Opinion Fitness for 2014

[living_in_syd]

Does anyone worry about this for us in 2014?

It seems every news story seems to talk of all the other clubs doing heat or altitude training. As we have seen last year Carlton (altitude training) and Port (Heat training) ran out games with ease and even proved to be match winning.

Obviously our three games to Carlton come to mind, we basically stopped to a walk last year in all three. I don't recall any games that we actually ran out while in a losing position. It was either we had a fast start and maintained it, or we lost it the first half and never really got back into it.

As we seem to be doing a lot of in house training on our new oval, using whatever training model, I hope we have our fitness area addressed or just even improved... I feel this will be vital in 2014, especially with the increased competition.

Thoughts?

 

[Groupie_]

Imagine if we landed Burgess

 

[Spluff]

We have our own heat training facilities, and we'll no doubt be using them, much like we did last year. I don't think either of these things is a magic pill though, and it'd be silly to judge our training regime on whether or not we do them (for example, there is no evidence suggesting altitude training has lasting benefits).

We definitely do need to step up our fitness base though. Apparently the players weren't trained at 100% last year because the new fitness staff didn't have enough data on each player to assess their capabilities and thus couldn't push them safely. Hopefully we'll see some pretty drastic improvements this year.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Does anyone worry about this for us in 2014?

It seems every news story seems to talk of all the other clubs doing heat or altitude training. As we have seen last year Carlton (altitude training) and Port (Heat training) ran out games with ease and even proved to be match winning.

Obviously our three games to Carlton come to mind, we basically stopped to a walk last year in all three. I don't recall any games that we actually ran out while in a losing position. It was either we had a fast start and maintained it, or we lost it the first half and never really got back into it.

As we seem to be doing a lot of in house training on our new oval, using whatever training model, I hope we have our fitness area addressed or just even improved... I feel this will be vital in 2014, especially with the increased competition.

Thoughts?

Port went over to Dubai to train in the extreme heat. Only problem was that for the time they were over there Adelaide was actually hotter than Dubai was. LOL. Let the other clubs piss money up against the wall doing things that provide ****-all benefit. Altitude training was meant to the big new revolutionary training method when the Pies were on top of the world. Then they get rolled by the Dad's army Cats and it goes out of fashion.

 

[Sloth Lord]

Does anyone worry about this for us in 2014?

It seems every news story seems to talk of all the other clubs doing heat or altitude training. As we have seen last year Carlton (altitude training) and Port (Heat training) ran out games with ease and even proved to be match winning.

Obviously our three games to Carlton come to mind, we basically stopped to a walk last year in all three. I don't recall any games that we actually ran out while in a losing position. It was either we had a fast start and maintained it, or we lost it the first half and never really got back into it.

As we seem to be doing a lot of in house training on our new oval, using whatever training model, I hope we have our fitness area addressed or just even improved... I feel this will be vital in 2014, especially with the increased competition.

Thoughts?

Valid point, but we deserve a bit more credit. We were basically even with the Hawks at half time, and I'm pretty sure that was the case with a few other games, but I do see your point.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Imagine if we landed Burgess

Imagine if we landed the Weapon

 

[_RT_]

I don't recall Hawthorn Fremantle Sydney and Geelong going to high altitude camps or doing heat training and they finished top 4. On the other hand we did heat training last year and finished 7th after finals. As such I'd prefer we stay in Melbourne and work hard on bridging the gap rather than going for gimmicky things that don't really make a difference to a game played in the middle of winter at sea level or slightly above/below.

 

[Calcium Man]

How long has altitude training been around 30+ years?? Yet we still have people arguing over its long term benefits and seems to not a lot of statistical data either way. While there may be small benefits they are not long term and waste a lot of cash for not much return.

Heat training is a bit different again as i think its relatively new, we were one of the first to do it in Australia when we first went to Utah (i think the sports science guy at the University there was a big believer in it) Then Cairns last year but like someone said we have a heat facilities at punt road so why spend a couple hundred grand on taking the squad halfway around the world. Pies are doing the same now they have altitude rooms.

 

[_DBF_]

Imagine if we landed Burgess

I know we'd have to give 220% so we could afford to be doing heat and altitude camps in Arizona and Qatar instead of using our revamped and expensive facilities at PRO.

 

[THE_GUN]

Just make them do 100 laps around punt road and 1000 pushups

Whats all this new crap - I need a smoke

 

[theflea]

While I certainly hope we can be better as any fitness is good, but we did win the second or third most last quarters last year. I think the blues failed in many games for fitness just like other clubs but against us they do have the wood over us so they would believe anyway regardless of how they run out games v us. Remember we too did heat training last year. As too needing it now, the powers that be have stated they only really did a 85% training load and they will load us up to the hilt this year. So I would assess what happens this year and look at it then.

 

[bananatigz]

You look at the top teams, your Sydney's and Hawthorn's, they don't buy into all that, and they go just fine. In fact clubs like Collingwood, who started the trend, are starting to pull out of it as well, correct me if i am wrong but i believe that they haven't gone back to Arizona this year? So I wouldn't be worried by the fact we don't buy into Altitude training, as pointed out we have our own heat facilities. That said I agree that our fitness must continue to improve if we are to take the next step

 

[Tigerbob]

It's all about the training not the location.

Altitude is a joke. Always has been.

Heat is the way to go but that is done anywhere. Next week we have 37, 41, 41, 35 degrees.

I took a close eye on what Burgess did last year for Port and he trained them so hard that some fell. No sports science nurturing crap just hard work at Alberton in the summer heat. They became the fittest side.

Technique and hard work. That's what's needed. Instead of spending $200k on going overseas use that money on intelligence and personnel.

Work them hard and get all our boys fitter.

 

[juss]

Apparantly there are numerous studies that show with altitude training the benefits wear off within a few weeks etc.
Don't see it as a big deal, no issues with the club not doing it.

 

[Hank Heavenly]

nothing has lasting side effects if you dont continue the training, just like roids dont work unless you actually still do the work.

All I can see from any program, the quicker (earlier) it brings blokes to their maximum output the greater chance they are to increase their fitness capacity.

 

[tigs2010]

How long has altitude training been around 30+ years?? Yet we still have people arguing over its long term benefits and seems to not a lot of statistical data either way. While there may be small benefits they are not long term and waste a lot of cash for not much return.

Heat training is a bit different again as i think its relatively new, we were one of the first to do it in Australia when we first went to Utah (i think the sports science guy at the University there was a big believer in it) Then Cairns last year but like someone said we have a heat facilities at punt road so why spend a couple hundred grand on taking the squad halfway around the world. Pies are doing the same now they have altitude rooms.

I think it's ok to do it every couple of years just mentally to get them away from the same routine all the time and also for the bonding side of it. Unnecessary to do it every year though.

 

[RFC_Official]

It seems every news story seems to talk of all the other clubs doing heat or altitude training. As we have seen last year Carlton (altitude training) and Port (Heat training) ran out games with ease and even proved to be match winning.

If the media didnt report on it, would it be an issue?

We have a heat chamber in the gym that the boys use, and this video is an example of what the guys call "Workrate Wednesday" where they up the ante in the gym or on the track http://t.co/YSiVey9qm6

 

[DrMike]

If the media didnt report on it, would it be an issue?

We have a heat chamber in the gym that the boys use, and this video is an example of what the guys call "Workrate Wednesday" where they up the ante in the gym or on the track http://t.co/YSiVey9qm6

I liked that the coaches were in there as well.

 

[Nuffers]

Apparantly there are numerous studies that show with altitude training the benefits wear off within a few weeks etc.
Don't see it as a big deal, no issues with the club not doing it.

The last I read was you needed to live and train in high altitude and compete at low altitude. I can't see the players turning their houses up into hyperbaric chambers.

If that was the case anyway the Denver Broncos would be the fittest team in the NFL....... Although they have traveled okay over the last 3 years, they were pretty ordinary for a few years.

 

[RFC_Official]

I liked that the coaches were in there as well.

#teameffort

Dan Richardson was in there too

 

[DrMike]

I'm going to throw another benefit in here for a bunch of people in regards to completing high performance training at home during pre-season. If you don't care about psychology check out now. People get conditioned to certain environments, behaviours and emotions after extended periods. Bit of a tangent but a lot of OD's happen when people have taken a similar amount of drug in a new location because your body is conditioned to expect the drug it reacts differently, go to a new location and your body hasn't prepared itself for the amount of drugs that are being taken and the OD happens.

Likewise, if you spend the additional time training and conditioning yourself in one location, particularly with the high intensity work that they're doing right now, your body will become accustomed to the increased load and you'll be able to maintain that performance throughout the year. If you go away for that training, your body says hey we can only produce that performance in the external location not in the current location, sorry you can't maintain that.

Note: I don't have citations but can find, also the second part is just my opinion.

 

[theflea]

Apparantly there are numerous studies that show with altitude training the benefits wear off within a few weeks etc.
Don't see it as a big deal, no issues with the club not doing it.

They say within 2 weeks of coming home. The norm for Olympic athletes is 3 months at altitude to really get the benefits of it. But for a 10 day camp, then the flight the benefits are outwayed by the cost.

 

[theflea]

I think it's ok to do it every couple of years just mentally to get them away from the same routine all the time and also for the bonding side of it. Unnecessary to do it every year though.

You could do that at any place in aus and it would cost nothing.

 

[tigs2010]

You could do that at any place in aus and it would cost nothing.

Yeah sorry that's what I meant. As long as they're away for a week every couple of years to break it up.

 

[Deanos]

Just make them do 100 laps around punt road and 1000 pushups

Whats all this new crap - I need a smoke

Might want to extend that to 1 billion for the push up king.