fair trade for mcintosh

[Rabbitpig]

Since when is we won;t let you go for a bag of peanuts forcing someone to stay? If you want to talk about culture we can talk about a club who has targeted a contracted player, got into his head that he is wanted and then act like cheap skates at the trade table. Now thats the culture of a shitty grubby club!

This thread is about North, leave the swans out of it

Yes I know Tippett isn't contracted

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I dont agree im very unbiased and if i were to get greedy i would ask for a lot more..... so in fact i think Geelong would actually be winners in that trade.....but im happy to take a small loss because in the long run it might even out....

Seek urgent medical attention.

 

[fpm84]

Geelong's interest in McIntosh is surprising. 29? Their list isn't getting any younger. Do they believe they are still in a window?

Um... in the past 12 months we have lost Ottens, Ling, Milburn, Mooney, Scarlett and Wojcinski.

Isn't it blatantly clear that our list IS getting younger?

 

[Damo80]

If you based your list on the assumption that all players are fully fit, you've got to be ******* joking me.

I assumed we were basing it on reality... not "if Hamish can play 22+ games a season until he's Dustin Fletcher's age".

Fact is, it's hard to compare Hamish to any AFL rucks, because he hasn't rucked a decent chunk of a season for 3 years. It's like saying Mark Blake would be better than half of them.

 

[CF]

You realize there's more than one of us? And we disagree about plenty and say different things? Find an individual poster who changes their tune and go hard at them.

It's been bad luck for H that he had injury problems when playing very well, Goldy played well, and the sub rule has changed the landscape for two big ruckmen. Fair play that he wants to go where he is needed more, and I hope he does get to enjoy the rest of his career. I'm not hung up at all on what North could get for him - as long as we can trade or draft to get a player or players that will better suit our needs as a result, the numbers are random.

I understand what you are saying mate and I am not having a go at all North supporters as generally you lot are good people. But there have been certain individuals who seem hell bent on making the whole trade an issue one of "us versus them". They did the same with the caddy trade before it was finalised. HMac is welcome at our club if a deal can be done and whatever the reason behind his wanting to leave North, the truth is he wants to leave and your club is not fighting it. So there is at least agreement at North about Hamish's future there in that respect.

I think if North want to get a better pick than 36 out of us, then a 3 way deal with Port may be needed. The problem Geelong has is that we need to trade Gillies and Brown to make room for Hamish and possibly Rivers. At least one of those need to go first.

I wish North all the best for 2013 and I'd love to see the Kangaroos successful again. But some of the North posters I have come across lately really seem a bit psychotic or something for some reason. I don't really understand it. I mean some posters demanding our 1st rounder and Motlop for an injury prone 29 yo ruckman is seriously delusional.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

I understand what you are saying mate and I am not having a go at all North supporters as generally you lot are good people. But there have been certain individuals who seem hell bent on making the whole trade an issue one of "us versus them". They did the same with the caddy trade before it was finalised. HMac is welcome at our club if a deal can be done and whatever the reason behind his wanting to leave North, the truth is he wants to leave and your club is not fighting it. So there is at least agreement at North about Hamish's future there in that respect.

I think if North want to get a better pick than 36 out of us, then a 3 way deal with Port may be needed. The problem Geelong has is that we need to trade Gillies and Brown to make room for Hamish and possibly Rivers. At least one of those need to go first.

I wish North all the best for 2013 and I'd love to see the Kangaroos successful again. But some of the North posters I have come across lately really seem a bit psychotic or something for some reason. I don't really understand it. I mean some posters demanding our 1st rounder and Motlop for an injury prone 29 yo ruckman is seriously delusional.

Can't argue with that.

 

[Roosurgence]

I understand what you are saying mate and I am not having a go at all North supporters as generally you lot are good people. But there have been certain individuals who seem hell bent on making the whole trade an issue one of "us versus them". They did the same with the caddy trade before it was finalised. HMac is welcome at our club if a deal can be done and whatever the reason behind his wanting to leave North, the truth is he wants to leave and your club is not fighting it. So there is at least agreement at North about Hamish's future there in that respect.

I think if North want to get a better pick than 36 out of us, then a 3 way deal with Port may be needed. The problem Geelong has is that we need to trade Gillies and Brown to make room for Hamish and possibly Rivers. At least one of those need to go first.

I wish North all the best for 2013 and I'd love to see the Kangaroos successful again. But some of the North posters I have come across lately really seem a bit psychotic or something for some reason. I don't really understand it. I mean some posters demanding our 1st rounder and Motlop for an injury prone 29 yo ruckman is seriously delusional.

I see you found some common sense. Not everyone is demanding a first round pick, but most of us don't see anything above 36 as reasonable either.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Since when is we won;t let you go for a bag of peanuts forcing someone to stay? If you want to talk about culture we can talk about a club who has targeted a contracted player, got into his head that he is wanted and then act like cheap skates at the trade table. Now thats the culture of a shitty grubby club!

a second round draft pick for a 28 year old VFL ruckman is quite generous so were you are getting bag of peanuts from i dont know

the guy doesnt want to be at north melbourne plain and simple, of cause his going to say his going to say to the media his happy to stay where he is bla bla because it would look bad of him to say anything else, bottom line is he has asked to leave and wants out of your football club and is a ten year servant on his last legs, be fair and trade the guy for his value or face the consequences of turning into a club that nobody wants to be a part of with a culture that treats its players second rate

i hope we do the exact same thing with mitch brown, his a 22 year old kid who wants to move clubs and im sure with the professionalism and player wellfare standard down at geelong he will get the move and we will take fair compensation of probalby a second round pick, we wont be demanding "overs" like north melbourne

 

[CF]

I see you found some common sense. Not everyone is demanding a first round pick, but most of us don't see anything above 36 as reasonable either.

roo I have never said "above 36"....I have said 36 is the best they will get from Geelong for a straight swap. You might get high 20's/low 30's if another club gets involved so you can get a pick there in the overall trades. You say I have found common sense but I have not deviated from anything I have said to you or anyone else since I entered this discussion. You are the one that chops and changes your story about to suit your mood. But when I said I thought some North supporters are acting weird at the moment...you were one of the people I was alluding to. No Offence.

 

[Son_Of_God29]

North couldn't give a s@#t what your sister f@#king club thinks his worth , his a AFL standard ruck man and miles better than what you have . The bloke is contracted to us so he can stay if needed because we have plenty of room under the salary cap .
End of the day YOUR club sounded him out so don't go the " I'm too cool , I couldn't give a heck " there's a risk in any player and H could still have 3 good years in him .
Just like Sarah13 comes on the North board kisses arse then pisses off and talks shit

Fine then mate Geelong should leave it 12 months we know that Brad Scott will not play HMAC in the AFL while Goldstien is fit so if HMAC spends another year in the VFL and leaves as a FA then the chances are the AFL will give North an End of 3rd Round Compo or they may abolish Compo picks altogether so North would get nothing - Remembering that by the end of 2013 it may have been 2 years since HMAC strung any amount of AFL games together

North Should take the deal thats in front of them

 

[Roosurgence]

Fine then mate Geelong should leave it 12 months we know that Brad Scott will not play HMAC in the AFL while Goldstien is fit so if HMAC spends another year in the VFL and leaves as a FA then the chances are the AFL will give North an End of 3rd Round Compo or they may abolish Compo picks altogether so North would get nothing - Remembering that by the end of 2013 it may have been 2 years since HMAC strung any amount of AFL games together

North Should take the deal thats in front of them

Don't you mean Geelong are desperate for us to take the deal in front of us? Taking Pick 36 won't change our fortunes in 2013, but you can bet your bottom dollar having H as your #1 ruckman will change Geelongs. I think you will find most North supporters are quite happy for him to stay, whereas your mob keeps pushing the he doesn't want to be there you should let him go line. I think I know which set of supporters is more desperate for this deal to happen?

 

[mufassa]

Fine then mate Geelong should leave it 12 months we know that Brad Scott will not play HMAC in the AFL while Goldstien is fit so if HMAC spends another year in the VFL and leaves as a FA then the chances are the AFL will give North an End of 3rd Round Compo or they may abolish Compo picks altogether so North would get nothing - Remembering that by the end of 2013 it may have been 2 years since HMAC strung any amount of AFL games together

North Should take the deal thats in front of them

I agree 30-40 is the mark for Hamish - the thing is we are rolling the dice with no back up ruckman. It may benefit us keeping him for 1 more year just to see if Daw or Mabon will be able to make the step to AFL. If he walks next year and we know Goldy does not have a replacement then we will have to hunt one in the the 2013 draft. I am on the fence with this one - if it does not happen I don't think it will be a bad thing.

 

[Seeds]

A third round pick is about right for McIntosh. Anything higher is paying overs. His career is nearly done and he is injury prone plus he is on a massive contract. Come to think of it, I'm starting to think 55 is overs. He is no better than Steven King when we traded him for like pick 80.

 

[Son_Of_God29]

Don't you mean Geelong are desperate for us to take the deal in front of us? Taking Pick 36 won't change our fortunes in 2013, but you can bet your bottom dollar having H as your #1 ruckman will change Geelongs. I think you will find most North supporters are quite happy for him to stay, whereas your mob keeps pushing the he doesn't want to be there you should let him go line. I think I know which set of supporters is more desperate for this deal to happen?

He is a 28 Year old Ruckman who is languishing in the VFL it doesn't worry me if we dont take him but he would have more chance of success and stability at AFL level if he came to Geelong

 

[Roosurgence]

He is a 28 Year old Ruckman who is languishing in the VFL it doesn't worry me if we dont take him but he would have more chance of success and stability at AFL level if he came to Geelong

I'd be worried if your pinning your hopes on West, Stephenson, Simpson and Vardy and I think your list management is too, otherwise we wouldn't even be talking about this trade.

 

[Dickie Greenleaf]

a second round draft pick for a 28 year old VFL ruckman is quite generous so were you are getting bag of peanuts from i dont know

the guy doesnt want to be at north melbourne plain and simple, of cause his going to say his going to say to the media his happy to stay where he is bla bla because it would look bad of him to say anything else, bottom line is he has asked to leave and wants out of your football club and is a ten year servant on his last legs, be fair and trade the guy for his value or face the consequences of turning into a club that nobody wants to be a part of with a culture that treats its players second rate

i hope we do the exact same thing with mitch brown, his a 22 year old kid who wants to move clubs and im sure with the professionalism and player wellfare standard down at geelong he will get the move and we will take fair compensation of probalby a second round pick, we wont be demanding "overs" like north melbourne

All fairly valid points and if I was a Geelong supporter I would be making pretty much the same argument.

I will say that the Brown comparison is pretty much an invalid one though.

Hamish has had the club stand by him for the last few years whilst he has been pretty much a non factor on field because of his injury status.

And all the while he has been on $400,000 odd per season for no return on investment.

He is still contracted for 2013.

Brown is a young guy who has been on peanuts for pay and has been looked after on potential alone.

I'd say that Hamish would know all this and would understand if we laughed off 36 ( which is more than likely 38-40 once compos are taken) and also realise that the compensation would be well and truly unders when all factors are taken into consideration.

36 and another pick or player would be more realistic from a North POV.

 

[Luke72]

is Mitch Brown any good? how about a straight swap Brown for McIntosh? perhaps it is players both clubs are willing to part with.
I hope McIntosh stays as he is worth more to the club than pick 36-40 IMO but he seems a good bloke who I would hope had some greater opportunities

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Been reported on afl website the deal islikely closing in on being pick 36 and a exchange of later picks so about

All fairly valid points and if I was a Geelong supporter I would be making pretty much the same argument.

I will say that the Brown comparison is pretty much an invalid one though.

Hamish has had the club stand by him for the last few years whilst he has been pretty much a non factor on field because of his injury status.

And all the while he has been on $400,000 odd per season for no return on investment.

He is still contracted for 2013.

Brown is a young guy who has been on peanuts for pay and has been looked after on potential alone.

I'd say that Hamish would know all this and would understand if we laughed off 36 ( which is more than likely 38-40 once compos are taken) and also realise that the compensation would be well and truly unders when all factors are taken into consideration.

36 and another pick or player would be more realistic from a North POV.

Is being reported on afl website that a deal is close to being finalised with pick 36 plus a late round draft selection

 

[Dickie Greenleaf]

Been reported on afl website the deal islikely closing in on being pick 36 and a exchange of later picks so about
Is being reported on afl website that a deal is close to being finalised with pick 36 plus a late round draft selection

Cheers.

So what are Geelongs next picks after 36?

It's around 54 is it?

I'm just wondering, as Donald McDonald was on record today saying that they rate picks inside the top 50 as essentially the cream and once you're out of that range it's pot luck.

If we got an upgrade to inside 50 then it would be a done deal.

 

[Dickie Greenleaf]

is Mitch Brown any good? how about a straight swap Brown for McIntosh? perhaps it is players both clubs are willing to part with.
I hope McIntosh stays as he is worth more to the club than pick 36-40 IMO but he seems a good bloke who I would hope had some greater opportunities

Vozzo was on the radio this afternoon and said Brown wasn't on the table and wasn't going to be on the table.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Vozzo was on the radio this afternoon and said Brown wasn't on the table and wasn't going to be on the table.

He's not on the table so to speak, but Geelong aren't against a trade for the right price.

 

[Dickie Greenleaf]

He's not on the table so to speak, but Geelong aren't against a trade for the right price.

Sorry, got him mixed up with the West Coast Mitch Brown.

Doubt if your Mitch would be on our radar though.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Vozzo was on the radio this afternoon and said Brown wasn't on the table and wasn't going to be on the table.

wrong brown, his talking about brown from west coast, not geelong

 

[The 747]

is Mitch Brown any good? how about a straight swap Brown for McIntosh? perhaps it is players both clubs are willing to part with.
I hope McIntosh stays as he is worth more to the club than pick 36-40 IMO but he seems a good bloke who I would hope had some greater opportunities

I would do that trade. Brown has promise but injury concerns, Mcintosh has exposed AFL form but injury concerns and wont play for long, Brown might do a shoulder again and never make it, McIntosh might get hurt and not play much. Or the reverse.

But Brown is a KP and North have a lot of them.

 

[Drew23]

the guy doesnt want to be at north melbourne plain and simple, of cause his going to say his going to say to the media his happy to stay where he is bla bla because it would look bad of him to say anything else, bottom line is he has asked to leave and wants out of your football club and is a ten year servant on his last legs, be fair and trade the guy for his value or face the consequences of turning into a club that nobody wants to be a part of with a culture that treats its players second rate

This is **** mate please get your facts straight before you come on here and start looking like a fool. Hmac would gladly stay at north melbourne if nothing eventuated. He loves the club and loves his mates there. He has requested to be traded solely due to the fact he wishes to play afl again and with goldy being a very similar ruckman that won't happen at north. So please pipe down go back to the geelong board and get a bit of background before you come up with that ****