Fights

[BigBadCam]

haha... don't worry about me BBC, i'm about as sociable as they come - get out and about for beers and generally have a great time... I just don't punch on and I don't want others to punch on either if it can be helped. Not that I expect you to get it, but the reason I don't like to fight is because I got knocked out cold by an Aboriginal bloke in Adelaide when i was 21. As a result I woke up in an ambulance with a broken nose and had to get about 4 thousand dollars worth of dental done in the following month. That was 10 years ago. My only crime was i did not have a cigarette for him.

Yet, i still think i was lucky in a way because others who get hit like that don't wake up at all and their family never recover from it. Do you seriously want to hit someone (and enjoy it as you say) and then realise later on that he is not going to get up and you might have ended him? Other posters have said they have seen guys get knocked out, bang their heads on the ground and die. What do you actually get out of that, apart from a jail sentence. No one is indestructable and if you punch on with everyone who challenges you then eventually you'll come up against someone who is better than you...or someone that is just plain dirty. On the Gold Coast this year there has been so many glassings it is crazy. Dudes and chicks getting schooners pushed into their faces for minor altercations. One day you might punch on with someone...one on one...fairly, and win your stoush. Then 5 minutes later a dirty mate of your opponent comes in from the side and busts a glass in your face. Sometimes the smarter thing to do is to give the punch on a miss because its not always a stand up one on one fight like you seem to be endorsing.

Sometimes you have to pick your battles, but generally if someone is coming at me, I will defend myself, which I have every right to do. I understand where you're coming from though. Bottling is an increasing problem in all parts of Australia and not everybody fights fair. As I said, I don't start anything and most of the time do my best to avoid altercations, but sometimes you have to stand up for yourself.

Sometimes an altercation is not possible to avoid. I have been bashed by individuals, and I've been bashed by groups of people before at a young age in town, and it only cements in your mind how little respect some of these people have for the life of another. On this occassion with little idea what the nightlife was like, and with little I could do, I tried to get away and requested that they stop... I could have been killed or suffered a severe head injury, and with people in my family who have suffered acquired brain injury it just makes me mad. How dare these w***ers act with such disregard for the health and wellbeing of others, and think that they can get away with it. The cops were usually unwilling to get involved when I requested help, and my experience with them is that they are often scared. Young female cops are about as useful in town on a busy night as **** on a bull.

As I said, I will not hide away from society, but if someone has the nerve to punch me in the head over something trivial, I will try and protect myself. Nobody touches my head like that. I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I have the right to reasonable self defence, as does everybody.

 

[BigBadCam]

Finally! Someone who gets it!

Who doesn't get it? I too display the manners of Damon and apologise to people who I slightly bump into. I open doors for girls and don't kick up a stink when people push in front of me at the bar. All I am saying is that if someone attacks me, I reserve the right to reasonable self defence. I'm a similar size to Damon (maybe not as fat jks ) and I can look after myself so I'm not about to cop a few punches to the head from a shit bloke for something I obviousl didn't deserve and do nothing about it.

 

[weagles_fan]

J-Train you sound like a ***. As if you aren't going to retaliate when somebody hits or pushes you.

 

[Damon_3388]

J-Train you sound like a ***. As if you aren't going to retaliate when somebody hits or pushes you.

I don't think that's really the issue. Obviously if you're getting attacked, you're probably going to have to fight back in some form out of self-preservation. But IMO, you should be doing it only in self-defense, and retaliate with physical force only as a last resort (not just start swinging because someone pushes you or something like that), and (if the situation warrants it) with the intent to subdue the other person rather than injure them.

I don't know how many more nuts there are about the place in Melbourne or Sydney, but I'd say 99 times out of 100 here in Adelaide, in the circles I move in and places I go, people aren't looking for fights and will generally accept that incidental bumps and stuff like that happen and just let it go. And if you're not particularly touchy about getting looked at or bumped, then you should be fine. But then again, I'm not really around the 'sick wog' types or in dodgy dance clubs that much, so it could be different in those types of crowds/venues. I've been going out most weekends here in Adelaide for the past 3-4 years, and I've never been in so much as an argument with a stranger. The only time I've witnessed altercations are when I've been in the street, and that's only been a couple of times, and it was totally uneccesary and avoidable for these incidents to happen. Most of the time here in Adelaide, people seem to be out for a good time. Sure, you have idiots just like everywhere else, but they seem to be in the extreme minority in the places I go. But then again, there were shots fired in Hindley Street just this past weekend, so my theory of Adelaide being fairly safe and cruisey isn't looking too good I guess it just depends where you hang out here in SA.

 

[Flawed Genius]

"I'm not real smart, but I can lift heavy things."

 

[Toshowyouwhy]

My cousin got glassed in the face in Sydney whilst trying to pull a guy off his mate, who was getting the shizen beaten out of him. He, and all his friends, were the nicest bunch of people, yet a bunch of idiots picked out their group and started swinging. He was 4 millimetres from losing all sight in his left eye, not to mention the very real posibility of him hitting his head as he was knocked out.

People looking for fights are the most moronic, stupid and downright dangerous people going around. I dont know if Id throw one in self defence, but i can assure you, it would be a last reort. For too many people it is their only resort.

 

[Coolangatta]

I don't go out to bars and clubs. Only been to a club once. Never again. I have to admit, it'd be nice to be able to head down to a bar, have a few drinks, chat with the people there, then get picked up and taken home by someone sober, but even if I somehow managed to avoid getting badly hurt or killed, there are probably a lot of ****heads that go to bars that would ruin it for me and I want nothing to do with trouble making idiots whatsoever, so basically I'm a bar/club phobic.

I do have ITP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiopathic_thrombocytopenic_purpura though, which means I'd have to be extra careful. Doesn't help one bit.

 

[Flawed Genius]

I have never been in a fight. I weigh about 70 kilos soaking wet and stand somewhere near 6 foot. I'd get the living piss belted out of me in a fight situation, so I don't go looking for them and I do my absolute best to stay out of them.

If you need to and it's a matter of survival, then do what you have to do.

But if it's an avoidable situation, I don't see the need to get into something that has absolutely no upside whatsoever, except boosting your own ego.

 

[Daytripper]

BBC - What the hell are you doing to make so many people want to get in a fight with you ?

I can understand the self defence argument once, even twice.

When it gets to be a dozen times or so though (which is what I'm being led to believe from yor posts) then you need to consider that maybe the problem isn't with the attackers and it may be with you.

 

[BigBadCam]

BBC - What the hell are you doing to make so many people want to get in a fight with you ?

I can understand the self defence argument once, even twice.

When it gets to be a dozen times or so though (which is what I'm being led to believe from yor posts) then you need to consider that maybe the problem isn't with the attackers and it may be with you.

Going out all the time, and being in the wrong places at the wrong times I guess.

 

[magic_johnson!]

Finally! Someone who gets it!

I agree fully. Also doesn't help that i'm built like a twig also

Almost saw a minor one today. We were playing indoor cricket in sport and we had finished early so we were just messing around in the net. the keeper had a peg at the bowler's stumps and accidentally hit the non striker batter. Now, this guy is a bit slow etc and claimed that the keeper threw the ball at him deliberatly. He chucked his bat and stormed over to the keeper. Nothing thrown, but was fairly unnexpected.

 

[lifelike_]

I'd like to hear the proper explanation from such a bloke regarding why he is so angry at life and reacts the way he does. These people need to be understood more, almost as much as they need to be wiped off the planet.

For a lot of them (especially those in year 12), it's probably the last time they'll be on a level playing field with their peers.

One last chance to assert their authority.

I get bumped into all the time (especially if you're in a crowded venue or on a crowded dancefloor), but I don't take offense to it. A lot of the time, I apologise or nod to someone, just to make sure there's no issue, because I see that as a common courtesy. I have no idea why anyone would want to cause fights over minor stuff like getting slightly bumped in a crowd, or someone looking at them, or when there's no real problem at all.

Same here. Normally there's just the mutual 'sorry mate' and that's that. I'll almost always assume it's an accident (especially if I've had a couple), but if I cop a bad look then I'll just ignore it and keep walking.

A lot of them look for retaliation (aka a reason to whack someone) before things get serious.

 

[TheStinger]

Only real fight I was ever involved in was when a high school rivalry kicked off at our local shopping mall at West Lakes. I went to Henley High and for some reason we hated Seaton High with a passion. It was normally small scale stuff but one afternoon after school when our bus had arrived at West Lakes some of their guys who were already there (Seaton being closer) jumped on the bus and attacked some of our mates who were still on the bus.

At one point the back window of the bus (which is an emergency exit and it is designed to do this) got pushed out and smashed on the road. The bus driver somehow got everyone off and it just really kicked off then. There was probably about 40 of us all up and everyone was just finding someone to get.

I was pretty small when I was in high school but I had been doing martial arts for a few years so I knew how to defend myself. I didn't really want to get involved but this kid comes running at me full tilt, screaming at me. Just as he got to me he lowered his head like he was going to crash tackle me. I saw my opportunity and got him in a headlock and used his momentum to take him down in (for all you wrestling fans out there) pretty much a DDT.

It knocked the wind out of me a little bit but he cracked his head hard on the footpath. He was a bit woozy so I saw my chance to get up and scarper. As I got far enough away I looked back to see him sitting on the ground holding his head, probably wondering what happened.

Anyway, thats my story. I try not to get into fights but if someone wants to attack me then I will defend myself.

 

[Team Mo']

pretty much a DDT

DDT is a quality move.

(Fights are bad mmk)

 

[BigBadCam]

DDT is a quality move.

(Fights are bad mmk)

DDTs are pretty easy to pull off on the footy field too.

 

[SirJimi05]

From my experience f-wit bouncers contribute to a lot of fights. How many times do you see these roidfreaks prance around acting tough just because they've got a number on their shirts? Me and a mate walked past The Lounge (Swanston St) one time at roughly 2am to find 3 bouncers kicking the living christ out of a bloke up against a wall. All the while 2 more bouncers were 'on guard' ready to stop anyone who tried to intervene. Me and mate walked up and said something like "c'mon man what the f... do you think you're doing?" Only to be told "if you don't f... off you'll be down there with him." We waited around 'til said roidfreaks stopped to see the most bloodied man I have ever seen. He got up and walked away only to collapse 100m down the street. Of course the bouncers proclaim innocence as they're 'only doing their job'. These oxygen thiefs shit me to absolute tears...

Couldn't agree more. Your story reminds me of something i witnessed just over a year ago around Chapel Street. I actually feel physically ill thinking about it.

It was about 4am on a Sunday morning when me and 3 mates walked up to the entrance of this club. Just as we get to the front door this guy comes rolling down the stairs and ends up spawled out unconcious on the footpath right in front of us. Another dude comes running down the stairs just after him and then 3 massive islander security staff come running out about 3-4 seconds later.

As soon as the security staff are outside two of them start kicking the shot out od the already unconsious guy on the footpath whilst the other one "guards". The other guy, i'm assuming he is a mate of the passed out guy, is sort of hovering about 10m away, half on the footpath half on the road, and is obviously shitting himself. He yells out to the security to leave his mate alone and then the one guarding goes mental and starts chasing this guy accross the road and down the street.

Meanwhile, the other two have finished kicking the shit out of this guy and he is just lying motionless on the footpath with blood everywhere. One bouncer in particular is an absolute mental case and is yelling at the top of his voice at anyone and everyone, especially anyone that enquires about the guys safety. I don't know what this guy was on but he wasn't a sane person.

After about 2 minutes the guy on the ground starts to regain concousness and as this happens the same bouncer goes mental. He picks up one of those metal bars/poles used to hold the ropes and starts pounding this guy with it. He held it at the pole end and used the large round steel base to pound the guy with. All of the blows were to his ribs and body but the sound was sickening. The guy was just laying motionless yet this bounce continued to raise the bar obove his shoulders and continually stike him with all the force he could muster. I reckon he would have done it 15 times.

We thought for sure this guy was dead. Everyone that witness it thought he was dead. The second bouncer i reckjon thought he was dead because he finally told this guy to stop. 30 seconds later some other guy comes out (maybe the owner or manager) and escorts the out of control bouncer up stairs. The whole time the bouncer is yelling out at everyone saying he will ****in kill us all.

Just after this a heap of cops started to rock up.

I didn't hang around but called Prahan police station the next afternoon to enquire if the guy survived or not and also to tell them i will happily give a statment if required.

They had no knowlege of the incident and said it might have been handled by St Kilda police. I gave them my mobile number and asked them to have someone call me so i can give evidence/statment.

Never heard back from anyone.

Melbourne is ****ed these days.

 

[sabre_ac]

Bring on harsher one punch rules I say, if your dumb enough to swing a punch...You deal with the consequences.

I can't stand brawlers, unless your defending yourself or someone else. By defending I mean against a danger unavoidable.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

BBC - What the hell are you doing to make so many people want to get in a fight with you ?

I can understand the self defence argument once, even twice.

My thoughts exactly. Jesus, I've been out on a number of continents over a decade or more, including very dodgy biker bars in the US, to skanger pubs in Dublin and Glasgow and some very interesting hip hop clubs in Paris, let alone every flavour of pub/bar in Melbourne, and yet I've never been in a single fight.

It must just be my witty chat.

 

[r dub 19]

I haven't been involved in a fight when I've been clubbing nor do I want to, the one punch law here in WA scares the hell out of me. I have only been started on once walking down james st an aboriginal bumped into me and said" what c***" I just walked off and ignored the dude.

Bouncers are a whole diff subject, a guy I know went to a club in perth and got caught with drugs and the bouncer confiscated them only to return them later after striking a deal for a few pills for himself.

What are peoples expirence with fights in other countires? Is Australia's clubbing/nightlife scene more prone to this fighting behaviour?

 

[Virgil]

WRT the 'one punch' law, shouldn't that come under manslaughter anyway? My understanding is that manslaughter is accidental homicide, so shouldn't that cover fatalities from a pub brawl?

 

[BigBadCam]

I haven't been involved in a fight when I've been clubbing nor do I want to, the one punch law here in WA scares the hell out of me. I have only been started on once walking down james st an aboriginal bumped into me and said" what c***" I just walked off and ignored the dude.

Bouncers are a whole diff subject, a guy I know went to a club in perth and got caught with drugs and the bouncer confiscated them only to return them later after striking a deal for a few pills for himself.

What are peoples expirence with fights in other countires? Is Australia's clubbing/nightlife scene more prone to this fighting behaviour?

You still have the right to self defence with the one punch law. The one punch law is more aimed at aggressors who would then claim that they didn't intend to kill the bloke they punched as hard as they could in the temple.

 

[bigpapagman]

Get rid of alcohol and Victoria's violence will drop dramatically.

Heck, now we are seeing more bloody bars opening in Melbourne. People can blame an ethnic society all they like but it ain't mean shit when the single most cause of violence is alcohol.

Every violent attack we hear about these days, alcohol is involved in some shape or form.

Unfortunately these days, not enough people understand what drink responsibly means.

GENETALIA-HEAD.


srsly, tho.

 

[X_box_X]

At work last weekend, a couple of guys were walking over to the bar. I saw one of them bend over to pick up $10 from the ground and I thought nothing of it. The next thing I hear is the guy who picked up the $10 say, "look, mate, what are you drinking? It's on me." Once again I didn't think too much of it apart from a nice gesture.

Five minutes later the bloke who shouted the drink was hit from behind by the bloke he bought a drink for. It wasn't so much a king hit, but it was enough to draw blood and for the bouncers to separate the men instantly.

When I had a chance to talk to the guy who was struck in the back of the head, I asked him what it was all about. He replied with something like this: "I dropped $10 on the floor earlier and, as I went to pick it up, the bloke wanted to go halves with me cause he said he spotted the money at the same time as me. He didn't believe it was my money to start with and thought I was being scum. FFS I didn't deserve to be hit like that, I'm not a violent person."

Sure are some less than normal people out there.

 

[Ziebonlahor]

I got king hit a few weeks ago out on the town .. apparently I accidently bumped some guy in line at a bar when we were trying to order drinks so he clocked me.... would hardly call that a fight as I never had a chance.

 

[BigBadCam]

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