Favourite/Best guitarists?

[__aria__]

Yeah IDK a lot of people say that about Dave Gilmour but I don't really enjoy music that much when I can predict the next note of a solo i've never heard before it is even played. Good to chill to but not exactly interesting.

 

[exe ex machina]

And the speed demons are not predictable? Flamenco is not predictable? Rock n Roll is not predictable? That's what makes genres genres.

 

[__aria__]

Yea I do not particularly like any of those genres you listed either. Each to their own as they say.

I agree with u the shreddies are the worst and the only people that listen to these guys are some guitarists.

 

[exe ex machina]

Yea I do not particularly like any of those genres you listed either. Each to their own as they say.

I agree with u the shreddies are the worst and the only people that listen to these guys are some guitarists.

Another analogy....

Like saying someone who can type 100 wpm is a better "writer" just because of that, but writing is an art form like music, and so it's really about creating literature, not how fast you can just type. Same with music imo.

 

[exe ex machina]

imtypingthisandlookhowgoodiamatitbecauseicantypefastwithoutanyspellingerrorsandhavingnospacesisjust"tempo"

versus

i think...therefore i am.

 

[__aria__]

Ya I agree with what u are saying but to me Dave Gilmour is a writer that can tell a nice story but with a very small vocabulary to use ur analogy. If u have read one of his books u have read them all.

 

[exe ex machina]

Ya I agree with what u are saying but to me Dave Gilmour is a writer that can tell a nice story but with a very small vocabulary to use ur analogy. If u have read one of his books u have read them all.

You're entitled to that opinion because it's like art critiquing. Like connoisseurs arguing whether Van Gogh or Picasso is better.

And to the other posters out there, Im not saying that speed shredders are ruled out as "artists" but kinda that whole genre of speed shredding is not the determiner of "good" or not. But creating music is. Having range, having a catalog of creating music that "speaks" emotive force. You can tell the difference between Hendrix, Page, Gilmour, Richards, etc, because they all have a style and emotive force and great range. While guitarists who do nothing but a catalog of speed shredding are pigeon-holing themselves musically. Not showing range and emotive force. Ends up more like who can shred faster. Obviously they have actual guitar talent, in practical terms, actual physical skill, but it's hard to actually rate them as "good/great" guitarists in terms of music, range, emotive force.

Again, you guys will put me down for the "emotion" thing, but really that's the whole point of a musical instrument. Keyboards, strings, wind, or percussion, or even vocals. Eg, you wouldnt say Tom Araya (Slayer) or a rapper is a "better" singer than Sinatra just because they can peel off 50 words a minute to a beat. But the emotive force and vocal range they can showcase.

 

[__aria__]

spot on gg but for some reason hobbyist guitar players are strongly drawn to these shreddies.
It is really kind of funny because this phenomenon does not exist for any other instrument nor do any non guitarists listen to this music.

Always thought this was very strange although I did go through this phase myself for 6 mths when I first picked up the guitar. I was very into sweep picking and such until I realised that it is very difficult or impossible to create any harmonically, melodically or rhythmically interesting music using these strange techniques.

 

[mr_cellotape]

yeah jeez sweep picking is pretty hard he must be good

No-ones saying you have to like it. But claiming he sucks because he's got excellent technique is just... irrational.

 

[exe ex machina]

spot on gg but for some reason hobbyist guitar players are strongly drawn to these shreddies.
It is really kind of funny because this phenomenon does not exist for any other instrument nor do any non guitarists listen to this music.

Well it's good to know others out there see this too. I know in this music board people can sometimes steer clear of it because of the cliques here that can mock and run people out making them feel like idiots for posting stuff. I copped it a little in this thread when they all mocked the "emotion" thing. And ive seen it before when other musos start "best of" threads....best drummer, best guitarist, etc.

 

[__aria__]

No-ones saying you have to like it. But claiming he sucks because he's got excellent technique is just... irrational.

To be honest I did not even watch the video and I didn't say anyone sucked. I just thought that it was funny how u implied that his mates criticism can't be taken seriously because he can not sweep pick.

 

[mr_cellotape]

To be honest I did not even watch the video and I didn't say anyone sucked. I just thought that it was funny how u implied that his mates criticism can't be taken seriously because he can not sweep pick.

All I implied was that it was a stupid comment ("I hope he improves with his next half dozen lessons") because the guy clearly has chops.

 

[Schism]

To be honest I did not even watch the video and I didn't say anyone sucked. I just thought that it was funny how u implied that his mates criticism can't be taken seriously because he can not sweep pick.

This sums up a certain group on the music board perfectly.

'I don't watch or listen to any of the music you post or listen to....but it all sucks'

 

[__aria__]

ok now please quote the post where I said it sucked or for that matter please quote the post where I commented on the video at all.

Keep up the quality posting Schism

 

[Schism]

yeah jeez sweep picking is pretty hard he must be good

I agree with u the shreddies are the worst and the only people that listen to these guys are some guitarists.

You agree with other people who said he sucked...without even watching the clip.

I have an idea...post a clip of you showing us your elite skills.

I will keep up the quality posts,don't worry.You keep up with the jealous,uninformed old man posts.Fits in well with some others here.

 

[__aria__]

Haha poor effort. Neither of those posts have anything to do with that video.

First post as I have already explained I was laughing at that guys logic.
2nd post me and GG were having a conversation about Dave Gilmour and shreddies. I don't think either of us mentioned the video. I have not made one comment on that video or even given that video any thought at all! Very funny!


Haha now what does my playing ability have anything to do with anything and what exactly am I jealous of or uninformed about? This is classic!

 

[krisholio14]

Yea I do not particularly like any of those genres you listed either. Each to their own as they say.

I agree with u the shreddies are the worst and the only people that listen to these guys are some guitarists.

Wrongo.

I'm not a guitarist, or even a musician, and I listen to them.

What's more I enjoy them and appreciate what they bring to the table.

For example, I went to Grindcore 2009 last Sunday night and thoroughly enjoyed the raw energy, power and technique these bands play with.

Later during the week, I saw two of the finest musicians of the modern era in Jeff Beck and Neil Young. I thoroughly enjoyed them too, despite the fact it's a whole different mood and style.

Watching Vinnie Colaiuta, for example, it was pretty clear to me that watching this bloke drum, he is, and has been, comfotable playing under all musical banners. He's one of the finest exponents of the instument full stop, and he's played with everyone from Faith Hill to Megadeth. Is he suddenly a shit drummer because he played with 'shredders' like Dave Mustaine, or boring because he's played with blokes like Jeff Beck?

I have read articles that have spoken to some of the worlds finest classically trained musicians, who have been asked to cast an eye and ear over these 'sheddies' and the musicians they play with, and the music they play. The overall assessment was, this kind of music may not be for you, but the music played is extremely hard to execute, and even harder to bring together in such complicated song structures.

I think both sides of this coin are just as biased as the other for the most part, what I don't understand is why musicians that do not fit into the tastes of the listener have to be automatically dismissed as poor or boring players.

 

[Upgrayedd]

You wouldn't be a prog metal fan by any chance would you?

If its not boring, Usually however thats an oxymoron with prog, i like some stuff

 

[Ron The Bear]

The fact that he recorded the three Jimi Hendrix Experience albums in under 2 years is amazing, not to mention the fact that most of Axis: Bold As Love was recorded in a single, overnight session after a tape was lost in the back of a taxi.

LOL. Mixed, it was mixed in one night. Hendrix was suspected of deliberately 'losing' the master because he was unhappy with the original mix and wanted to buy some time to redo it to his satisfaction. But even in the 60's, schedules were schedules and Side 1 had to be remixed in an eleven-hour session.

 

[cats56]

heh..

Thing is,i said Jarzombek is cool.I didn't say he was the best or my favourite.But cats,being one of the old timers with no exposure to music beyond his limited intellect and taste,sees what he wants to see,and comments accordingly.

Wikipedia on Jarzombek:

'His playing technique is best described as a crossover between Vai-esque shred-style and extreme metal, mixed with a considerable amount of his unique humour; while his guitar-playing speed and complexity is more than impressive, he often chooses unusual scenarios for his music: ******* Ink's debut encompassed tunes like "A Wild Hare", which is a visual-to-music transcription of scenes featuring Thumper from Disney's Bambi, and "A Morning With Squeaky", which tells the musical tale of a squirrel on the prowl for some breakfast. Ink's second album was a concept album; the subject seems to be a redneck's difficulties with his newfangled computer. His solo albums amplify this silliness and complexity to yet another level.

His career survived to a 3 years period of hand problems (several operations during 1991-1994) and he had to relearn how to play.

Some people would classify his music as Math-Metal, because his compositions obey to some very strict rules (Circle of 12 tones).'
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Maybe he has to have tears streaming down his cheeks while pointlessly noodling to some bongos before cats is interested.

Sorry but i just can't take anything you quote seriously. First of all you listen to music on an Ipod! Wtf! No wonder you have no understanding of what music conveys! Then when i list Thorpie on my list of Oz guitarists, you quote "The Best". Now i loved Bill and obviously do rate him, but Lobby Lloyd was/is, but from your extremely limited and ignorant knowledge i'd say you have no idea who Lobby is. I would also say you would lack any capacity to form an opinion on the list i presented which was compiled from some of the most knowledgable people in music in Melbourne, which is something you would never have the capacity to be even considered for.

Enjoy living in your little fantasy world with your head in your Ipod, which i suppose is a bit of a relief from having it stuck up your arse the rest of the time.

And before you try to to say i know nothing of the guitarists you list, my 15 y-o nephew plays in a similiar vein, but with a hell of a lot more conviction than the joker you presented.

Going for anice few days break now, look forward to having more laughs at your enlightening comments when i return.

 

[krisholio14]

Sorry but i just can't take anything you quote seriously. First of all you listen to music on an Ipod! Wtf! No wonder you have no understanding of what music conveys!

OK, so you're telling me a musical opinion means more or less relative to the equipment you use to listen to it?

That's a pretty smug and arrogant thing to say.

Sure, I have a reasonably large collection of vinyl and would consider myself somewhat of an audiophile, but seriously, we can't all afford rigs like this.....

Let alone find the space to set one up.

It's like saying you're a better driver if you own a Ferarri.

Does that mean when I watch sport on my old fashioned 51 inch tube that my opinion is worthless compared to those who watch theirs on a giant plasma or LCD TV? Sheesh!

 

[Dagless]

Sorry but i just can't take anything you quote seriously. First of all you listen to music on an Ipod! Wtf! No wonder you have no understanding of what music conveys! Then when i list Thorpie on my list of Oz guitarists, you quote "The Best". Now i loved Bill and obviously do rate him, but Lobby Lloyd was/is, but from your extremely limited and ignorant knowledge i'd say you have no idea who Lobby is. I would also say you would lack any capacity to form an opinion on the list i presented which was compiled from some of the most knowledgable people in music in Melbourne, which is something you would never have the capacity to be even considered for.

Enjoy living in your little fantasy world with your head in your Ipod, which i suppose is a bit of a relief from having it stuck up your arse the rest of the time.

And before you try to to say i know nothing of the guitarists you list, my 15 y-o nephew plays in a similiar vein, but with a hell of a lot more conviction than the joker you presented.

Going for anice few days break now, look forward to having more laughs at your enlightening comments when i return.

lulz... Sums up this post perfectly

 

[jazz]

Later during the week, I saw two of the finest musicians of the modern era in Jeff Beck and Neil Young. I thoroughly enjoyed them too, despite the fact it's a whole different mood and style.

Watching Vinnie Colaiuta, for example, it was pretty clear to me that watching this bloke drum, he is, and has been, comfotable playing under all musical banners. He's one of the finest exponents of the instument full stop, and he's played with everyone from Faith Hill to Megadeth. Is he suddenly a shit drummer because he played with 'shredders' like Dave Mustaine, or boring because he's played with blokes like Jeff Beck?

He Diablo - I found the bootleg recording from the Melbourne show on 26/1. It is superb.

PM me for the link if you want it (and haven't already go it).

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

Sure, I have a reasonably large collection of vinyl and would consider myself somewhat of an audiophile, but seriously, we can't all afford rigs like this.....

How did you get into my house?

 

[krisholio14]

He Diablo - I found the bootleg recording from the Melbourne show on 26/1. It is superb.

PM me for the link if you want it (and haven't already go it).

PM sent.

Thanks for giving me the heads up too