Society/Culture Feminism part 1 - continued in part 2

[Chief]

What do you think his next post will be about? I'm betting something like how women run the planet and us poor white guys are at the bottom of the food chain.

scon - wow, I was bang on! In spades!

Manginas don't care for men's rights; they're too busy worshiping women and willingly handing over their balls to care about their own rights and that of other men. While they're at it, they have no problem throwing their fellow man under the bus in order to please women and show her his devotion to the sisterhood.

Many a feminist simply hate men. Feminists see rights as a zero-sum game, in that if men seek their rights as men somehow that takes away from women's rights. Seeing rights as zero sum is feminist logic. They don't see that men seeking their rights as men doesn't detract from women's rights.

Then there's the contradiction of feminism: feminists tell men that the MRM is not necessary because feminism encompasses men's rights. Yet, after 50 years of feminism, feminism has down sweet **** all for men's rights. This is why feminism claiming to stand for equality is nothing more than doublespeak.

Where does he have left to go from here? What could he say?

Rape apologist rhetoric? Sexual shaming?

This is exciting.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Who said she was asking for it? False rape accusations is a common talking point in the MRM.

you didn't read the comments

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Folks don't literally asked to be r*ped, but the context of the post seems to be that if you're going to leave yourself at the mercy of people, especially in a place where drinking is involved, your own foolish actions can play a part in what occurs to you. That's the taboo truth that the politically correct never wish to mention.

And there it is, it is the sluts fault for being drunk.

 

[Chief]

Where does he have left to go from here? What could he say?

Rape apologist rhetoric? Sexual shaming?

This is exciting.

Oh my God! I am on fire!

Folks don't literally asked to be r*ped, but the context of the post seems to be that if you're going to leave yourself at the mercy of people, especially in a place where drinking is involved, your own foolish actions can play a part in what occurs to you. That's the taboo truth that the politically correct never wish to mention.

 

[tesseract]

Its simple stuff really-women were historically disadvantaged in a number of areas. So they sought equal treatment and access to these things. That means their special interest has been in advancing women's rights. It doesn't mean they are not interested in men's rights but it means they are focussed on getting women on an equal footing. Its not really their job to lobby for men's equality is it? Did the aids movement lobby for funding for breast cancer? Do the paramedics lobby for more money for GP's? Your obsession with this point strikes me as irrational and its been discussed before so am not wasting more time on these strange ideas of yours. How do you know about the average feminist? How do you know who the radical fems are, although if they are in the professions you list, then one can feel pleased that such capable people are helping out.

You parrot the same old tired myths that have been debunked over and over again. Yawn. I've already answered this on multiple occasions in feminist related threads. Yawn.

Feminists say the the MRM is unnecessary because feminism encompasses men's rights. Therefore, feminism claims to stand for men equally. You admit that feminism doesn't do this, despite their claim. Hence feminism acting as a special interest group for women. That's not the equality they claim. Hence feminism's hypocrisy. It's irrational of you to look the other way when a conflict between what feminism says they do compared to their actions occurs and then play apologist for it.

The average feminist is the average woman who calls herself a feminist. She has no authority, influence or power in order to mold feminism. The radicals are the one's I've previously quoted; they're the movers and shakers of the feminist movement. These radicals just happen to be the ones with title, power, money and contacts to get things done at a political level.

"Helping out"? These radical feminists call for men to be castrated, they call for eugenics to be implemented against men, they call for violence against men, etc. That's not helping men or women. These women are just evil.

 

[tesseract]

Just about all political movements, revolutions have been driven by the educated middle classes. Nothing new there.

Feminism wasn't driven by the middle class, though. I've already established that in this thread.

 

[tesseract]

Do you not realize that rape is against the law?

Do you not realize that you've missed the point and are now using a strawman?

 

[Engimal]

I've already displayed in this thread that such a view as yours is a myth. Feminism would have had to have been a grassroots movement for this to be the case, but it isn't. Feminism had some very powerful and wealthy backers in order to implement social engineering.

Except it's not a myth, you're just a silly, silly person.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Feminism wasn't driven by the middle class, though. I've already established that in this thread.

I like the way that you consider your frothing at the mouth, ranting drivel can 'establish' anything.

 

[tesseract]

Except it's not a myth, you're just a silly, silly person.

You sure showed me with all that evidence you've brought forth.

 

[Engimal]

You sure showed me with all that evidence you've brought forth.

I don't need any. Why is the idea that a largely oppressed gender seeking equal rights so implausible to you?

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

I don't need any. Why is the idea that a largely oppressed gender seeking equal rights so implausible to you?

If you have a spit shield, you may want to engage it now.

 

[tesseract]

I don't need any. Why is the idea that a largely oppressed gender seeking equal rights so implausible to you?

A claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. BUT, I've already shown this view of yours to be mistaken. If you wish to remain gullible and naive and stubbornly hold on to spin as truth, that's your prerogative.

 

[Engimal]

A claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I've already shown this view of yours to be mistaken. If you wish to remain gullible and naive and stubbornly hold on to spin as truth, that's your prerogative.

What do you mean without evidence? Women were oppressed. That's a widely acknowledged fact. If you could direct me towards the posts in this thread where you have proven that feminism isn't about equal rights to men, please direct me to them.

 

[tesseract]

What do you mean without evidence? Women were oppressed. That's a widely acknowledged fact. If you could direct me towards the posts in this thread where you have proven that feminism isn't about equal rights to men, please direct me to them.

What I mean by "without evidence" is that you admittedly haven't provided any evidence so I can dismiss your opinion without providing contrary evidence. "Women were oppressed" is unsupported by you. "A widely acknowledged fact"? Pffft! It's a widely acknowledged view stemming from repeating a lie long enough that it becomes fact in the minds of the ignorant.

Read the thread and get back to me. Also try reading some of the other feminism-related threads. Much has been covered. I'm sure many questions you could pose would be answered already.

 

[scon]

Folks don't literally asked to be r*ped, but the context of the post seems to be that if you're going to leave yourself at the mercy of people, especially in a place where drinking is involved, your own foolish actions can play a part in what occurs to you. That's the taboo truth that the politically correct never wish to mention.

So if a bloke gets dollied up,goes arse over chest and lands dick up in the dunnies............

He shouldn't bleat about it afterward either.

Fuq yeah.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

What do you mean without evidence? Women were oppressed. That's a widely acknowledged fact. If you could direct me towards the posts in this thread where you have proven that feminism isn't about equal rights to men, please direct me to them.

Prepare to spend your time to bang your ahead against a brick wall - your time would be better spent trying to convince Hizb ut Tahrir to run an evening class 'Drawing Mohammed for fun and profit'

 

[romeoh]

Feminism wasn't driven by the middle class, though. I've already established that in this thread.

Nope and as with most of your posts, you are incorrect.
Posting seriously loopy perspectives isn't actually the same thing as 'establishing' something though old fellow.

 

[romeoh]

Do you not realize that you've missed the point and are now using a strawman?

Haha -I've missed the point-coming from someone who thinks if you get drunk, don't be surprised if someone rapes you. Give it a spell.

 

[cartwright]

Haha -I've missed the point-coming from someone who thinks if you get drunk, don't be surprised if someone rapes you. Give it a spell.

Ol' Tessie also thinks that if a woman is cheating, she is "reaping what she sowed" should her partner shoot her.
Awesome huh!

 

[tesseract]

Nope and as with most of your posts, you are incorrect.
Posting seriously loopy perspectives isn't actually the same thing as 'establishing' something though old fellow.

You sure showed me, contradicting me with your unsupported opinion.

 

[tesseract]

Haha -I've missed the point-coming from someone who thinks if you get drunk, don't be surprised if someone rapes you. Give it a spell.

At least you admit that you've missed the point. It's a start; there's hope for you yet.

 

[romeoh]

You sure showed me, contradicting me with your unsupported opinion.

And I won't be bothering because it is so well documented that I wouldn't waste my time-just go and do some pretty basic reading-everywhere you look from Christine di Pizan, to the Pankhursts, to Steinem and Friedan etc.

 

[Engimal]

What I mean by "without evidence" is that you admittedly haven't provided any evidence so I can dismiss your opinion without providing contrary evidence. "Women were oppressed" is unsupported by you. "A widely acknowledged fact"? Pffft! It's a widely acknowledged view stemming from repeating a lie long enough that it becomes fact in the minds of the ignorant.

Read the thread and get back to me. Also try reading some of the other feminism-related threads. Much has been covered. I'm sure many questions you could pose would be answered already.

I'm not about to throw a linkstorm at you, but you can do some reading if you'd like. Look up the wage gap, influential functionalist views on society (Particularly from Murdoch and Parsons who basically claim that women are good for emotional support, looking after the kids and not much else), women not being able to vote, women not being able to own ****ing credit cards, women not being able to box, women not being able to refuse sex from their husband, women not being able to have their own bank account, women having all their earnings and property owned by their husband after marriage, etc.

They're just a few ways women have been oppressed throughout history, from the top of my head. I'm sure you'll find some good reading if you choose to Google these topics. So I'll ask you again to please direct me to the posts in this thread where you have disproved these things.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

More than anyone else on this site, tesseract is the classic example of a disaffected young male who has been radicalised by the internet and hate preachers (eg Paul Elam)