Society/Culture Feminism part 1 - continued in part 2

[Barry_Badrinath]

So... now that you know you got it pretty much wrong and fell for a NY Post (think Herald-Sun without the class) outrage headline without even reading the article, do you have any comment?

No?

Not surprised.

You could start by giving us more than 20 minutes to respond before you start attacking us.

I take back my comment

 

[Chief]

You could start by giving us more than 20 minutes to respond before you start attacking us.

I take back my comment

You had 12 HOURS! Not good enough, even if it is Christmas! You either commit to being on the SRP 24/7 in order to respond or you will be accused of running away from the argument!

 

[scon]

THAT SAME ******* ARTICLE!

Sorry - just wish people would read these things and summarise them accurately.

I had assumed they weren't stupid enough to post something they hadn't read,but they were stupid enough not to understand what they read?
Stupid of me really!

 

[Raz0r6ack]

It's good they're posting tabloid rubbish, and not rape fantasies.

It's interesting how you continually take the moral high ground on women-related issues against others who dare to have an opinion.. but yet you're the only one in the thread with an avatar (and username), dedicated to supporting a bloke who has been convicted of hitting his wife.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kidd-faces-assault-charge/

http://articles.philly.com/2001-01-...umana-kidd-domestic-violence-maximum-sentence

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

It's interesting how you continually take the moral high ground on women-related issues against others who dare to have an opinion.. but yet you're the only one in the thread with an avatar (and username), dedicated to supporting a bloke who has been convicted of hitting his wife.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kidd-faces-assault-charge/

http://articles.philly.com/2001-01-...umana-kidd-domestic-violence-maximum-sentence

Do you think objecting to rape fantasies is 'taking the moral highground'?

 

[BORK]

Do you think objecting to rape fantasies is 'taking the moral highground'?

Pretty big deflection from you considering the content of alot of your posts in this thread and board.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Pretty big deflection from you considering the content of alot of your posts in the thread and board.

Why do you think my user name is what it is? Why do you think that particular picture has been chosen?

Objecting to rape fantasies from men is not the moral highground.

Once again, that poster is using the site as a dumping ground of links that appeal to other knuckle draggers. The poster posts links from people who have very dangerous views on rape.

 

[BORK]

Why do you think my user name is what it is? Why do you think that particular picture has been chosen?

Objecting to rape fantasies from men is not the moral highground.

Once again, that poster is using the site as a dumping ground of links that appeal to other knuckle draggers. The poster posts links from people who have very dangerous views on rape.

Enlighten everyone here then.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Enlighten everyone here then.

It's stating a player from my team (names Kidd funnily enough) of being vicious. The picture illustrates the simple creature he is. It's a carryover from a different basketball site.

Do you think objecting to men posting violent rape fantasies is taking the moral highground?

 

[Lester Burnham]

New York Post ... Good God.

Here's the actual situation:

allows probies to fail components of the Functional Skills Training test but still graduate from the Fire Academy,

After the hearing, Nigro said passing the skills tests had only been required of the two most recent classes — and not for any of the 15 years before.

“We still grade the people. You can still fail it if you go beyond the time, but you’re not automatically failed from the program,” he said.

So this test is comparatively new. Also nobody has said they'll be putting grossly unfit people on the front line.

There is no indication they won't help train the people up so they can pass, or use them elsewhere.

The FDNY does other things, too: school visits, training, paramedic services, all sorts of things that don't require the ability to move a tire.

Try again, kids, this one has no legs.

Lowering of physical standards is opposed by many New York firefighters including females.

But Ms. Johnston, who has taught at the Academy for 16 months, firmly defended the FST. In the last class, the average grade on it was 97 percent, she noted. Women as well as men passed easily.

“They’re fighting to lower the standards,” she said of the UWF, arguing that they don’t represent the views of most women in the department.

She noted that probies are allowed as many times as they need to pass the test, one which tends to be conquered with repetition, as candidates develop the correct muscle memory. (UWF members believe it now siphons too much time from other firefighting courses.)

“It’s not in any way used as a weeding tool,” Ms. Johnston said, adding, “I’ve seen firefighters of all shapes and sizes succeed.”

She was joined by Joanne Jahlring, another veteran female firefighter who echoed her views, and said that they and 10 other women approached Ms. Crowley before the hearing to defend the current physical standards.

Like the two fire unions, whose members also testified, she favors better recruitment and retention efforts to attract more-qualified female candidates.

Uniformed Firefighters Association Vice President James Slevin said that even if the FST is harder than the tests in other cities, New York needs it.

“We should have better standards than any other city,” he said, noting that the buildings here are higher than in the rest of the country, and many have antiquated fire-protection systems. As a result, firefighters must run higher and longer, and take a particularly aggressive approach, going “above the fire” and tackling more blazes from inside the building. It’s especially dangerous.​

http://fdny.net/2014/12/16/fdny-physical-course-key-marker-or-unreasonable-obstacle-for-women/

Your point that "The FDNY does other things, too: school visits, training, paramedic services, all sorts of things that don't require the ability to move a tire" is irrelevant. Those jobs do not require the physical tests under discussion and there is absolutely no barrier to women entering them.

 

[Chief]

Lowering of physical standards is opposed by many New York firefighters including females.

But Ms. Johnston, who has taught at the Academy for 16 months, firmly defended the FST. In the last class, the average grade on it was 97 percent, she noted. Women as well as men passed easily.

“They’re fighting to lower the standards,” she said of the UWF, arguing that they don’t represent the views of most women in the department.

She noted that probies are allowed as many times as they need to pass the test, one which tends to be conquered with repetition, as candidates develop the correct muscle memory. (UWF members believe it now siphons too much time from other firefighting courses.)

“It’s not in any way used as a weeding tool,” Ms. Johnston said, adding, “I’ve seen firefighters of all shapes and sizes succeed.”

She was joined by Joanne Jahlring, another veteran female firefighter who echoed her views, and said that they and 10 other women approached Ms. Crowley before the hearing to defend the current physical standards.

Like the two fire unions, whose members also testified, she favors better recruitment and retention efforts to attract more-qualified female candidates.

Uniformed Firefighters Association Vice President James Slevin said that even if the FST is harder than the tests in other cities, New York needs it.

“We should have better standards than any other city,” he said, noting that the buildings here are higher than in the rest of the country, and many have antiquated fire-protection systems. As a result, firefighters must run higher and longer, and take a particularly aggressive approach, going “above the fire” and tackling more blazes from inside the building. It’s especially dangerous.​

http://fdny.net/2014/12/16/fdny-physical-course-key-marker-or-unreasonable-obstacle-for-women/

Your point that "The FDNY does other things, too: school visits, training, paramedic services, all sorts of things that don't require the ability to move a tire" is irrelevant. Those jobs do not require the physical tests under discussion and there is absolutely no barrier to women entering them.

They are all done by firefighters.

The test is relatively new anyway. No evidence it will result in problems. Yada yada yada.

Pointless for me to list the facts when there are opinions to fuel your outrage.

 

[Lester Burnham]

They are all done by firefighters.

The test is relatively new anyway. No evidence it will result in problems. Yada yada yada.

Pointless for me to list the facts when there are opinions to fuel your outrage.

Same article suggests passing the test has been mandatory since 2008.

The organization doesn’t dispute that stretching hoselines and breaching ceilings are tasks firefighters regularly tackle. But it says that before 2008, it was never timed and graded as a tool to weed out candidates—it was used to condition probies physically and to teach them how to manage their air supply under the stress of a fire.
​

The opinions I quoted were from experienced NY firefighters.

I'm not outraged. What will happen is that both men and women who are not physically up to the job of lugging around heavy equipment, climbing ladders and rescuing people will be accepted as "firefighters" then given non firefighting jobs. It's bullshit but the ****wits will be able to claim they have achieved their gender diversity target.

 

[Chief]

Same article suggests passing the test has been mandatory since 2008.

The organization doesn’t dispute that stretching hoselines and breaching ceilings are tasks firefighters regularly tackle. But it says that before 2008, it was never timed and graded as a tool to weed out candidates—it was used to condition probies physically and to teach them how to manage their air supply under the stress of a fire.
​

The opinions I quoted were from experienced NY firefighters.

I'm not outraged. What will happen is that both men and women who are not physically up to the job of lugging around heavy equipment, climbing ladders and rescuing people will be accepted as "firefighters" then given non firefighting jobs. It's bullshit but the *******s will be able to claim they have achieved their gender diversity target.

Who said this?

I just thought it might be a possibility.

I'm waiting for some proof they'll have obese people becoming firefighters.

I am guessing NY will be able to survive the horror of firefighters of the same calibre they were at two years ago.

 

[cartwright]

This belittling and condescension is a a form of white-knighting. It stems from a predominantly gynocentric attitude to gender issues. Those with such an attitude are unable to take a stand, in deed, for equality - as much as they might believe in it as an ideal - because they make paramount the protecting of the honor of women. What happens to be right or wrong is a trivial matter compared with defending the honor of women.

Lol
Did you rip that off some website too?!

 

[Tas]

I guess this is another feminism myth...

MADONNA has taken to social media to post an angry tirade against “a world that discriminates against women” after tracks from her forthcoming album nosedived in sales on iTunes.

Source: http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...gs-leaked-online/story-e6frfn09-1227168875489

Taylor Swift, who is a vocal feminist, sits at #1 for music sales. So, is the music world discriminating against women? I don't think so, Pink and Beyonce were also top 10 in sales last year, 3 of the 7 solo artists in the top 10 of last year were women. I don't see the 2014 figures online anywhere, but don't think it will change radically.

I think this has become a problem, women are more likely to blame the 'patriarchy' when they do not get the success they believe they should have, much like a lot of men blame 'feminism' for what is wrong with women. There is no patriarchy in the west, and feminism isn't what is wrong with the world. All feminism means is wanting equality, there is nothing wrong with equality. There are some women who have a distorted view of reality when it comes to what equality means and some women who proclaim to be feminists spread a toxic view of equality, but that shouldn't stop people believing in equality.

Madonna's new album has tanked, is it because of discrimination or because she is just old and her music that once reached to the young audience no longer does and young people think old people are gross, with her pushing the sex angle, what once was confronting and erotic is probably seen as creepy by the younger generation who have become 'Beliebers' and fans of artists like Swift, Pink and Beyonce.

I think music is largely a young persons's game, there are still popular old artists and bands and while i like some new music that comes around I mostly listen to the music record by bands when I was younger and even the new music they produce doesn't conform to the theme and culture of their older music.

One of my favourite bands is New Order (previously Joy Division), I have all their older albums, the last one I have was Republic which was released in 1993, they have 3 since then which I don't have, I have heard some of the tracks and some songs are okay but nothing that would make me want to go out and buy/listen to them with any regularity. Is it discrimination or has the artist changed? Have times changed? I think for most people you live with the music that you grew up with, I don't think adults in general are massive consumers of music.

Women are still popular artists, just ones that appeal to the youth of this generation, not the past. To blame discrimination seems pretty weak to me from someone who I think of as a strong woman, it is disappointing.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Tas I think Madonna is to be disregarded. She speaks for pampered celebrities, not feminism. She equated her album being leaked to rape and terrorism.

 

[Tas]

Tas I think Madonna is to be disregarded. She speaks for pampered celebrities, not feminism. She equated her album being leaked to rape and terrorism.

I honestly think it is time for women to reclaim feminism, there are far too many using it as a tool for other than it was intended, it is sad because I experienced the wonders of the second wave and what it did for women here in Australia. I know what the Patriarch was and how women were repressed. When women casually throw these into their petty privileged lives it makes me angry and I am just a man who believes in equality, how it must feel for women who had to live through that oppression must be rage inducing.

I think it is time to end this self-entitled third wave and begin the fourth-wave, which takes feminism around the globe to where women are being oppressed, we have the political power to put pressure on nations who utilise rape as a tool of war in Africa, to countries where women are treated deplorably. When you have this massive voice and presence and you utilise it to try and boost your flagging album sales or look to gain self promotion or playing the victim card for more attention then people are abusing the cause and the third wave has abused the cause to an extent that the vast majority of women do not identify themselves with feminism, it is 1 in 5 in the USA.

That voice could be used to do the world some good, rather than line some people's pockets.

 

[tesseract]

much like a lot of men blame 'feminism' for what is wrong with women.

Religion, the nuclear family and old-school values, etc applied a social stigma that used to keep both men and women's actions mostly on the straight and narrow. Nowadays, though, through feminism, every inclination of female behaviour has become justified, if not permissible, with a 'you go grrl' attitude; and the social stigma keeping female behavior in check is no longer there as it once was. Men, on the other hand, have adjusted to the new norm by molding their behaviour to what women have been doing, ie sleeping around and not settling down as soon or as often due to the sexual liberation of women, for but one example.

While I discuss feminism on here, I'm aware that feminism is but a symptom of a greater problem: gynocentrism and female nature.

Feminism is destructive, evil and anti-male, but men mustn't lose sight of the two bigger issues from which feminism stems. Feminism will die either a slow and natural death, or it can be hastened by a revolt against its open warfare against men. Gynocentric attitudes, and female nature which will take advantage of this, will still remain after feminism is long gone. So while feminism is a big problem at present, it's only a symptom of a greater underlying problem.

So, men, yes, discuss the ills of feminism, but don't delude yourself into thinking that the ridding of feminism is going to re-instill some sanity into the world. When feminism is gone, the pervasive gynocentric attitudes that manifests itself in most men and women will reinvent itself in a form of traditionalism - with all of the gynocentric attitudes being concealed just beneath the surface, soon to bubble forth once again in one form or another. The re-branding will attempt to get men back into their provider, protector, breadwinner, slave/utility role and market itself as something different in order to make men not only compliant, but enjoy their servitude to the feminine imperative. Gullible, prideful, "real man" men will be the first to be ensnared, for the manipulation of men is as easy for women as to stroke his ego.

 

[tesseract]

I honestly think it is time for women to reclaim feminism

Feminism has always been a movement for wealthy white women. This was clearly recognized during the first wave. Elizabeth Gurley Flynn dismissed the suffragists as "rich faddists," Rosa Luxembourg described them as "parasites of parasites," and Mother Jones called them the "wives of plutocrats."

During the second wave, feminism was once again spearheaded by wealthy white women, some of whom even worked for the CIA. The plutocracy funded feminism the same way they funded fascism. Lower class women had little interest in the movement - they were too busy working. Third Wave feminism is the most bourgeois wave of all, openly arguing for "more female CEOs" and attacking working class men for "micro-aggressions."

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Tas I think Madonna is to be disregarded. She speaks for pampered celebrities, not feminism. She equated her album being leaked to rape and terrorism.

Or she's just old and irrelevant. Which is her main issue.


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[Messenger]

Religion, the nuclear family and old-school values, etc applied a social stigma that used to keep both men and women's actions mostly on the straight and narrow.

Oh, stop. You've watched way too much Leave it to Beaver.

Feminism has always been a movement for wealthy white women. This was clearly recognized during the first wave. Elizabeth Gurley Flynn dismissed the suffragists as "rich faddists," Rosa Luxembourg described them as "parasites of parasites," and Mother Jones called them the "wives of plutocrats."

What else did those three women have in common that would have caused them to rail against rich women leaping on a political movement?

 

[clogged]

What's the straight and narrow?

 

[tesseract]

Red Pill Date (the making of a MGTOW)



Steve orders the red pill special and discovers the difference between what a feminist says and what she actually means.

 

[floodbuster]

Red Pill Date (the making of a MGTOW)



Steve orders the red pill special and discovers the difference between what a feminist says and what she actually means.

Hey! That's my ex

 

[clogged]

Red Pill Date (the making of a MGTOW)



Steve orders the red pill special and discovers the difference between what a feminist says and what she actually means.

I got a minute in before the inane childishness of it bored me.

One of the things I love about the "Red Pill" being used as an expression for discovering the truth about male-female relations is that it was originally coined by a person who hated being a man so much, she became a woman: Larry/Lana Wachowski. What a beautiful irony it is for frustrated boys to use it as their calling card.