FIFA Vote - final days news

[usalion]

The South american delegates have stated they will support Spain/Portugal for the 2018 bid- no statement issued on 2022. Bad news for England's bid.

Story here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9225637.stm

 

[AJ_2000]

A profile of the 22 voters in the age:

http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-...ll-decide-austs-wc22-fate-20101125-1883m.html

Confirmation of the OFC plans to become the 23rd vote:

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/socc...to-recover-world-cup-vote-20101126-189hq.html

Mentioned in the article is that the CAF is not seeking to replace Adamu.

 

[Michael2010]

The South american delegates have stated they will support Spain/Portugal for the 2018 bid- no statement issued on 2022. Bad news for England's bid.

Story here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9225637.stm

Bin Hammam pretty much admits to the collusion.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/3512/20...ohamed-bin-hammam-backs-spainportugal-bid-for

"Asia supports the Iberian bid," Hammam is quoted as saying by Press Association Sport. "There's an excellent relationship between Asian football and Spanish football, we have done a lot of projects together, but that doesn't mean there has been a pact between us. (KEY NOTE - Spanish/Portuguese football has done nothing in Asia, it's England who have done all the hard work but guess what? They don't accept bribes/have enough votes for collusion so we went with this bs)

"It is something that happens between a lot of bids and it's not at all illegal. Qatar is going to support Spain and Portugal and they will support us, but we're not breaking any rules." (KEY NOTE - Clearly this guy has no idea what the definition of collusion is)


However, the Iberian bid suffered a blow after doubts surfaced about their ability to fund improvements to stadiums in Portugal and Spain. "If building these stadiums means taking on more debt, I fear that they won't happen," Angel Laborda, the chief economist at Spanish savings bank foundation Funcas, told Bloomberg. "The government won't let them."

 

[usalion]

The interesting thing I'm reading is that Oceania are planning on sending a new delegate to vote for them next week, BUT FIFA knows nothing about it. Is the guy going to fly to Zurich and knock on the door and say "I'm here to vote"?

Surely, the association would have talked to FIFA about this type of extra-ordinary action and gotten approval. i know FIFA has said nothing can happen with the original Oceania guy appealing his suspension, but surely the association would have cleared other options with the heads in Zurich.

Seems very odd

 

[stuart27]

There's a difference between support and collusion though. The news that MBH is going to support Iberia isn't that big a deal, and it's not indicative of true collusion (ie. we're going to get all our guys throughout the ExCo to vote for you if you get all your guys throughout the ExCo to vote for us).

MBH may bring one or two Asian votes with him but he doesn't control the whole lot.

This is not to say the Qatar/Iberia relationship isn't shifty, because it is, it's just not the end of the world.

 

[Checker Hughes]

It is shifty,because it brings 3 ExCo into it that have NOTHING to do with Qatar or Spain.If it was just Spain and Qatar fair enough,or even Sth America maybe but not the other 3 who will be voting against their confederations/associations to be in a dodgy pact

 

[Zidane98]

The interesting thing I'm reading is that Oceania are planning on sending a new delegate to vote for them next week, BUT FIFA knows nothing about it. Is the guy going to fly to Zurich and knock on the door and say "I'm here to vote"?

Surely, the association would have talked to FIFA about this type of extra-ordinary action and gotten approval. i know FIFA has said nothing can happen with the original Oceania guy appealing his suspension, but surely the association would have cleared other options with the heads in Zurich.

Seems very odd

I can't delve far enough to find it but I do remember Blatter stating that both confederations were free to replace their members on the condition that the suspended ones didn't appeal. Teymarii it seems will stand down for the good of Oceania and Adamu is flatly refusing to yield. How he can possibly defend himself (asked for money put directly into his bank account) is beyond belief. Temarii didn't ask for any money personally, was cleared of corruption by FIFA but was suspended for misconduct. I am sure that he is very pissed off at the moment and I can only hope that he does the right thing and moves aside. Expect Qatar to secretly offer him a massive bribe to not stand aside, I wouldn't put it past them It hurts Qatar that Adamu hasn't been replaced (he was voting either Qatar or US, which one nobody knows) and a double blow if OFC gets a vote, which will definitely not be for Qatar.

 

[Pessimistic]

"Exco members are old: some won’t be alive in 2022, and may not care much whether the tournament is a roaring success or not, while others may see this as their last chance to extract big favours. Now the world is courting them. From December 3 they will be nonentities. They want something out of this vote. "

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/947b1958-f75f-11df-8b42-00144feab49a.html#axzz16QIADcaW

 

[Watergate]

Even the News Ltd press is posting positive stories

And, the South Koreans ... well, like the Black Knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail, the South Koreans try to keep positive as their World Cup dreams are collapsing.

 

[Michael2010]

As they say, "it's all happening"

 

[Zidane98]

When do we hear if Chung can replace Temarii for 2018/2022 voting?

 

[usalion]

When do we hear if Chung can replace Temarii for 2018/2022 voting?

Well, you're dealing with FIFA- who knows how they would handle it? I'd think nothing until Monday morning in Zurich, at the earliest. Some sort of statement would have to come out about Oceania's actions- they might want FIFA to announce that for them.

 

[mighty tiges]

When do we hear if Chung can replace Temarii for 2018/2022 voting?

UK Guardian saying it's done

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/nov/28/england-2018-world-cup-fifa

 

[stuart27]

UK Guardian saying it's done

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/nov/28/england-2018-world-cup-fifa

Great news

 

[Michael2010]

There should be an announcement today or tomorrow for the Oceania replacement

 

[pepsi]

If there is a replacement Oceania representative, are they guaranteed to vote for Australia?

 

[Checker Hughes]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/nov/28/england-2018-world-cup-fifa?CMP=twt_gu

The Guardian understands that Oceania has received confirmation from Fifa that Temarii can be replaced in the voting. Fifa has not yet made public its stance but sources indicated today that Chung, 48, had boarded a flight to Zurich.

 

[stuart27]

If there is a replacement Oceania representative, are they guaranteed to vote for Australia?

In a process where nothing is ever guaranteed, this was guaranteed.

 

[mighty tiges]

If there is a replacement Oceania representative, are they guaranteed to vote for Australia?

Yep*



* provided he's not corrupt

 

[Zidane98]

Qatar are dogs, they tried to force Desmond Tutu to back their 2022 bid:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...glands-2018-World-Cup-dream-sheiks-Qatar.html

Al Thawadi gives them a donation and then writes a letter thanking Archbishop Desmond Tutu for backing Qatar 2022!!!

Luckily for us, Archbishop Tutu didn't bow to their pressure and has thrown support behind our bid. Suck on that one Qatar you corrupt bastards!!!

 

[Zidane98]

Yep*



* provided he's not corrupt

There is no amount bribe large enough to compete with the money & investment Australia puts into Oceania football development. Quite simply, if Chung doesn't vote for us, he can kiss goodbye Aussie support in Oceania.

How much is that worth? I don't honestly know, but I would imagine it would run into the tens of millions and not even the Qataris would offer a bribe on that scale to one single delegate.

If bookies released odds on whether Chung backs Australia in 2022 bidding I would put every dollar to my name on it.

 

[mighty tiges]

There is no amount bribe large enough to compete with the money & investment Australia puts into Oceania football development. Quite simply, if Chung doesn't vote for us, he can kiss goodbye Aussie support in Oceania.

How much is that worth? I don't honestly know, but I would imagine it would run into the tens of millions and not even the Qataris would offer a bribe on that scale to one single delegate.

If bookies released odds on whether Chung backs Australia in 2022 bidding I would put every dollar to my name on it.

It won't happen again given Australia is bidding but last minute bribery has worked before on a Oceania delegate who went against his confederation's wishes.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/stories/s149542.htm

 

[Pessimistic]

Interesting.

In another thread I linked to an article quotong soemoen familiar with exco members.

Some of them will be dead when the actual WC comes aroud - they are interested only in what they can gain personally.

For mine, a wink from elle mcpherson will do the trick - appently claudia schiffer did it for germany

 

[Zidane98]

It won't happen again given Australia is bidding but last minute bribery has worked before on a Oceania delegate who went against his confederation's wishes.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/stories/s149542.htm

Yeah, I remember that saga. Dempsey abstained, but interestingly enough, he had abstained in a previous voting round too if I remember.

Nonetheless Australia is bidding this time and I just cannot see Chung voting for anyone but us. It would be like Geoff Thompson voting for Iberia - not going to happen.

 

[Zidane98]

Interesting.

In another thread I linked to an article quotong soemoen familiar with exco members.

Some of them will be dead when the actual WC comes aroud - they are interested only in what they can gain personally.

For mine, a wink from elle mcpherson will do the trick - appently claudia schiffer did it for germany

I like your style Wonder which woman Qatar are going to bring to Zurich

We need Miranda Kerr to be involved in some frantic last minute lobbying for World Cup 2022.......