Science/Environment Explaining evolution and natural selection.

[M Malice]

I am a philosopher, first & foremost jason.

we are getting somewhere. my father who i have mentioned before was what i and he called spiritual. a few questions.

1. do you believe your soul can leave the body consciously? ie. astral travel.
2. have you read any of lobsang rampas books?

 

[Procrastinator35]

what you are saying doesnt belong to a science thread, it belongs to a paranormal board.

No....Epistemology & metaphysics form the foundation for all human knowledge....Including science.

That is why in any branch of study, once you go beyond a mastery of it, you are awarded a Phd....A doctor in the philosophy of Science.

Understanding science & it's processes is one thing, comprehending the grounds for that understanding is quite another thing altogether & is where philosophy comes into the equation.

 

[Total Power]

No....Epistemology & metaphysics form the foundation for all human knowledge....Including science.

That is why in any branch of study, once you go beyond a mastery of it, you are awarded a Phd....A doctor in the philosophy of Science.

Understanding science & it's processes is one thing, comprehending the grounds for that understanding is quite another thing altogether & is where philosophy comes into the equation.

So now metaphysics is the foundation of science

 

[Total Power]

That is why in any branch of study, once you go beyond a mastery of it, you are awarded a Phd....A doctor in the philosophy of Science.
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Rofl you are hilarious.. this is again plain wrong

In the context of academic degrees, the term "philosophy" does not refer solely to the field or academic discipline of philosophy, but is used in a broader sense in accordance with its original Greek meaning, which is "love of wisdom". In most of Europe, all fields (history, philosophy, social sciences, mathematics and natural philosophy/natural sciences)[3] other than theology, law, and medicine (the so-called professional, vocational, or technical curriculum) were traditionally known as philosophy, and in Germany and elsewhere in Europe the basic faculty of liberal arts was known as the "faculty of philosophy".



Philosophy as a subject got nothing to do with this. Even you have owned yourself. Quit digging i would suggest, afterall you know the objective truth

 

[Procrastinator35]

So now metaphysics is the foundation of science

Is that what I said?....read up senor sleight-of-hand.

You're out of your depth here TP, & you don't like it much.

 

[Total Power]

Is that what I said?....read up senor sleight-of-hand.

You're out of your depth here TP, & you don't like it much.

Epistemology & metaphysics form the foundation for all human knowledge....Including science

this is exactly what you said

 

[Procrastinator35]

Rofl you are hilarious.. this is again plain wrong

In the context of academic degrees, the term "philosophy" does not refer solely to the field or academic discipline of philosophy, but is used in a broader sense in accordance with its original Greek meaning, which is "love of wisdom". In most of Europe, all fields (history, philosophy, social sciences, mathematics and natural philosophy/natural sciences)[3] other than theology, law, and medicine (the so-called professional, vocational, or technical curriculum) were traditionally known as philosophy, and in Germany and elsewhere in Europe the basic faculty of liberal arts was known as the "faculty of philosophy".

Philosophy as a subject got nothing to do with this. Even you have owned yourself. Quit digging i would suggest, afterall you know the objective truth

More babble....Face it TP. You have zero comprehension of philosophy.

 

[Total Power]

More babble....Face it TP. You have zero comprehension of philosophy.

Phd got nothing to do with the philosophy you are referring to here. FACT

 

[Procrastinator35]

this is exactly what you said

Science is a subset & specific field of human knowledge....I said all knowledge!

 

[M Malice]

No....Epistemology & metaphysics form the foundation for all human knowledge....Including science.

That is why in any branch of study, once you go beyond a mastery of it, you are awarded a Phd....A doctor in the philosophy of Science.

Understanding science & it's processes is one thing, comprehending the grounds for that understanding is quite another thing altogether & is where philosophy comes into the equation.

> ??? > http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=2904700

 

[Procrastinator35]

Phd got nothing to do with the philosophy you are referring to here. FACT

LOL....Now you're a comedian.

 

[Total Power]

Science is a subset & specific field of human knowledge....I said all knowledge!

Yes so it means without philosophy and metaphysics there is no science? FMD are you even serious?

 

[Total Power]

LOL....Now you're a comedian.

more ad hominem. I asked for proof of consciousness independent of human body and here you are claiming stuff but cant prove it... sounds so........ YOU

 

[Procrastinator35]

> ??? > http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=2904700

Now we're getting somewhere....The entire categorical structure of biological taxonomy actually originated with Aristotle & was further developed & honed by Carolus Linnaeus (1707–1778).

 

[Procrastinator35]

more ad hominem. I asked for proof of consciousness independent of human body and here you are claiming stuff but cant prove it... sounds so........ YOU

You just don't understand metaphysics is all.

 

[M Malice]

Now we're getting somewhere....The entire categorical structure of biological taxonomy actually originated with Aristotle & was further developed & honed by Carolus Linnaeus (1707–1778).

do you feel inclined to answer my questions in post #151?

 

[Total Power]

You just don't understand metaphysics is all.

It is much better than your understanding of science, i am asking you to prove consciousness independnet of human body, i am giving you a chance to state your case, you are not doing yourself a favour here..you are proving what i thought you are all along.

Again let me repeat, this is science thread, now "i believe in....." thread. Why is it so difficult for you to understand this?

 

[M Malice]

goodnight, my eyes are sore and it's way past my bedtime.

 

[Pie eyed]

Funny campaigner.

Must be on one of Malcolm "how to vote" stands for the election.
I here they are all campaigners.

 

[Procrastinator35]

do you feel inclined to answer my questions in post #151?

No to both....But have friends who swear by Astral travel.

I more adhere to classical Greek notions & understandings of the human psyche.

 

[Total Power]

well if your opinion of "objective truth" like murder and time is anything to go by, i am sure i will get more fluff, i am not holding my breath really

 

[Total Power]

Anyway back to reality rather than discussion fiction.. here is a good article on evolution

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-could-be-just-as-bad-as-causing-extinctions/

The London Underground mosquitoes were first noticed during World War II, when tens of thousands of people took shelter in the subway system's tunnels while their city was bombed. The sunless, concrete passageways were different from the mosquitoes' natural habitat — and their normal food source, the blood of birds, was hard to come by. But there were plenty of humans to bite, and abundant standing water to breed in, so the bugs persisted. After seven decades isolated from the outside world, they developed their own feeding and breeding habits and distinct DNA; they can no longer breed with their aboveground kin. The subterranean mosquitoes, known to science as Culex pipiens molestus, are an entirely new species. And their existence is wholly thanks to humans.


Culex pipiens molestus is just one of hundreds of creatures whose existence has been shaped by human influence, intentional or otherwise. They include new crops and domesticated animals, but also creatures that were accidentally introduced to new habitats, or that evolved to exploit habitats built by humans. That's according to a review in the journal Proceedings of the Royal Society B this week documenting how humans drive the evolution of new species, as well as the extinction of old ones.

This could be bad news for us, but more proofo of evolution in action, without the bearded magic man

 

[Total Power]

Heres more examples of newer species .. for evolution doubters and specially you p35 who is claiming its just a theory, (its not...cause we can observe the process and in certain cases explain how new species came into existence like the mosquitoes )

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160628221714.htm

"We also see examples of domestication resulting in new species. According to a recent study, at least six of the world's 40 most important agricultural crops are considered entirely new" explains Joseph Bull.
Furthermore, unnatural selection due to hunting can lead to new traits emerging in animals, which can eventually lead to new species, and deliberate or accidental relocation of species can lead to hybridization with other species. Due to the latter, more new plant species in Europe have appeared than are documented to have gone extinct over the last three centuries.

Although it is not possible to quantify exactly how many speciation events have been caused through human activities, the impact is potentially considerable, the study states.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Anyway back to reality rather than discussion fiction.. here is a good article on evolution

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-could-be-just-as-bad-as-causing-extinctions/


This could be bad news for us, but more proofo of evolution in action, without the bearded magic man

Ha. I was coming here to post on this! Here's how the BBC wrote it up;

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160323-the-unique-mosquito-that-lives-in-the-london-underground

Regular riders of the London Underground may bemoan the iconic and occasionally fierce tube mice. But there is another, smaller animal living in the Underground that is perhaps even more at home in the subterranean network – since it actually evolved in the unique conditions of the tube environment.

The London Underground mosquito is a genetically distinct subspecies. It was first reported during the Blitz of World War Two, when the Tube's tunnels were used as overnight bomb shelters. Over the course of the war, almost 180,000 people sheltered in the Underground. They were ravaged by all sorts of insects.

"The Tube then was a very different place than it is now," says Steven Judd, Head of Environment for the London Underground. With standing water and different pest controls, flies, ticks, lice and fleas were a lot more common than they are now, he says.

After the war, other than the odd complaint of biting made by maintenance workers, the mosquito received scant attention. That was until almost 50 years later when a London-based doctoral student decided to study these subterranean biters.

Katharine Byrne collected mosquitoes from seven sites across the 180km (110 mile) network. She found they were fundamentally different from their surface-dwelling relatives. While the above-ground Culex pipiens bit only birds, the Culex pipiens molestus – named for their tendency to molest – had a taste for human blood...

...While they look the same as Culex pipiens, the molestus mosquitoes behave in a different way. Aside from being bird-biting, the above-ground midge-like flies hibernate in the winter, need blood to lay their eggs and require a lot of space in which to mate. The new subspecies does not require any of these.

"These differences can be interpreted in a straightforward way as adaptations to a subterranean life," wrote Byrne. Since there were no birds to feed on, they began feeding on mammals, mostly rats and humans. They mated in closed areas, because they had to – and they lost their tendency to hibernate in winter because there are no obvious seasons underground.

Byrne also found the underground mosquitoes are now so distinct they can no longer interbreed with other mosquitoes.

"There are differences in both the mating behaviour and the reproductive biology," says David Reznick, a biologist at the University of California in Riverside.

While the surface mosquitoes form big swarms in order to pair off and breed, underground ones are not as abundant so it is just individuals who choose each other to mate.

After the London Underground system's construction, the tunnels were largely sealed off from the surface, and some of the mosquitoes found themselves trapped underground. It was this physical barrier, Byrne wrote, that caused the divergent evolution of the two populations.


It was "evolution by natural selection but in a speeded-up form," writes Tom Quinn in his book London's Strangest Tales...

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Also, the Californian Salamander, another example of evolution unfolding as an observable occurance;

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110705211022.htm