Society/Culture Feminism part 1 - continued in part 2

[CbayT]

Vigilante? Tell us what you mean by that.

Really ???

 

[Chief]

Really ???

Vigilante action is defined as violent, summary action without recourse to legal procedures.

This is dobbing, at the most.

 

[blackcat]

But which is the more useful? Useful to whom?

How is calling Ford a **** or threatening rape or death of anyone any sort of valuable contribution? It's just a demand to shut up. Is it fear of a view that you can see but want to deny?

mebbe it is ineffable. they cannot eloquently elucidate their motive. P'raps the motive is determined, a culture gestalt that sees C-Ford as the enemy to men. Much like Canberra and Abbott and Bolt sought to otherise asylum seekers and refugees. A fictional enemy, a creation of an enemy. I think this is primal. Without being versed in some interdiscipline psycho-sociology. It is a primal threat.

Is C-Ford a threat? ofcourse not. But I am speaking of these actors as cyphers. What is C-Ford's motive, what is her motive. I think she prolly sees her role as a martyr/victim and warrior for the tribe. who is the tribe, prolly fellow travellers who see their lot as under the yoke of the CFMU wolf-whistling brigade even tho they have the phds and higher salaries and more super then the CFMU salaried workers

 

[romeohwho]

mebbe it is ineffable. they cannot eloquently elucidate their motive. P'raps the motive is determined, a culture gestalt that sees C-Ford as the enemy to men. Much like Canberra and Abbott and Bolt sought to otherise asylum seekers and refugees. A fictional enemy, a creation of an enemy. I think this is primal. Without being versed in some interdiscipline psycho-sociology. It is a primal threat.

Is C-Ford a threat? ofcourse not. But I am speaking of these actors as cyphers. What is C-Ford's motive, what is her motive. I think she prolly sees her role as a martyr/victim and warrior for the tribe. who is the tribe, prolly fellow travellers who see their lot as under the yoke of the CFMU wolf-whistling brigade even tho they have the phds and higher salaries and more super then the CFMU sallaried workers

Haha -this is great. Good work blackcat.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

But which is the more useful? Useful to whom?

How is calling Ford a **** or threatening rape or death of anyone any sort of valuable contribution? It's just a demand to shut up. Is it fear of a view that you can see but want to deny?

But TBH, Miranda Devine is actually a ******* campaigner. The truth can be a defence.

Maybe Ford is actually a ****.....

 

[Docker Alyssa]

Vigilante action is defined as violent, summary action without recourse to legal procedures.

This is dobbing, at the most.

That's cute. And feminism as defined by Webster is:

: the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities
: organized activity in support of women's rights and interests​

And yet you have wanton propagandists and professional victims using their gender and feminist pulpit as a power branch for bullying, censorship and social "justice". (i.e getting someone fired using social justice means instead of taking the person to account via reporting to FB, and to the police if they deem it so egregious as to warrant investigation.)

Just one example, among hundreds, of modern feminists being rendered in reality as nothing closely approaching the definition. Almost no visible, public feminists act in accordance with the dictionary definitions of the word. Therefore it's entirely appropriate to call Ford's action one of "vigilante action" in the context of the methods a feminist wields their power, despite a semantic argument over definitions being trotted out.

This weak argument he could do this "without impunity" is silly. He could get banned on FB, and investigated by police. Significant enough for the comments made if FB and/or police decided it was indeed punishable.

I'm sure someone is going to say NAFALT. But show me a powerful one that is representative of logical egalitarian mindsets the definition tries to preach and you'll have pleasantly surprised me.

 

[medusala]

and you guys keep going back to read it. hmm.

Had no idea who the talentless hack was before this thread. Don't read her, don't read Bolt.

Leave faux outrage to the bien pensants. Too busy changing money at the temple.

Then you can ask what way misogyny is a social construction itself with paternal culture, or if it has some servant to power relations.

The alleged **** is petrol to the misogyny fire.

 

[medusala]

But TBH, Miranda Devine is actually a ******* campaigner. The truth can be a defence.

Guardianistas always cut up rough when their hypocrisy is pointed out. She isn't bad for a pigeon flyer (has a maths degree so tipping far more intelligent than the usual talking heads on the ABC with their shitty Arts degrees)

"But Fairfax columnist Clementine Ford has called me a “f**ing c**t” on twitter and she still has a job.

Convicted criminal and terrorist sympathiser Zaky Mallah can incite gang rape and threaten the safety of female journalists and he is feted by the ABC and SBS."

 

[blackcat]

The alleged **** is petrol to the misogyny fire.

up there with your best torched like dresden work.

i need to take a page out of meds' book like hemingway would say and less is more.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/09/14/omission

medusala

 

[blackcat]

"But Fairfax columnist Clementine Ford has called me a “f**ing campaigner” on twitter and she still has a job."

I always liked skilts response to this, if someone alleges you are a fukcing cam pain 'a, you ask them, ok genius, you tell me the maslow's hammer and just what i should do with my tool then? have pudendum, have maslow, cunnilingus is for pussies. [sic]

skilts

 

[medusala]

i need to take a page out of meds' book like hemingway would say and less is more.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/09/14/omission

Unless you possess Boris like genius, he is on the money (Orwell too). AA Gill can manage it too.

Exhibit A, the dross of a useless campaigner - Ruddspeak (language, not embarrassing reference to the Jew hating meme)

There has to be a greater synergy between, let’s call it our policy leadership in this, which has been focused so much, legitimately, on targets and global architecture, almost reverse-engineered back to the means by which you can quickly deliver outcomes, and on the demand side in our economy we’re looking at potential advances in terms of 20 to 25% range if you do this across the board. It all takes cost, but let me tell you it’s probably the quickest lever you can pull given the challenges we face.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

The point i've been dancing around lately is that 'ism'ism is inherently bad.

When it all boils down everything can be measured against a few universal markers - such as reason and logic. (I would include morality and justice but it is my opinion that they are personal and therefore can't be used as a universal marker)

The act of 'ism'isming everything places a veil between the universal marker and a persons opinion. Instead of determing whether something is logical or reasonable individuals determine whether something is feminist, or islamist or liberalist etc etc.

'Ism'ism is inherently bad because whilst particular points within each ism may be reasonable or logical they aren't all. By looking at each situation or circumstance against universal markers an individual can determine acurately whether something is truly reasonable or logical, looking at a situation and saying does that comply with feminism or liberalism or conservatism leaves it open to falsely justifying your view.

The 'ism'ism negatives are two fold. Firstly if you are putting forth a certain point of view under the moniker of it being a certain ism-compliant thought, your opinion is more readily and widely accepted by other subscribers to that ism without critical analysis. (A key example here is gender pay gap, i say a thing exists and that its a concern for feminism, individuals who believe themselves to be feminists accept it as an undeniable truth, it's religious, it's without thought). Secondly it acts as a shield, individuals can defend propositions not by logic or reason but by simply saying that doesnt comply with the ism ideology. (A key example of this is religous homophobia etc etc).

By putting all these labels on things it just confuses and hides the issue. It creates a breeding ground where idiots without the intelligence to construct opinions or to defend them can spread un-truths by subscribing to an ism.

This is a major problem with feminism. Undoubtedly some things in this world are horrible and there are significant gender imbalances. But the majority of the typical westernised, social media, social justice warrior everyday feminism is just baseless.

I look at each situation and examine it in isolation. Hiding behind a mandate or ideology is weak minded herd mentality.

 

[blackcat]

The point i've been dancing around lately is that 'ism'ism is inherently bad.

When it all boils down everything can be measured against a few universal markers - such as reason and logic. (I would include morality and justice but it is my opinion that they are personal and therefore can't be used as a universal marker)

The act of 'ism'isming everything places a veil between the universal marker and a persons opinion. Instead of determing whether something is logical or reasonable individuals determine whether something is feminist, or islamist or liberalist etc etc.

'Ism'ism is inherently bad because whilst particular points within each ism may be reasonable or logical they aren't all. By looking at each situation or circumstance against universal markers an individual can determine acurately whether something is truly reasonable or logical, looking at a situation and saying does that comply with feminism or liberalism or conservatism leaves it open to falsely justifying your view.

The 'ism'ism negatives are two fold. Firstly if you are putting forth a certain point of view under the moniker of it being a certain ism-compliant thought, your opinion is more readily and widely accepted by other subscribers to that ism without critical analysis. (A key example here is gender pay gap, i say a thing exists and that its a concern for feminism, individuals who believe themselves to be feminists accept it as an undeniable truth, it's religious, it's without thought). Secondly it acts as a shield, individuals can defend propositions not by logic or reason but by simply saying that doesnt comply with the ism ideology. (A key example of this is religous homophobia etc etc).

By putting all these labels on things it just confuses and hides the issue. It creates a breeding ground where idiots without the intelligence to construct opinions or to defend them can spread un-truths by subscribing to an ism.

This is a major problem with feminism. Undoubtedly some things in this world are horrible and there are significant gender imbalances. But the majority of the typical westernised, social media, social justice warrior everyday feminism is just baseless.

I look at each situation and examine it in isolation. Hiding behind a mandate or ideology is weak minded herd mentality.

arent u conlfating two things, the meta(naming, defining), versus the individual discreet actions and behaviour.

the herd mentality is not because it is titled as such, or comes under some banner or name. a tribe will learn from their fellow traveller behaviour, not because of the club name. if all your team are bogans, you are more likely to adopt such bogan characteristics, it does not matter what we name them.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

arent u conlfating two things, the meta(naming, defining), versus the individual discreet actions and behaviour.

the herd mentality is not because it is titled as such, or comes under some banner or name. a tribe will learn from their fellow traveller behaviour, not because of the club name. if all your team are bogans, you are more likely to adopt such bogan characteristics, it does not matter what we name them.

It's the same thing isn't it? Can you sepparate the two?

Subscribing to an ism is subscribing to a tribe. If you didn't want to be considered amonst other feminists you wouldnt simplify yourself down to identify as such, because life isnt simple, you'd look at each situation as a reasonable and logical person.

That's why I have always stated you can judge a group by its worst examples because you choose to clasify yourself that way and join that tribe.

 

[medusala]

Tyson fury kicking some goals after winning boxing title. Police now investigating him over a "hate" crime.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...spoty-petition-you-are-50000-ws-34266260.html

The 27-year-old also reiterated his views on women after earlier saying that Olympic champion Jessica Ennis-Hill "slaps up good" and "looks good in a dress", adding that "a woman's best place is in the kitchen and on her back".

if all your team are bogans, you are more likely to adopt such bogan characteristics, it does not matter what we name them.

Bollinghood doesn't have the same ring about it though does it?

 

[romeohwho]

Are C-Ford and Sarah Hanson-Young in any way related? They come across as the same person.

How exactly do they 'come across as the same person'?

 

[HollyZholm]

How exactly do they 'come across as the same person'?

Entitlement, lack of self-awareness, emotionally unstable, neither appear to think before they speak. I wonder if they are related? Do you know if they are related to each other at all? The similarities are uncanny. Hanson-Young could be C-Ford's long lost sister.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Maybe Ford is actually a ****.....

There's ample evidence Devine is a campaigner. Do you have any at all to back up this claim?

 

[HollyZholm]

Tyson fury kicking some goals after winning boxing title. Police now investigating him over a "hate" crime.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...spoty-petition-you-are-50000-ws-34266260.html

The 27-year-old also reiterated his views on women after earlier saying that Olympic champion Jessica Ennis-Hill "slaps up good" and "looks good in a dress", adding that "a woman's best place is in the kitchen and on her back".



Bollinghood doesn't have the same ring about it though does it?

He does come from a long line of travelers and bare knuckle boxers. I couldn't imagine Fury caring too much what the media think of him, they've spent the last 6 months laughing at his chances of beating Klitschko. Fury's old man only recently got out of the clink for goughing another man's eye out. I don't think these are the type of people who care too much about BBC personality competitions. Nevertheless, I think he was on point with Jessica Ennis-Hill, she does slap up pretty good in a dress.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Entitlement, lack of self-awareness, emotionally unstable, neither appear to think before they speak. I wonder if they are related? Do you know if they are related to each other at all? The similarities are uncanny. Hanson-Young could be C-Ford's long lost sister.

Images making an alias account to spout rubbish like this on the Internet. Wowee. The effort required to make an alias. When one could do so many more productive things with one's time.

 

[DemonTim]

There's ample evidence Devine is a campaigner. Do you have any at all to back up this claim?

Calling someone a campaigner is an opinion. You can have personal justification for it, that's it. The same with calling someone a ****.

 

[HollyZholm]

Images making an alias account to spout rubbish like this on the Internet. Wowee. The effort required to make an alias. When one could do so many more productive things with one's time.

Coming from the bloke with over 50,000 posts on big footy and goes by the title ManWithNoName. Good one!

 

[Chief]

Maybe Ford is actually a ****.....

Is there any evidence for this? In the case of Devine, we have her long history of horrible commentary.

What is a **** these days anyway? Still a word used to shame women over the type of sexual activity that men are praised for?

 

[ManWithNoName]

Coming from the bloke with over 50,000 posts on big footy and goes by the title ManWithNoName. Good one!

You don't quite understand the term "alias account", do you?

 

[ManWithNoName]

Calling someone a campaigner is an opinion. You can have personal justification for it, that's it. The same with calling someone a ****.

My opinion is based on her insane, racist, xenophobic, hate filled rantings.

What's your opinion based off?