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Danny Ricciardo really needs to step it up in the next few races if he really wants that drive at Red Bull. JEV has really improved recently and has out-qualified him and outraced him pretty convincingly. Definitely need to put in the hard yards to get back in front.
 
Team DJ said:
Weak as Piss.
He had to move to prove his legacy. Prove he is the best and its not the car.

Schumacher did
Alonso did
Senna did - kinda
Prost did - kinda
Piquet did
Lauda did
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How many championships has Alonso won since he left Renault?
 

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Team DJ said:
Weak as Piss.
He had to move to prove his legacy. Prove he is the best and its not the car.
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Vettel has nothing to prove. He has already won three world championships and is well on his way to winning his fourth, and has beaten his teammate in every single full season that he has been in F1. Vettel has proven his supreme ability in more ways than one. Don't forget that he won a race in the wet in a Toro Rosso, and scored a point on debut with BMW.

I fail to see how he can prove anything more by moving. Isn't loyalty worth anything these days? By extending his contract, he's repaying the faith that the team has placed in him. Team loyalty is a trait which is unfortunately not found in many F1 drivers.
 
OzBomber said:
Danny Ricciardo really needs to step it up in the next few races if he really wants that drive at Red Bull. JEV has really improved recently and has out-qualified him and outraced him pretty convincingly. Definitely need to put in the hard yards to get back in front.
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The wet/changeable qualys are really hurting him. He has JEV dead to rights in the dry, but there hasn't been a dry qualy in the last 2 races and JEV is lightning quick in those conditions. The lack of race pace in Canada after the first few laps was perplexing though.
 

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BomberFletch31 said:
Vettel has nothing to prove. He has already won three world championships and is well on his way to winning his fourth, and has beaten his teammate in every single full season that he has been in F1. Vettel has proven his supreme ability in more ways than one. Don't forget that he won a race in the wet in a Toro Rosso, and scored a point on debut with BMW.

I fail to see how he can prove anything more by moving. Isn't loyalty worth anything these days? By extending his contract, he's repaying the faith that the team has placed in him. Team loyalty is a trait which is unfortunately not found in many F1 drivers.
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He can prove like Rossi did when he left Honda, or Schumacher at Bennetton that he is in fact the best in the world. Everyone still has Alonso on the top of the best drivers list.

If Vettel can do some serious damage in a Mercedes for example a lot more people who stand up and take notice
 
Team DJ said:
He can prove like Rossi did when he left Honda, or Schumacher at Bennetton that he is in fact the best in the world. Everyone still has Alonso on the top of the best drivers list.
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The fact that he has won three consecutive driver's championships, and is on his way to winning four in a row is proof enough for me. I don't subscribe to the theory that people 'luck' into championships because they have the best car, one championship is hard enough to win, let alone three, and let alone all three of those in three consecutive seasons.

It's arguable that Schumacher's first title wasn't won with the best car (but rather by using illegal traction control and taking out Hill), but even so, he won six of his seven titles in what was indisputably the best car on the track. Does that diminish his achievement? No, of course not. Just because he won titles in two different teams is irrelevant.

Team DJ said:
If Vettel can do some serious damage in a Mercedes for example a lot more people who stand up and take notice
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Maybe for some people that cannot see talent even when it's staring them right in the face. In my view, Vettel is right up there with Alonso, Raikkonen and Hamilton as the best of the current crop of drivers. He doesn't need to change teams to prove that.

That being said, I'd love to see Vettel drive for Williams one day. Williams could use a driver of his calibre. I was very disappointed that we missed out on getting Raikkonen.
 
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Something of interest.
 
BomberFletch31 said:
The fact that he has won three consecutive driver's championships, and is on his way to winning four in a row is proof enough for me. I don't subscribe to the theory that people 'luck' into championships because they have the best car, one championship is hard enough to win, let alone three, and let alone all three of those in three consecutive seasons.

It's arguable that Schumacher's first title wasn't won with the best car (but rather by using illegal traction control and taking out Hill), but even so, he won six of his seven titles in what was indisputably the best car on the track. Does that diminish his achievement? No, of course not. Just because he won titles in two different teams is irrelevant.



Maybe for some people that cannot see talent even when it's staring them right in the face. In my view, Vettel is right up there with Alonso, Raikkonen and Hamilton as the best of the current crop of drivers. He doesn't need to change teams to prove that.

That being said, I'd love to see Vettel drive for Williams one day. Williams could use a driver of his calibre. I was very disappointed that we missed out on getting Raikkonen.
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Well on the second point the F1 Drivers disagree with you. They always vote Alonso the best.

And yes Schmui was in the best car. He made that Ferrari the best. It was a shit bucket prior.
With the Bennetton only being marginally better.
 
Team DJ said:
Well on the second point the F1 Drivers disagree with you. They always vote Alonso the best.

And yes Schmui was in the best car. He made that Ferrari the best. It was a shit bucket prior.
With the Bennetton only being marginally better.
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Schumacher didn't make the car the best, he made Ferrari the best team. This is from wikipedia:

By the conclusion of the 1996 season Michael Schumacher was being given free rein at Ferrari to build a team of engineers capable of returning the team to the top of the sport after years of underperforming. Benetton technical director Ross Brawn was hired and Ferrari approached Rory Byrne to replace the team's existing chief designer John Barnard who refused to re-locate to Italy. After long negotiations Byrne was lured from his retirement in Thailand back to Europe where he began building a design office at Ferrari's Maranello headquarters. By 2000 Ferrari were finally ready to challenge for the title and continued to build momentum in the following seasons. By the end of the 2004 season, Byrne-designed Ferraris had secured 71 race victories, six consecutive constructors titles and five consecutive drivers titles for Michael Schumacher with a sustained level of dominance never before seen in the sport.
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It was Schumacher's luring of Brawn and Byrne from Benetton to Ferrari that caused the ascendancy of Ferrari during the Schumacher year's and dominance followed.
 
Team DJ said:
I am very quickly being turned away from F1. I havent missed a race since i was 3 years old.

The races now seem to be who can drive the slowest without being overtaken to conserve tyres and fuel. Rather then who is the quickest car.

Senna would be turning in his grave. Prost however probably loves this style of racing.

And can someone rename Monaco without telling Bernie so it can be flicked from the calendar. Well past its used by date. Hamilton going from 2nd to 4th in the pits was the only thing that happened in the top 4 all day.
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Seems as if someone with a bit more credibility then BF Mods agrees with me.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108118?source=mostpopular
 

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Team DJ said:
If Ricciardo or Vergne replace him it will be a joke. And ill be off F1 forever. Neither have done anything.
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Would well and truely give him undisputed No1 status. Maybe Massa ? They do like to promote from within though
 
Team DJ said:
If Ricciardo or Vergne replace him it will be a joke. And ill be off F1 forever. Neither have done anything.
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I can't help but think that given they have invested money in a sister team for driver development, then the drivers would have to be pretty sh1t for them to throw that investment away and not promote one.
 

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