Family matters (some 'Scray history as a distraction from the angst)

[geoffjennings79]

Too much angst on here atm, think we all need to stop and smell the roses occasionally, or as the BF regent used to advise, "have a Bex and a good lie down"... (greetings King Harold !)

Anyway, for a bit of fun, here's some family connections from the past to trawl through (triggered by my posting a stat I've memorised of Jamie Barham's entire Bulldog career on here recently!)

#1 The Barhams and the Bulldogs

Ricky Barham is a Collingwood legend, and having originated from Hamilton, was always tied to the Pies in the old zoning days. But he was preceded and succeeded by an older and younger brother who both briefly played VFL, but neither for the Pies.

Billy Barham played reserves at the Pies in the early 70s, but couldn't crack a senior gig, so headed off to a struggling Melbourne. Wearing the famous #31 jumper, he made his debut in Round 9, 1974, at Western Oval, against a Footscray team on the up and finals-bound. Footscray won easily, and fielded a 17yo Kelvin Templeton in his 6th game, an 18yo Allan 'Rocky' Stoneham in his third(!) season, and a 19yo Ian Dunstan.

Billy played another 8 games in 1974, including the return bout against the Dogs at the MCG which was a shellacking, with Peter Welsh kicking 5, and Quinlan and ex-Demon Parke 4 each for the visiting victors.

Billy played 3 more games in 1975 before his VFL career was over, the last of his 12 career games named on the bench in another poor loss to Footscray, in round 12 at Western Oval, with Templeton and Quinlan this time kicking 6 each for the Dogs. Sadly his coach, some bloke called Skilton, didn't see fit to give Billy a run at all, so he headed off to play at Woodend in 1976, and later coached Gisborne - which led to another (brief) Bulldog connection.

Meanwhile Ricky debuted in 1977, and quickly established himself as a regular at the Pies. Of course for us Bulldogs, one of his more memorable games was probably being BOG in 1984 at Western Oval in a game where Gubby Allan had a brain fade and set up Simon Beasley for a match-winning goal. R.Barham was everywhere in the last quarter, tagged somewhat unsuccessfully by Rod MacPherson - until a critical aerial contest late in the game which MacPherson outpointed Barham with a courageous mark.

Which brings us to the youngest brother, Jamie. Tied to the Pies under zoning rules being also from Hamilton, he'd headed to Gisborne in 1978, where oldest brother Billy was captain-coach. Under the zoning rules, he needed to be out of Collingwood's zone for 3 years before he could qualify for the Demons, who had Gisborne in their zone. So he subsequently made his VFL debut in 1981, for the ultimately wooden-spoon bound Demons, wearing #42. After 4 largely forgettable games (all losses), at the end of 1981, he wanted to join Ricky at the Pies. But Melbourne and Collingwood had very different opinions on his ability, and the Pies were only prepared to offer a fraction of what the Dees were asking for. So some bloke called Hart snapped up one of many rejects from other clubs to trial the youngest Barham at Footscray. While blessed with the same pace as brother Ricky, Jamie was unfortunately skinny enough to hide behind a broom handle, and Hart was gone by mid-season. So Jamie played his one and only game under new coach Bluey Hampshire, running out in the #54 at Moorabbin in round 15, 1982. The Dogs led by a couple of goals at each change up to 3/4 time, young Jamie flashed in and out of the play on the wing, occasionally in possession of the ball! But in a high-scoring affair, the Saints came from behind to win by 11 points, 131-120. Beasley kicked 6 for the Dogs, and Templeton 2, but Robert Mace (who?!) wearing #60(!!) kicked 7 for the Saints, to be the hero, ably assisted by future Bulldogs Con Gorozidis with 4 and Bruce Duperouzel with 3. Saints that day also featured future Footscray football manager Paul Armstrong, future Bulldog Mark Kellett, some bloke who could wield a willow and bowl a Kookaburra named O'Donnell, and a smarmy CHB called Grant Thomas, while the Footscray team featured noted stud breeders Terry De Koning and Bruce Reid!

So Jamie Barham's entire Bulldog career consisted of 1 game, comprising 5 kicks, 1 mark, 1 handball and 1 behind, and lots of flashy running on a relatively dry Moorabbin ground. He was dropped the next week, unfortunately for a game where the struggling Bulldogs smashed Geelong at Western Oval, kicking 10 goals in the last quarter, and Simon Beasley kicking the first of his double figure goal tallies (12 in that game), and Jamie's VFL career was over. (But not before, for some bizarre reason, I've committed his career Footscray stats to life-long memory!)

He does occupy a foot note in VFL/AFL history though - as one of a handful of players to play with different wooden spoon clubs in consecutive seasons (Melbourne 1981, and Footscray 1982).

And in a well-worn classification system on this forum, he was not the dud brother, but more the dud-dud brother! (Sorry Jamie, just a forum in-joke.)

 

[geoffjennings79]

#2 The De Koning effect (curse!)

In 1980, Footscray started the season under new coach Royce Hart as record-setters. They lost the first 11 games straight, against every other VFL opponent.

Having seen Bill Berry get spanked by Rod Blake and Sam Newman in round 11, Hart dropped him, bringing back veteran Bluey Hampshire, and debuting a young ruckman from Doveton called Terry De Koning.

Reversing a 12 point loss to Fitzroy at Western Oval in round 1 after kicking 9 goals in the last quarter to almost pinch the game, the Dogs were never headed at the Junction Oval in the return bout in round 12, winning a high-scoring game by 44 points, 167-133, for their first win!

Against the seasoned Ron Alexander, with support from former Brownlow medallist Len Thompson in the twilight of his career, Bluey dominated the hitouts. Young De Koning failed to register a single possession, but won 4 hit outs to kick start his VFL career. (He also conceded 3 free kicks, while getting none in return, but in those days it was just an umpiring conspiracy against us!)

Shane Loveless kicked 8 goals for the victors at full forward, but both he and CHF Templeton were also forced to contest ruck duties, registering 2 and 7 respectively.

Wearing the #11 jumper, Terry’s career was not exactly off to a scintillating start – 3 more games in 1980 yielded a grand total of 3 more possessions. So his entire return for 1980 was 4 games, 1 kick, 1 handballs, 7 hit outs, and 5 free kicks conceded. Luckily there was no Champion Data, etc in 1980, but I suspect he scored a series of ‘1’s in Sunscore in the Sun.

1981 brought better returns though. 15 games (only 2 wins), but kicks and handballs in most games, hit outs not so much, being behind Hampshire and Berry as preferred ruckmen. Still maybe something to build on.

Season 3, in 1982, sadly did not show a trajectory hinting at a long VFL career. Kicks, handballs and marks featured in every one of his 12 games (only 2 wins), but he barely rucked at all, his 196cm frame tried in vain as a defender at times. His 2 notable achievements for the year were receiving 6 free kicks while conceding 19, and bothering the scorers for the only time in his career in his last VFL game, round 22, in a big loss to Essendon (round 22 we went down by 146 points at Western Oval, after going down by 109 points in round 1 at Windy Hill). Amazingly we led 4.2 to 3.2 at ¼ time in round 22, but were then outscored 188-36 for the rest of the game, Bombers kicking 13 goals to 1 in the third quarter alone.

But Terry De Koning farewelled his VFL career by kicking 2.1, along with Michael McKenna, our only multiple goal kickers on a dirty day. The absence of Templeton, Beasley, Hawkins and Hampshire didn’t help.

But Terry wasn’t done with VFL, or Footscray, yet. He began producing children, loads of them:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...e-konings-all-12-of-them-20220704-p5az16.html

and his 2 youngest, and tallest, Sam and Tom, were drafted by the Cats and Blues in roles that the Dogs were crying out for. C’est la vie…

In a nod to his own career, someone – Terry himself perhaps, an off spring playing a prank, or a Bulldog supporter with a grudge, has seen fit to highlight his VFL skillset on his Wikipedia page:

 

[geoffjennings79]

#3 The plural of Jim Edmond is Jim Edmonds

In post-war Glasgow, the Edmond family produced 2 boys, 10 years apart, Robert (Bob) in 1948, and James (Jim) in 1958. In 1963 they emigrated to Australia, and settled in Bairnsdale in country Victoria. Young Bob adapted to playing football, but was also a bit of a teenage weight-lifting prodigy. Nabbing him before zoning took effect, 18yo Bob joined Carlton at the start of the 1967 season, as a ruckman-defender. However, weight-lifting was his true passion, and after 3 games in 1967 (his debut game yielded 1 kick and 1 handball, but his other 2 games were on the bench and he failed to touch the ball in either), and another 7 in 1968, where he was slightly more prolific, including a career-high 10 hit outs against Footscray in a round 5 smashing at Princes Park (where another of the 'brother' brigade Brian Kekovich kicked 6 goals), and only John Schultz stood out for the vanquished visitors, Bob Edmond decided weight-lifting was the go.

He did apparently play the odd reserves game for Carlton for a few years, but ultimately rose to the heights of representing Australia at the 1976 Montreal Olympics, finishing a credible seventh in the Super Heavyweight division, and then nabbing silver at both the 1978 Commonwealth Games in Alberta, Canada, and 1982 games in Brisbane, where he was pipped by Dean Lukin backing up after his gold medal at the 1984 Olympics.

Bob's younger, and slightly shorter, brother Jim was meanwhile gaining notice playing for Bairnsdale in 1976, and in 1977 was on the list at Footscray, who now had access to the La Trobe Valley and Gippsland leagues as their country zone. Debuting in round 2, 1977 under coach Bill Goggin, young Jim was plagued by inaccuarcy in his early years, but worked on his skills, and developed into a powerful, strong-marking medium forward, adept at kicking on both feet, and rose to become club captain in 1983 after the departure of Kelvin Templeton.

'Jock' was a popular leader, who loved the hurly-burly of the contest, and his team-mates, and thrived at first under the man who made him captain, Bluey Hamsphire, and then under the harder taskmaster who probably got the most out of him, Mick Malthouse - wheo even famously once dropped Jock for poor form while he was captain. Sadly, a misunderstanding (poor administration at Wester Oval - never!) saw other priority signings after making finals in 1985, and feeling he was an after-thought and not valued by the club after 9 seaons, the last 3 as captain, he was lured to Sydney by Geoff Edelsten and the promise of gold-capped teeth. Unfortunately, 1986 was an onfield struggle for Jim, and even though he played in the Swans Qualifying Final side, he had many poor games that year (playing on a small SCG with a rampaging Capper at full forward was not an ideal scenario for Jim's game), he moved on to the new Brisbane outfit for the last 2 years of his VFL career.

1987 was a successful reboot for his career, including a career-high 8 goals in a high-scoring win against Geelong in round 2 at Kardinia Park (some spud called Ablett kicked 8 for the losers!), and gaining notoriety in the round 12 game against the Hawks at Carrara. Hawthorn dismantled the Bears by 95 points, Dunstall kicked 11 for the visitors, fellow ex-Bulldog Hardie kicked 5 in a forgettable afternoon. However, frustrated at only kicking 1 goal, Jim made up for it by knocking Russell Morris into 1988! He got 6 weeks then - would be 16 weeks now!

Here's Russell thinking about how he will present his evidence after the fact, while waiting to be stretchered off:



There was no hard feelings though, as this 1998 interview by Morris (then a Ch7 boundary rider) and Edmond (then football director at Footsray) shows:



Edit: should have added, go to about 1:15 into the clip to see the 'payback', the first part just shows Jock was a little uncomfortable and stilted in front of a camera.

 

[geoffjennings79]

And here's a still that shows it was a 'football act'...




I think there was a second elbow on the grassy knoll:

 

[geoffjennings79]

I've got a few more up my sleeve, will post soon. But feel free to add your own.

 

[W W Biscuit]

Tremendous stuff. Keep 'em coming!

 

[geoffjennings79]

Not exclusively 'family' context, but enough vague links to qualify under the criteria I've set as the OP!

(Warning: lengthy post, image for reference at the bottom!)

Snap-shot of a point in time - VFL teams as selected on Friday 15th May, 1981 (coincidentally the round where Jamie Barham made his VFL debut for Melbourne), showing that, while we (I believe) rightly often decry the Americanisation of the AFL in terms of player movement, it was always there in some form, possibly moreso in the 1980s for a club like us with next to no success to show since a heart-braking elim final loss in 1976...

(I think I've covered all the links to us in the named teams, but I'm sure I'll miss someone.)

Collingwood
Billy Picken - father of future premiership Bulldog Liam, and briefly traded-for ex-Lion and listed Bulldog Marcus.
Ricky Barham - per OP post, brother of 1-game future Bulldog Jamie.

Essendon
Nobby Clarke - popular future u19 coach at Footscray (and tragically died far too young).
Max Crow - popular future Bulldog (after a stint at St Kilda) played some decent games, although not sure Beasley enjoyed Max's infringing on his leading space, ended his career due to a split testicle.
Alan Stoneham - former teeenage prodigy from Sunshine, allocated EJ's (actual!) #3 jumper, but like many, left for greener pastures.
Tony Buhagiar - future Bulldog in our 85 finals tilt (and one of many Sandgropers to enjoy their time in the sun under Bluey Hampshire and Mick Malthouse - Buhagiar and Malthouse were directly opposed in their playing careers).
Wayne Foreman an injured exclusion - ex-Bulldog moved to Essendon at the end of 79 with Stoneham.

St Kilda
Future Bulldogs Mark Kellett, Bruce Duperouzel (another ex-WA!), and Beanie Bennett on the extended I/C bench who had a single season with us in 84 (3 decent games) sandwiched in a 1980-86 Saints career

North Melbourne
Brian Wilson - ex-Bulldog (and future Demon), ex-Braybrook, future Brownlow medallist.
Gary Dempsey - ex-Bulldog, ex-captain, multiple BnFs, Brownlow, state player, etc, etc. Also to address a common misnomer on here, he instigated the departure seeking team success and to play finals, not because we pushed him out in a Quinlan scenario just for the cash injection.

Richmond
Future coach Mick Malthouse.
Emmett Dunne - close mate of Malthouse's who came across in 1984 to play under him, played in the 84 Graeme Allan/Beasley game, often back up ruck to Purser, but most notably played exclusively at FB in the round 7 1984 at Windy Hall to counter a rampaging Paul Salmon. A great club man, and memorably in that game, late in the last Q when we had the game in our keeping, he turned and gave our cheer squad a wave/double fist pump - he played a great blanketing game that day, but also happily stepped back to the reserves for most of 85 (may have been appointed reserves captain?) to guide the youngsters coming through.
Greg Strachan - poor b4stard was the sacrificial lamb played on Beasley a few times when Simon kicked double-figure tallies!
David Cloke - father of Travis (got him too late in his career, but at least we avoided TWO dud brothers!)
Shout out to Peter Welsh - there was a rumour we were after him while our own Peter Welsh was still playing, sadly never eventuated, but the old school Ch7 commentators of the era would have been apoplectic!

Footscray
Where to start!
Neil Cordy - future Swan.
John Reid - son of ex-Bulldog Bruce Reid snr somehow started his career at Melbourne, and finished it at the Swans.
Ex-Tiger Jeff Berry.
Bruce Reid - brother of John, thanks to Royce Hart moved to Carlton, depriving us of F/S access to Sam and Ben.
Future coaches Terry Wheeler and Ian Hampshire (Footscray) and Alan McConnell (Fitzroy).
Future captains Edmond, Hawkins and Kennedy.
Bill Berry partway between a start at Wndy Hill and a finish at Aredn Street.
Ian Dunstan who often filled in for an injury-prone Geoff Jennings (! ) as acting captain, son and brother of Magpies Maurie and Graham, but courtesy of a Fish Creek origin became a long-serving Bulldog (and briefly a Kangaroo).
Phil Bradmore from North Shore(?) in Sydney who went on to a successful career in the WAFL.
Terry De Koning - think I covered him in post #2.
Future Tigers Pommy Burton and Professor Michael McKenna.
Former Roo and future Lifeline director Colin Seery.
Mark Komp - Klippity possibly the perfect example of what not do biomechanically when kicking a football! (sorry Kompy!)

Hawthorn
Future Footscray BnF and Western (!) coach T.Wallace.
A Father/Son we could have certainly utilised in Michael Moncrieff (son of Bulldog Allan, who if it wasn't for military service in WW2 clashing with his VFL career would have played 100 games, but as rules stood in the early 70s son Michael qualified for us regardless, but saw a better career prospect at the Hawks).
Future Bulldogs coach and Will Minson

Will Minson

Age

39

Ht

199cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.2

4star

CL

3.5

5star

HO

21.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

3.4

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

1.4

2star

HO

7.4

5star

-fan Rocket Eade.

Fitzroy
One of our influx of 1983 recruits under Bluey Hampshire - Chris Hansen.
Some bloke named Quinlan (!!)
Scott Calyton - recruiting architect of a Brisbane three-peat, divisive on this board on exactly how successful he was in that role at VUWO.

South Melbourne
Former Roo, a third of the Dempsey trade, then Swan then back to Roo - Gary Cowton.
Barrel-chested Bulldog/Swan/Willi legend Barry Round.
Silvio Foschini - in his and Paul Morwood's restraint of trade court challenge saga and trade path to St Kilda, briefly trained at WO and for a split second was considered a potential Bulldog.

Melbourne
Garry Bull Baker - looked destined for big things as a Dempsey understudy in 1973, but when the opportunity came to nab Greg Parke, he and Charlie Pagnoccolo and John Keast were suddenly surplus to requirements, went on to a decent career at Melbourne, briefly at the Swans, Mordialloc and Moorabbin in the VFA, and a popular publican in Tasmania (not sure any patrons would play up with Bull in the vicinity!), and brief outing for Sandy Bay FC.
Debutant and future Bulldog Jamie Barham.

Geelong
Richard Murrie - ex-Queenslander and lesser-heralded arrival at VUWO in 1975 alongside Peter Featherby and Neil Sachse, took an outstanding one-handed mark as a Bulldog at Arden St, finished his career at Tigerland (and captain-coached Box Hill to a flag in VFA div 2!).
Bernard Toohey - pity we couldn't nab him earlier in his career via Sydney, added a welcome hard edge to Wheeler's 1992 finals-bound team, probably retired (by Wheeler) a little too early at the end of 1993 (had to laugh at a Princes Park game in that era - I was walking through the main car park on my way into the ground to watch the ressies, a nice looking ute pulled up and parked right in front of me, and out stepped Glenn Coleman and Bernard Toohey looking like they meant business!
The afore-mentioned and proloific stats-accumulator from Subiaco Peter Featherby.
Future in-your-face Bulldog Stephen Lunn.

Carlton
Robbert Klomp - future (briefly) Bulldog, note the 2 B's, aka "Night game TV for BOG 6 kicks and 6 handballs", originally from Netherlands via South Australia.
Malthouse favourite at Footscray as both player and assistant coach Phil Maylin.
Future popular Bulldogs reserves coach and Fitzroy senior coach Curly Austin.



Edit: I really should have proof-read that opus better, hopefully corrected the numerous fat-finger typos!

 

[geoffjennings79]

Could have (of??!! ) probably included Tigers' omission via suspension Geoff Raines, originating from Mildura, but for a fleeting second due to residence in Sale, we were in the frame to claim via our zone. Another one that 'got away'... ☹

 

[W W Biscuit]

Andy Preston as an omission from the Geelong team? He was on our list in, I think, circa 1986.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Andy Preston as an omission from the Geelong team? He was on our list in, I think, circa 1986.

Good call, thanks WWB, I forgot about him. You're right, 2 games in 1986. Wore Edmond's vacated #20.

Another ex-team mate of Malthouse at Richmond too!

 

[geoffjennings79]

I missed Robert Semmens in the Richmond team too.
Managed a few games under both Bluey and ex-team-mate Malthouse across 1983-84. Originally from East Launnie.

 

[scooter600x]

Could have (of??!! ) probably included Tigers' omission via suspension Geoff Raines, originating from Mildura, but for a fleeting second due to residence in Sale, we were in the frame to claim via our zone. Another one that 'got away'... ☹

We may have given up the rights to Raines in exchange for the clearance of Marty McMillian*.

*citation required

 

[Spiritof82]

Missed Con Gorozidis coming to us from St Kilda

 

[geoffjennings79]

Missed Con Gorozidis coming to us from St Kilda

I was going just by the named teams in my post #7 from 1981above.

 

[Fossie 32]

One of the highlights of my supporting career was I guess late 80s when we were copping a thrashing from Carltank at Waverley and Zeno must have been getting a sore neck watching the ball sail over his head at full back. When they finally missed a shot on goal I yelled out 'Well done Zeno!!'

9th May is a big day for Bulldog birthdays.

Zeno Tzatzaris is 59 today.
Alan Mannix turns 77.
And Bluey Hampshire would have turned 76.

Not the greatest players in our history, but all great club men, and I've never met Alan, but the other 2 are/were great people in person too.

 

[Dogs 13]

Allan Edwards missed all of 1981 hence why he isn’t named in that Collingwood side.
If there was ever a player who more logically should have been a Bulldog from the start I can’t think of any (except Sam Darcy )
The family Footscray bloodlines weren’t enough to get him over the line until the end when we recruited the statue of Allan Edwards for a season.

Also 1981 was Ronnie Wearmouth’s last season though he wasn’t named in that Pies’ team either.
Another one who got away.

 

[geoffjennings79]

We may have given up the rights to Raines in exchange for the clearance of Marty McMillian*.

*citation required

Wasn't McMillan also tied to the Thorpe deal? Certainly wore Thorpe's number. Either way, Graeme Richmond stitched us up - not an isolated instance when it came to us in that era. We should have had Ian Roberston too... but Carlton gave us Ken Greenwood so they could keep Robbo. Kenny was still a decent player, and ironically Robbo got to us in time to notch up 4 games to finish his VFL career.

Financially and administratively we were consistent through the 60s and 70s... consistently inept. ☹

Edit: Thorpe and McMillan started at their new clubs in 74 within a week of each other, so pretty sure they were connected. Raines might still have been part of it too scooter600x , but McMillan definitely part of the Thorpe deal at least.

 

[gordo2016]

One of the highlights of my supporting career was I guess late 80s when we were copping a thrashing from Carltank at Waverley and Zeno must have been getting a sore neck watching the ball sail over his head at full back. When they finally missed a shot on goal I yelled out 'Well done Zeno!!'

Zeno got 3 Brownlow votes when the Dogs were smashed by Geelong by 50 points. Round 19, 1989, Kardinia Park. Can you remember the game Fossie? Someone might recall who he played on? Ablett?

 

[gordo2016]

Allan Edwards missed all of 1981 hence why he isn’t named in that Collingwood side.
If there was ever a player who more logically should have been a Bulldog from the start I can’t think of any (except Sam Darcy )
The family Footscray bloodlines weren’t enough to get him over the line until the end when we recruited the statue of Allan Edwards for a season.

Also 1981 was Ronnie Wearmouth’s last season though he wasn’t named in that Pies’ team either.
Another one who got away.

Had all the talent in the world Butch. Retired at just 27, shame his body let him down as he could have been anything. Skills stood out in the 79 GF on a boggy MCG.

 

[bresker]

Billy Picken is often listed as coming from Hamilton, but he actually hailed from Macarthur, the little town near Budj Bim aka Mount Eccles.

Billy married Julie Mugavin. The most famous footballing member of the Mugavin family was Noel , who played for Fitzroy & Richmond . There have been many more footballing Mugavins who played for the proud & sadly defunct Tower Hill Football Club out of Crossley parish , between Koroit & Port Fairy . They played by the sea at Killarney oval.

As farms became bigger and smaller spud growers left the land , Crossley shrunk and the club disappeared. It would have been the most Irish & Catholic team across Australia . In 1971 only one farmer in the district wasn’t Irish Catholic . Apparently he was a decent guy so he was tolerated .

Billy Picken and Julie had a son , Liam .

Meanwhile one of Julie’s sisters married Brian Brown, a former Fitzroy and Essendon player . They farmed outside Killarney . Their son Jonathan is often seen having a matter around Port Fairy at Christmas time.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Love the thread, brilliant stuff.

On the OP - how uncomfortable and stilted was Jim Edmond on camera? Like a hostage situation.

'Get your 1998 memberships now... or else they're going to force me to keep talking awkwardly to the camera forever... Please get your membership now. Please, I beg you.'

 

[Fossie 32]

Zeno got 3 Brownlow votes when the Dogs were smashed by Geelong by 50 points. Round 19, 1989, Kardinia Park. Can you remember the game Fossie? Someone might recall who he played on? Ablett?

No didn't recall that fun experience Well done Zeno!

I did a search and found this replay which barely mentions us apart from at the end showing us unluckily sitting 22 points out of the 5 plus a mention from Scott Palmer saying Malthouse would stay on as long as we wanted him despite rumours of us folding. It was his last report from the Sunday Press as they were going out of business, funny to see an ape on the staff in the background - probably did a better job than some of the current AFL media And there is a special passage of play for historians at the 5:00 minute mark!

 

[Wocka]

Zeno got 3 Brownlow votes when the Dogs were smashed by Geelong by 50 points. Round 19, 1989, Kardinia Park. Can you remember the game Fossie? Someone might recall who he played on? Ablett?

I was there and IIRC he got 2 votes and flogged Gavin Excell.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Zeno got 3 Brownlow votes when the Dogs were smashed by Geelong by 50 points. Round 19, 1989, Kardinia Park. Can you remember the game Fossie? Someone might recall who he played on? Ablett?

No didn't recall that fun experience Well done Zeno!

I did a search and found this replay which barely mentions us apart from at the end showing us unluckily sitting 22 points out of the 5 plus a mention from Scott Palmer saying Malthouse would stay on as long as we wanted him despite rumours of us folding. It was his last report from the Sunday Press as they were going out of business, funny to see an ape on the staff in the background - probably did a better job than some of the current AFL media And there is a special passage of play for historians at the 5:00 minute mark!

I was there and IIRC he got 2 votes and flogged Gavin Excell.

I've posted about Zeno's 3 vote game on here recently. Regular defender Mick Ford played forward for some reason, Wigney and Zeno and Foster took on Excell, Ablett and Brownless. Zeno and Eppelstun did a job on Ablett, but I think Zeno had him for most of the game, hence the 3 votes.

Zeno's 2 vote game (these are the only Brownlow votes he ever got) was against the Dees in 86.