Preview First Pick Discussion

[Calcium Man]

dunno mate, call it a wild guess.

we didn't draft tom swift, Richard Hadley, or beau muston either, just seems a bit too risky

We did draft ben griffiths tho.

 

[KingJ]

We did draft ben griffiths tho.

Taking into account the incredible talent he was (Top 5 Ability), little different to Acres as he is a good talent. Not against drafting Acres though.

 

[RichoLedio]

Do we really want to hear the commentators say he's got Acres of space every game though?

 

[Stylo]

Only BT

'Big Boy Blake's got Acres of space!'

The humanity

 

[Calcium Man]

Taking into account the incredible talent he was (Top 5 Ability), little different to Acres as he is a good talent. Not against drafting Acres though.

I agree and disagree. Griff is special because he is 200cm tall and can do just about everything but attack the ball. But i rate Acres a top 6 pick in this draft.

 

[Mogwai]

Only BT

'Big Boy Blake's got Acres of space!'

The humanity

HOWWWWWE DID HE DO THAT

 

[KingJ]

I agree and disagree. Griff is special because he is 200cm tall and can do just about everything but attack the ball. But i rate Acres a top 6 pick in this draft.

I haven't formulated a final opinion on Acres just yet, he is in my top 10 in the draft, what are your thoughts on him, his inside game, shoulders etc? I think he presents a real point of difference to our recent draftees and probably has a higher scope yet is a risk with those dodgy shoulders. That height is great as well, gives him the ability to take an overhead grab which could see him play a wing whilst rotating forward giving the forward line another dimension. (Probably worded it wrong by saying "good talent", just not as good as Griffiths talent wise)

 

[blaisee]

We did draft ben griffiths tho.

and it was clearly an error

 

[Morro]

we are not interested in acres

He is all yours

Do u know why Blaisee?

 

[The Process]

Me, I want Dunstan, Acres, Dumont/Lennon tied.

The club. I'm not sure. The obvious is to say Lennon as he trained with the club and sounds like he impressed.
What would your order of preference be.

If Lennon is available, FJ will not be able call out his name quick enough.

 

[Calcium Man]

If Lennon is available, FJ will not be able call out his name quick enough.

Once again first hand knowledge or educated guess?

 

[Calcium Man]

I haven't formulated a final opinion on Acres just yet, he is in my top 10 in the draft, what are your thoughts on him, his inside game, shoulders etc? I think he presents a real point of difference to our recent draftees and probably has a higher scope yet is a risk with those dodgy shoulders. That height is great as well, gives him the ability to take an overhead grab which could see him play a wing whilst rotating forward giving the forward line another dimension. (Probably worded it wrong by saying "good talent", just not as good as Griffiths talent wise)

Yeah i knew what you meant re Griffiths i was just being annoyingly picky.

I don't think there is anyone in this draft outside of the top few with his upside and his athleticism. I don't think he is actually that different from our last few choices except perhaps he doesn't have the runs on the board. He sounds like a good quality kid with a great kick, strong work ethic and is competitive.

Last year he was very inconsistent but looking at the numbers his last 6 or so games were very strong. This year he started the season really well and continued that till his shoulder. He struggled manfully through champs which suggest he is a pretty tough bugger, and then got the surgery. He averaged 27 disposal a game and 19 of them were kicks. He also averages over 3 tackles a game which is decent and suggest he is happy to get his hands dirty. I have a mate in Perth who saw him play once early this year and told me to look out for him. I've asked him since about his inside game and it sounds like he has one to be built upon, probably a bit like ellis.

His height, overhead marking ability, athleticism just screams Deledio but with agility. The other thing i love is he is far more versatile then everyone bar Scharnberg at our pick IMO, he can sweep across HBF and be a weapon, go through the midfield and would be a difficult HFF match up with his height, speed and marking.

His shoulders are a massive worry and a bit of a lack of exposed form also is a worry but I don't see him as a very big risk because at worse he'll be a very good half back but i see his future more like Ryan Griffen or Travis Boak.

and it was clearly an error

Yes it looks like it but he still has another year and you can't deny the talent just the heart. We also took Cotchin despite a broken leg and achillies problems and Vickery who came off a knee reco. A guy like Helbig never had injury problems but can't seem to get a good run since he got onto our list. And you could go on, Judd -shoulders, Selwood - knee, Barlett - knee reco, Dowler - car accident, Mitch Clark -meiningococcal, Elton - spider bite ect... As long as the doc's give you the okay it's an acceptable risk.

Last year the docs said no to menzel after a 2nd knee reco and the lars surgery and his brother just did his 2nd (or was it 3rd?) knee. You have to back them in in these case's.

 

[blaisee]

Yeah i knew what you meant re Griffiths i was just being annoyingly picky.

I don't think there is anyone in this draft outside of the top few with his upside and his athleticism. I don't think he is actually that different from our last few choices except perhaps he doesn't have the runs on the board. He sounds like a good quality kid with a great kick, strong work ethic and is competitive.

Last year he was very inconsistent but looking at the numbers his last 6 or so games were very strong. This year he started the season really well and continued that till his shoulder. He struggled manfully through champs which suggest he is a pretty tough bugger, and then got the surgery. He averaged 27 disposal a game and 19 of them were kicks. He also averages over 3 tackles a game which is decent and suggest he is happy to get his hands dirty. I have a mate in Perth who saw him play once early this year and told me to look out for him. I've asked him since about his inside game and it sounds like he has one to be built upon, probably a bit like ellis.

His height, overhead marking ability, athleticism just screams Deledio but with agility. His shoulders are a massive worry and a bit of a lack of exposed form also is a worry but I don't see him as a very big risk because at worse he'll be a very good half back but i see his future more like Ryan Griffen or Travis Boak.





Yes it looks like it but he still has another year and you can't deny the talent just the heart. We also took Cotchin despite a broken leg and achillies problems and Vickery who came off a knee reco. A guy like Helbig never had injury problems but can't seem to get a good run since he got onto our list. And you could go on, Judd -shoulders, Selwood - knee, Barlett - knee reco, Dowler - car accident, Mitch Clark -meiningococcal, Elton - spider bite ect... As long as the doc's give you the okay it's an acceptable risk.

Last year the docs said no to menzel after a 2nd knee reco and the lars surgery and his brother just did his 2nd (or was it 3rd?) knee. You have to back them in in these case's.

We could have got fyfe for gods sake

 

[Calcium Man]

We could have got fyfe for gods sake

You spelt Fyfe wrong its spelt Acres

I know but so could have every other team, we could have also got Beams and Hannerbery instead of Post. I've always wondered if anybody knows where FJ rated Fyfe in the 09 draft??

 

[Richo83]

I'm a massive Edwards fan, but his best position is forward with stints in the middle. He gets too lost if he spends too much time in the midfield. We really need him to take over for Kingy as that forward line general.

Good point, I'd like Edwards to play more forward because if Richmond is going to play Maric, Hampson, Riewoldt, Vickery and McBean in the same team rotating, Richmond needs good small attacking players. The problem with Lennon is that he'll never be able to play that high pressure forward, he's too slow and not agile enough.

Acres will start across HBF as a Deledio MKII, great overhead, elite athletic attributes and a beautiful long kick. I think he will evolve into a Ryan Griffen type outside with inside abilities mid.

Nice pick! Acres does have a lot of Griffen type attributes, in fact Griffen and Deledio often played stints in the backline earlier in their days.

Salem we won't get but will be a smaller version of Acres and slightly less athletic but far more physical type player and a left footer to boot.

Salem would be a good defender, if you're looking to make your player well rounded by sticking him in the backline, Salem would be well suited to that. He already has a good tackling game, and attacks the play well. His endurance is actually fairly good too, mid 14s beep test, not that shabby. He's a much better prospect than Lennon IMO, he has tackling, endurance and strength and isn't lacking in athleticism.

Dunstan is just Vlastuin MKII, not quite as good a kick but i think he can improve it to a very good standard with some small adjustments.

If Dunstan was Victorian he'd be a monty for top ten in all these phantom drafts. It's a shame the three amigos from SA get talked down.

I can't understand how Lennon scored so badly on all the athletic tests. He looks quite a good mover when on field. Maybe he wasn't well?

You can hide athletic weaknesses at tac cup level. For starters, a lot of people project what they think a player will be, so they see Lennon's kicking (which is slightly overrated by some) his marking and his stats sheet and think he's a star. There are also a lot of average players at TAC cup level, and when a player is playing in the midfield, sometimes athletic weaknesses are ignored, or not noticed.

 

[Richo83]

dunno mate, call it a wild guess.

we didn't draft tom swift, Richard Hadley, or beau muston either, just seems a bit too risky

Eh, we didn't draft those players because they weren't the best players at our pick, or went before our pick, not because we shy away from injury prone players. You shouldn't claim that we wont draft someone so definitively and make it sound like you're an expert when it is just your own opinion.

 

[_kp_]

I'd be disappointed if we weren't interested in Acres. Could be a genuine star and possibly the best out of this draft if he finds consistency.

He'll be at #6 in my rankings.

 

[Calcium Man]

I'd be disappointed if we weren't interested in Acres. Could be a genuine star and possibly the best out of this draft if he finds consistency.

I normally try not to get too excited about a draftee as i get really disappointed when we don't select him. I got excited about Selwood, Boak, Trengove and Hamish Hartlett in the past. But i don't think i've ever got as excited as i have about any player like Acres. I just hope if we don't pick him he is gone before our selection.

I am curious KP where do you get your draft combine results?? You seem to know how everyone did.

 

[Richo83]

TAC cup was pretty shit as well this year, I have no idea how to compare since I've only been watching it for the past three years or so (and the first year I watched like 3 games or something) so I can't compare. There doesn't seem to be that many athletically gifted Victorians in this draft, so maybe Lennon compared well.

 

[_kp_]

TAC cup was pretty shit as well this year, I have no idea how to compare since I've only been watching it for the past three years or so (and the first year I watched like 3 games or something) so I can't compare. There doesn't seem to be that many athletically gifted Victorians in this draft, so maybe Lennon compared well.

Nah Lennon has tested average for two years now. It's no secret he's no athlete.

 

[_kp_]

I normally try not to get too excited about a draftee as i get really disappointed when we don't select him. I got excited about Selwood, Boak, Trengove and Hamish Hartlett in the past. But i don't think i've ever got as excited as i have about any player like Acres. I just hope if we don't pick him he is gone before our selection.

I am curious KP where do you get your draft combine results?? You seem to know how everyone did.

I probably shouldn't have them, but I do, so I can't say as I want to keep it that way.

 

[Calcium Man]

Nah Lennon has tested average for two years now. It's no secret he's no athlete.

When you say average do you mean middle of the road or??? I read that he bottomed out this year in bottom 5-10% for most things?

I probably shouldn't have them, but I do, so I can't say as I want to keep it that way.

The way i like it

I'm bloody annoyed at you doing 5 picks a day though, its like watching/reading Game of Thrones again always leaving me with a cliff hanger

 

[_kp_]

When you say average do you mean middle of the road or??? I read that he bottomed out this year in bottom 5-10% for most things?

Less than average. Speed he's poor, endurance below average, agility poor, standing vertical poor, running jump below average.

 

[Richo83]

Nah Lennon has tested average for two years now. It's no secret he's no athlete.

Sure, but Stylo asked how Lennon could test that badly given he when he plays, his athleticism doesn't seem to be that bad. Lennon is not an athlete on the field, but even I was surprised with his results, which were terrible. Admittedly, I didn't see his 2012 results, so I came in blind.

When you say average do you mean middle of the road or??? I read that he bottomed out this year in bottom 5-10% for most things?

bottom 10% vertical jump
bottom 50% both running jumps
bottom 20% over the first five meters of the 20m run
bottom 5% agility test (8.95)
13.62 beep test
bottom 25% 3k run
3.18 in the 20m run, which is poor
25.25 repeat sprint which is average

No real stand out attributes. My worry is that given he's an average jumper, his strong marking will vanish once clubs learn to put a taller guy who can jump. There's no point having good hands if you can't reach the ball.

 

[Calcium Man]

Sure, but Stylo asked how Lennon could test that badly given he when he plays, his athleticism doesn't seem to be that bad. Lennon is not an athlete on the field, but even I was surprised with his results, which were terrible. Admittedly, I didn't see his 2012 results, so I came in blind.



bottom 10% vertical jump
bottom 50% both running jumps
bottom 20% over the first five meters of the 20m run
bottom 5% agility test (8.95)
13.62 beep test
bottom 25% 3k run
3.18 in the 20m run, which is poor
25.25 repeat sprint which is average

No real stand out attributes. My worry is that given he's an average jumper, his strong marking will vanish once clubs learn to put a taller guy who can jump. There's no point having good hands if you can't reach the ball.

Where do you people get all these test results.

His sprint time is better then i heard, i was told it was slower then crouch who was 3.25.