Society/Culture Feminism part 1 - continued in part 2

[Chief]

Dusty threatening to stab someone in the face with chopsticks gets a "meeting with senior staff to discuss the issue".

Richmond don't care about their brand and are not afraid of SJWs?

 

[Illinois Nazi]

As has been explained many times now, the employers seem to have had a good look at his Facebook and presumably took exception to his racial and sexual comments, for example.

I doubt they even looked that hard. More likely they panicked a bit and did what they thought would avoid bad publicity.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

Dusty threatening to stab someone in the face with chopsticks gets a "meeting with senior staff to discuss the issue".

Richmond don't care about their brand and are not afraid of SJWs?

Dustin's probably worth a few more $ to Richmond than old mate was to whoever it was he worked for. It will be interesting to see what action they (and the AFL) take!

 

[medusala]

CFord is a lightning rod. Her blog is maintained on hits to Fairfax' online mastheads. If there is a brouhaha like this, there is more hits. Its the Bolta or miltant passive aggressive feminism equivalence n extemporisation

Yep just click bait to get outrage from the sans culottes.

It's not like she would milk this for publicity at all.

 

[Chief]

I doubt they even looked that hard. More likely they panicked a bit and did what they thought would avoid bad publicity.

You'd think they'd have checked his contract to see if they were legally able to can him.

I had a mate who was sacked for having adult material on his work laptop - it was in an email someone else had sent him. Surprise surprise they used it to try to get out of paying out his share bonus. Court case sorted them out, with costs.

 

[medusala]

You'd think they'd have checked his contract to see if they were legally able to can him.

I had a mate who was sacked for having adult material on his work laptop - it was in an email someone else had sent him. Surprise surprise they used it to try to get out of paying out his share bonus. Court case sorted them out, with costs.

Plenty of firms have (or used to when I was working for banks) no personal use of pc in employees work contract. Havent there been cases in Oz that ruled that was unreasonable though? I remember one years ago re a company having a go at someone re union related emails on work time. No idea how that relates to facebook etc.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

Plenty of firms have (or used to when I was working for banks) no personal use of pc in employees work contract. Havent there been cases in Oz that ruled that was unreasonable though? I remember one years ago re a company having a go at someone re union related emails on work time. No idea how that relates to facebook etc.

I think at most big workplaces, when they want to get rid of you it's the first place they go to.

 

[romeohwho]

I doubt they even looked that hard. More likely they panicked a bit and did what they thought would avoid bad publicity.

Maybe, I suppose we can't know although assume they wouldn't be that sloppy-you can't just sack people can you? And can't imagine they didn't think they'd get some flak for sacking the guy. Although come to think of it, they aren't getting much flak are they-Ford's getting that. Maybe they knew how it would pan out because of Ford's involvement!

 

[Chief]

Maybe, I suppose we can't know although assume they wouldn't be that sloppy-you can't just sack people can you? And can't imagine they didn't think they'd get some flak for sacking the guy. Although come to think of it, they aren't getting much flak are they-Ford's getting that. Maybe they knew how it would pan out because of Ford's involvement!

"If we sack him we will be acknowledged as victims of SJWs. So will he. Win all around. Except he loses."

 

[cartwright]

oh diddums. Person who makes a living inciting controversy cops a controversial epithet in return.The horror.

Turns out he called her a **** on facebook. Oh noes. It's tantamount to physical rape!
She was assaulted by pixels. He lost his livelihood.

Utterly idiotic thing to say.

Yep just click bait to get outrage from the sans culottes.

It's not like she would milk this for publicity at all.

and you guys keep going back to read it. hmm.

 

[blackcat]

is C-Ford self-aware enough to know the symbiosis dynamic, and enabling idiots on the inverted side of the coin. that would be a mirror to the idiots, but as a willing opposition requiring the fight, she may have well been some picket-line cause or protest in the CBD, she just chose this one. A bit like Turnbull chose the Republican cause, he merely saw this as a stepping stone, and was a vacant position to fill in the 90s.

 

[blackcat]

Yep just click bait to get outrage from the sans culottes.

It's not like she would milk this for publicity at all.

evo likes this.

 

[blackcat]

Difference is Bolt rallies around those in power.

past tense.

rallied.
i will dedicate this poem to skilts

detests rallies unless they can be like Miller Crucible Salem Witch, Chaffbag Jones Bolt Gillard drown or ditch

 

[Chief]

is C-Ford self-aware enough to know the symbiosis dynamic, and enabling idiots on the inverted side of the coin. that would be a mirror to the idiots, but as a willing opposition requiring the fight, she may have well been some picket-line cause or protest in the CBD, she just chose this one. A bit like Turnbull chose the Republican cause, he merely saw this as a stepping stone, and was a vacant position to fill in the 90s.

Who knows?

I'm more interested in what has become acceptable to post under your own name online, and why. It just astounds me that people with open Fb pages post the most vile rot on their own page and on comments sections of other pages or sites. The letters to the editor no longer has an editor and some people seem to have gone nuts over the last decade.

I don't agree with what she has done, really, but after 15 years I know the temptation and frustration. I forget that some people have only just come into a position where they are the target of loons and psychos.

 

[CbayT]

As has been explained many times now, the employers seem to have had a good look at his Facebook and presumably took exception to his racial and sexual comments, for example. Interestingly enough, if 'all' he had done was call Ford a '****', I suspect he would probably still have his job. Coz that's ok apparently!

Unlikely considering who accused. Wrongful dismissal wouldn't cost that much if they didn't have either a standard contract clause about bringing the company into disrepute or a social media policy.

 

[CbayT]

Can she be held responsible for what the employer does? No.

Can he be held responsible for what HE does? Yes.

Pretty simple.

So far we've had widespread "he shouldn't have done that it was deplorable" followed by a much longer critique of what she did.

Maybe its because what he did was pretty straightforward disgusting, but there is debate to be had about what Ford did?

Where is the critique of what he did, his motivations, why he thought he could do it with impunity?


I'll start:

Where does a person get the idea that this is how they should behave towards other people? That slurs and threats are fair comment?

Why do you support vigilante actions?

 

[Chief]

Why do you support vigilante actions?

Vigilante? Tell us what you mean by that.

 

[Werewolf]

Why do you support vigilante actions?

Though a drastic course of action, a sacking sends a strong message to keyboard warriors. Rule of thumb, you shouldn't post stuff that you wouldn't want your mother to see. As unpleasant as some feminists are*, malicious threats like rape and murder are unacceptable. BORK said it best:

Stupid games. Stupid prizes. Both seem like undesirable characters.

* Speaking of which, C. Ford seems to have gotten away with similar transgressions

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...mments/so_now_banks_are_censoring_columnists/

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...h/comments/the_many_moods_of_clementine_ford/

 

[blackcat]

Who knows?

I'm more interested in what has become acceptable to post under your own name online, and why. It just astounds me that people with open Fb pages post the most vile rot on their own page and on comments sections of other pages or sites. The letters to the editor no longer has an editor and some people seem to have gone nuts over the last decade.

I don't agree with what she has done, really, but after 15 years I know the temptation and frustration. I forget that some people have only just come into a position where they are the target of loons and psychos.

posting like blackcat does unna his nom-de-plume does not axiomatically legitimate all of the execrable dross she posts. how would it legitimise what she posted if she posted it on facebook. *


*non sensical onpurpose,

what Chief, he of unmatched wisdom is asking, is what social norms exist in everyday life, lets call that real life, these norms disappear when one interacts with a monitor and the pc, even when we still have to put our names and our names (us), we are responsible for it.

Chief, he of unmatched wisdom asks about the disconnect. Is this a modern internet thing, availing this disconnect to be enabled, or is this dissociation latent?

p'raps Chief, he of unmatched wisdom, the "norms" are entirely superficial and a pretense, and the internet and a computer monitor may allow us to dispense of this veil to show the true self. Then you can ask what way misogyny is a social construction itself with paternal culture, or if it has some servant to power relations. guru may answer GuruJane

#Chief, he of unmatched wisdom

evo can answer the gender studies 101 and C-Ford.

 

[HollyZholm]

is C-Ford self-aware enough to know the symbiosis dynamic, and enabling idiots on the inverted side of the coin. that would be a mirror to the idiots, but as a willing opposition requiring the fight, she may have well been some picket-line cause or protest in the CBD, she just chose this one. A bit like Turnbull chose the Republican cause, he merely saw this as a stepping stone, and was a vacant position to fill in the 90s.

C-Ford and self aware just do not go together. She is Abbott-eske in her black/white, us/them thinking. She doesn't seem like a very nice person, nor does she seem to care too much about it. There is a bit of Ronda Rousey about her.

 

[HollyZholm]

Though a drastic course of action, a sacking sends a strong message to keyboard warriors. Rule of thumb, you shouldn't post stuff that you wouldn't want your mother to see. As unpleasant as some feminists are*, malicious threats like rape and murder are unacceptable. BORK said it best:



* Speaking of which, C. Ford seems to have gotten away with similar transgressions

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...mments/so_now_banks_are_censoring_columnists/

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...h/comments/the_many_moods_of_clementine_ford/

Are C-Ford and Sarah Hanson-Young in any way related? They come across as the same person.

 

[DemonTim]

Though a drastic course of action, a sacking sends a strong message to keyboard warriors. Rule of thumb, you shouldn't post stuff that you wouldn't want your mother to see. As unpleasant as some feminists are*, malicious threats like rape and murder are unacceptable. BORK said it best:



* Speaking of which, C. Ford seems to have gotten away with similar transgressions

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...mments/so_now_banks_are_censoring_columnists/

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...h/comments/the_many_moods_of_clementine_ford/

I don't actually think she's a feminist. She's just an abusive moron.

 

[Chief]

posting like blackcat does unna his nom-de-plume does not axiomatically legitimate all of the execrable dross she posts. how would it legitimise what she posted if she posted it on facebook. *


*non sensical onpurpose,

what Chief, he of unmatched wisdom is asking, is what social norms exist in everyday life, lets call that real life, these norms disappear when one interacts with a monitor and the pc, even when we still have to put our names and our names (us), we are responsible for it.

Chief, he of unmatched wisdom asks about the disconnect. Is this a modern internet thing, availing this disconnect to be enabled, or is this dissociation latent?

p'raps Chief, he of unmatched wisdom, the "norms" are entirely superficial and a pretense, and the internet and a computer monitor may allow us to dispense of this veil to show the true self. Then you can ask what way misogyny is a social construction itself with paternal culture, or if it has some servant to power relations. guru may answer GuruJane

#Chief, he of unmatched wisdom

evo can answer the gender studies 101 and C-Ford.

But which is the more useful? Useful to whom?

How is calling Ford a **** or threatening rape or death of anyone any sort of valuable contribution? It's just a demand to shut up. Is it fear of a view that you can see but want to deny?

 

[Chief]

Though a drastic course of action, a sacking sends a strong message to keyboard warriors. Rule of thumb, you shouldn't post stuff that you wouldn't want your mother to see. As unpleasant as some feminists are*, malicious threats like rape and murder are unacceptable. BORK said it best:



* Speaking of which, C. Ford seems to have gotten away with similar transgressions

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...mments/so_now_banks_are_censoring_columnists/

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...h/comments/the_many_moods_of_clementine_ford/

But TBH, Miranda Devine is actually a ****ing campaigner. The truth can be a defence.

 

[CbayT]

Though a drastic course of action, a sacking sends a strong message to keyboard warriors. Rule of thumb, you shouldn't post stuff that you wouldn't want your mother to see. As unpleasant as some feminists are*, malicious threats like rape and murder are unacceptable. BORK said it best:



* Speaking of which, C. Ford seems to have gotten away with similar transgressions

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...mments/so_now_banks_are_censoring_columnists/

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...h/comments/the_many_moods_of_clementine_ford/

The police probably would have prosecuted.

Why not kill his dog that would of sent a strong message too. Even knee capping him probably going a bit far but why not?