Hardwick for 2 years.

 

[In the Jungle]

I don't think we should be signing up Hardwick before round 1 2012, I'm not suggesting I don't want to keep him but look at the mess with Knights when Essendon signed him up prematurely....we'll know what decision is needed to be made by round 16.

What if we have only won 1 game at the season break? Hardwick would not last, nor should he, that would be 12 wins in over 60 games. He needs a minimum 8 wins next year and some quality scalps to get a 4th year or we must go after someone more experienced.

To avoid any disruptions to the club, playing group, etc, Hardwick needs to be re - signed. A further 1 -2 years will be fine. It is common knowledge (to the football world, including opporsition) that one of Richmonds biggest weakness, its failure to keep coaches; We need to persivere with Hardwick. Do l need to remind you of Thompson was 1 - 2 games away from getting sacked, the same can be said of the following coaches, Worsfold (last night mentioned as one of the best coaches in the system), Harvey was also on his way out;

The young Tiger list, has bonded making a pact of sticking together, this needs to include our coach, yes assistant coaches can be changed without any disruption to the harmony that currently exists;

Recently on MMM Brayshaw had mentioned that pruning your lists so hard as Richmond, Melbourne & North had done creates pain as of a result. During this 1 -2 year period these teams are expected to win, ONLY 4 GAMES A Year. Based on this, it appears all three clubs have exceeded expectations for the 1st year.

I say 1st year because we have pruned some 20 odd players over 2010 -11 seasons.
I am a firm believer that this years draft, player swap period, including pre season draft, will be the most important one for the RFC for some 30 years. The engineers (current coaches & recruiters)have assest the
foundations and the cracks go
deeper than firstly thought. As a result l believe, 3 -4 players will be swaped, this hopefully will include a geniune ruckman, whom (as King said on foxtel) will be a ruckman with presence all over the ground.
The draft we will need to nail (stating the obvious).
RD1 = best mid.
RD2 = key position. CHB
Rd3 = key position / ruck.
Rd4 = mid.
Whatever we choose it is important we dont fall into the following trap (again), recriuting a palyer of Nahas, Nason, King, Edwards, Contin, Hicks, Foley, Farmer, Jackobi size. We need palyers with size such as : Tuck, Jackson, Delideo, Grigg, around the ball. How often the smaller players are pushed easily off the ball, or can not stick tackles;

I look forwards to a "positive reply" regarding my view.

Go Tigers...

 

[Final Siren]

I hate the idea that if you finish bottom, you must be doing something right because you're "rebuilding."

When I look at the history books, I notice that successful clubs rarely hang around the bottom for more than one year. And I don't think there has ever been a club that missed finals three years straight then won the flag under the same coach. Missing three finals series in a row is the kiss of death.

The clearest recent example is probably 2004, when Richmond, Bulldogs, and Hawthorn ended the year on the bottom of the ladder, all winning 5 or fewer games. All began a rebuild: Richmond with Wallace, Hawks with Clarkson, Dogs with Eade.

2005 (the first year of the rebuild): Dogs finished 9th, Tigers 12th, Hawks 14th.
2006 (second year): Dogs made the finals, Tigers finished 9th, Hawks 11th.
2007 (third year of rebuild): Hawks finished 5th, Dogs 13th, Tigers last.

At this point it probably should have been clear that Richmond was on the wrong path, having missed the finals for three years straight under a new regime. Sure enough...

2008 (fourth year): Hawks win the flag, Dogs finish 3rd, Tigers 9th.
2009 (fifth year): Hawks 9th, Dogs 3rd, Tigers second-last (would have been last had Melbourne not tanked). Wallace was sacked, RFC began a new rebuild under Hardwick, everyone acknowledged that our list was in terrible shape.

Yes, we cut deep, and we're coming out of a deep hole. But it's not that hard to win half your games, either. If we can't do that after three years, something's wrong.

 

[Final Siren]

We need to persivere with Hardwick. Do l need to remind you of Thompson was 1 - 2 games away from getting sacked, the same can be said of the following coaches, Worsfold (last night mentioned as one of the best coaches in the system), Harvey was also on his way out;

Just on that, you can't persevere with a coach forever, though. At some point you need to realize it's not working. I'm a believer in Hardwick today, but if we're still serving up crap in late 2012, that will signal to me that something needs to change.

 

[ScallyWag1]

Finals. no if's and's or but's.

as per the plan we were given when dimma, benny and co stepped into their respective roles.

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

Finals. no if's and's or but's.

as per the plan we were given when dimma, benny and co stepped into their respective roles.

But If...

We were to improve on this year and we saw significant improvement throughout our list, and what held us back was a few missing pieces to the puzzle...


...would you still feel that way?

Because if you did, then I would be concerned.

 

[SleepingGiant]

Finals or bye bye Hardwick. I don't care where we finished last year or where we do this year, but after 2 years of development I expect results.

 

[Greggy]

Jack with his jump back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P9klP5jfeA&feature=related

 

[ScallyWag1]

But If...

We were to improve on this year and we saw significant improvement throughout our list, and what held us back was a few missing pieces to the puzzle...


...would you still feel that way?

Because if you did, then I would be concerned.

Richmond have already said they will go hard come trade time, so I assume we'll add a couple of pieces this off season. If we see that, plus "significant improvement throughout our list" and STILL fail to make the finals, then yes, i'd definitely still feel that way.

by the end of 2012 we will be 3 years into a 5 year plan which is supposed to be delivering sustained success and premierships, I don't think finals (not saying we need to win it all) next year is an unreasonable expectation.

 

[Parquet Court]

Here's my predictions for 2012:

Gain Zac Clarke and lose pick 2 and Thursfield
Gain Hamish McIntosh and lose pick 3 and Kelvin Moore
Gain gun midfielder with pick 1
Martin, Foley, Cotchin, Conca all fitter
Post a full time defender
With the addition of 2 ruckman, 1 midfielder and fitness to our 4 midfielders above, expect a few more wins next year.
I guess about 10 wins and 10th position.

a good plan with the picks mad tigger but im not confident that moore and thursfield have any currency...moore has degenerative hips ie: both of them not one..would be very surprised if another club would even entertain taking him.

thursfield has more chance of going, the club have to keep playing him to add some value to him.

do you think we need to trade for 2 rucks?? maybe an extra KPD or just do the one trade and risk it in the draft?

agree with zac clarke, looks a bona fide star ruck in the making.

post needs one more year, it would be silly to throw a kpp away after 2 seasons, we shall see what he can do next season

 

[sante]

We will continue improving. We improved a lot this year but for some reason we have fello away completely.

Next year we will be fitter, stronger and more experienced. Finals is a possibility for sure.

 

[rammbo]

Expectations r very low if we dont do some spectacular recruiting this year .

 

[telsor]

For those looking at a big trade week.

Remember that the following year, Free agency comes in and we should have plenty of cap space and (apparently) we're already looking at it.

Waiting a year might hurt, but it could work out far better for us in the long run to keep the draft picks/trades and throw money at players next year.

 

[aNImatedTiger]

Finals and a game plan that looks like working. No fifty handballs to get it out of the back 50 and just kick the damn ball.

 

[Neen]

I expect us to finish anywhere between 7th and 10th. Pure nuisance value if we do play finals, and if we finish 11th - then there will be blood.

Midfield will be in the top 5 starting mids in the comp. Hopefully we would have added some depth in the rotations. Add Deledio as a permanent midfielder.

Ruck issue will be sorted at the trade table AND National draft.

Defense will be built around Rance and Grimes. Moore should be back with Astbury as a swinging backman and forward. Bachelor will have a few more tricks with a full season under his belt.

Forwards will be feared again. Jack will be injury free, Griffiths will make CHF his own and Nahas and King will run amok.

Depth will be addressed in the midfield, and hopefully a midfield coach with half a clue (Cousins) will compliment an "A" or "B+" grade ruckman.

I think the blueprint from Day One of Dimmas' rebuild should be reviewed to see how far we have developed with a plan to take advantage of Free Agency in 2013. I would Extend Dimma's contract for at least one year if key indicators are met. I don't think another coach, with new ideas is going to work. How many "clean slates" do we need ?

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

1. No more floggings 12+ goals

2. Continued push towards youth with more games getting pumped into the kids.

3. Number of wins irrelevent

This should have also been a public poll.

 

[cairo tiger]

accountability and responsibility on all levels
neil balme would help as well

 

[mitch richmond]

Finals or bye bye Hardwick. I don't care where we finished last year or where we do this year, but after 2 years of development I expect results.

So we could win 11 games and finish 9th and you'd sack Hardwick. Good luck getting blood out of a stone!

 

[mitch richmond]

For those looking at a big trade week.

Remember that the following year, Free agency comes in and we should have plenty of cap space and (apparently) we're already looking at it.

Waiting a year might hurt, but it could work out far better for us in the long run to keep the draft picks/trades and throw money at players next year.

100% Good call!
Some people are saying finals or sack Hardwick next year. I reckon we're going longer term with this. Similar to what Geelong/Collingwood did with Mark Thompson/Mick Malthouse when they won their flags.
Pointless spending 100% of the salary cap next year when we are still developing the list. We have to pounce at end of 2012 when free agency is in and more gun players are available.

 

[rammbo]

Hav to go as hard as possible this year at trading for decent draft picks not established players.

 

[Groupie_]

The plan is to make finals next year so if we don't we've gone backwards.

 

[turtle27]

The plan is to make finals next year so if we don't we've gone backwards.

In fairness, it was a goal that we hopefully achieved, rather than something the club put a firm plan in place to actually do.

 

[mitch richmond]

The plan is to make finals next year so if we don't we've gone backwards.

The plan was for me to be a professional athlete and retire at 30 with millions of dollars and Charilize Theron.

 

[rammbo]

The plan is to make finals next year so if we don't we've gone backwards.

Well put it in reverse cause we will not make finals with the list we got right now and getn a chb and ruckman wont change this.