Discussion Fitzroy Lion Logo Discussion

[Roylion]

If you thought the Fitzroy logo looked good, you'll understand why I hate it.

And we (of Brisbane and Fitzroy persuasion) love the current Fitzroy lion logo. And in the end that's all that counts.


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[Silent Alarm]

Who cares if the Fitzroy lion is messy when it's blown up? It rarely ever is. Some very good design can look shithouse at certain angles, in some colours, or in a new context. It looks great on the jumper – and any new version is a bit of a kick in the guts, I reckon.

The Lions wore their current jumper to the incredible feat of three premierships; it is also arguably the last untouched shard of the Fitzroy Football Club identity up there. Even if it was as ugly as the Suns logo – you should do the right thing and continue on with it. People lost a football club and everything special that comes with that. Taking away their lion is another unnecessary dig at those people.

The Paddle Pop was ugly in itself. But more than anything, I and I think plenty of others, hated it because it stood for something else – whitewashing what should be at least one half of the Brisbane Lions... the Lions half.

PS: Probably, I think that Eagles polo is just a mistake. The old SGIO logo would be branding stupidity if it was kept on in 2016.

 

[El_Scorcho]

The Fitzroy lion simply being redrawn to clean it up would keep with the tradition of Fitzroy while also bringing the logo into the modern era.

It's a timeless design, but if Fitzroy still existed in the AFL, they'd have redrawn it to clean it up at the very least.

There is no harm done by redrawing the same design to clean it up.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Also I don't think Fizzler meant "everyone hates the Fitzroy lion"

I think he meant that most would agree that it's in desperate need of a cleanup.

 

[Fizzler]

The Fitzroy lion simply being redrawn to clean it up would keep with the tradition of Fitzroy while also bringing the logo into the modern era.

It's a timeless design, but if Fitzroy still existed in the AFL, they'd have redrawn it to clean it up at the very least.

There is no harm done by redrawing the same design to clean it up.

Also I don't think Fizzler meant "everyone hates the Fitzroy lion"

I think he meant that most would agree that it's in desperate need of a cleanup.

Thank you! What I meant was the edges are curved squares and look horrible. A Detroit Lions-esque remake would be awesome for the Lions.

 

[Dylan8]

Good logos look good at all resolutions. A touched up version would basically be the same as the current one at a low res but would look infinitely better at high resolutions.

Anyway, don't wanna derail the thread.

 

[SwampCreature]

Without wanting to summon RoyLion, part of the merger agreement was the lion was to be used "in perpetuity".

I know they already broke that clause once, but they legally cannot - and morally should not imo - dick around with it (sorry - 'clean it up').

FWIW, there're 10 other clubs on the afl that wish they had a logo as good as the lion.

RB

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

Looks perfect as it is, some things don't need changing (contracts or no contracts)

 

[El_Scorcho]

Without wanting to summon RoyLion, part of the merger agreement was the lion was to be used "in perpetuity".

I know they already broke that clause once, but they legally cannot - and morally should not imo - dick around with it (sorry - 'clean it up').

FWIW, there're 10 other clubs on the afl that wish they had a logo as good as the lion.

RB

It can be redrawn and still be the Fitzroy lion.

The Minnesota Vikings logo was updated recently in the same way the fitzroy lion requires an update without changing the feel of the logo and nobody cried about it.

 

[El_Scorcho]

 

[SwampCreature]

I'm one of the key pillars to this thread.....

Hahahahahaha

"I don't know if you've heard, I'm kind of a big deal"

Hahahahahaha

The Minnesota Vikings logo was updated recently in the same way the fitzroy lion requires an update without changing the feel of the logo and nobody cried about it.

With all due respect (that is to say, not much - it's not like you're one of the key pillars of this thread), who gives a flying f**k what Minnesota did. It's not relevant here. You're missing the point.

I can't believe some of you have such short menories - PP lion was a few years ago and caused a huge stink.

Did that look like a "redrawn" Fitz lion, even when they belatedly tacked the body on the end like some kind of bizarre kids game of "pin the tail on the design?"

Personally I think that jumper looks better with an FFC and better still with nothing at all - just the empty flat yoke.

But the merger agreement - the deal to placate people who lost their goddamn football club - gave Roy supporters (among the very few things they did get) the Lion. Then they messed with it and the fallout was huge. And now you want then to mess with it again?

I truly hope they don't mess wth the lion, although I guess with 'design-over-common-sense' people justifying their jobs it is inevitable we'll see PP II sooner than we'd all like.

 

[aCunningPlan]

Hahahahahaha

"I don't know if you've heard, I'm kind of a big deal"

Hahahahahaha



With all due respect (that is to say, not much - it's not like you're one of the key pillars of this thread), who gives a flying f**k what Minnesota did. It's not relevant here. You're missing the point.

I can't believe some of you have such short menories - PP lion was a few years ago and caused a huge stink.

Did that look like a "redrawn" Fitz lion, even when they belatedly tacked the body on the eve line some kind of bizarre kids game of "pin the tail on the design?"

Personally I think that jumper looks better with an FFC and better still with nothing at all - just the empty flat yoke.

But the merger agreement - the deal to placate people who lost their goddamn football club - gave Roy supporters (among the very few things they did get) the Lion. Then they messed with it and the fallout was huge. And now you want then to mess with it again?

I truly hope they don't mess wth the lion, although I guess with 'design-over-common-sense' people justifying their jobs it is inevitable we'll see PP II sooner than we'd all like.

I think someone has missed the point.

 

[Fizzler]

They messed with it in the wrong way. It was unrecognizable as Fitzroy when they wore the Paddlepop.
If they clean it up, we'll be the only ones that notice as long as they don't make a huge hurrah out of it like Adelaide did with the full hoops.

 

[aCunningPlan]

They messed with it in the wrong way. It was unrecognizable as Fitzroy when they wore the Paddlepop.
If they clean it up, we'll be the only ones that notice as long as they don't make a huge hurrah out of it like Adelaide did with the full hoops.

Exactly, even something like costas Brisbane Lions logo would be acceptable.

 

[SwampCreature]

*throws hands in air*

 

[Andonis1997]

*throws hands in air*

It wasn't the same Lion, and they used it in a non-traditional way. If they put the PP lion just like the current one now, THEN things might be different, but they stretched it out over the full width of the guernsey and it was not great.

And El_Scorcho is one of the forum's most-respected posters so I think giving him at least SOME respect would be ideal.

 

[Gibbsy]

And El_Scorcho is one of the forum's most-respected posters so I think giving him at least SOME respect would be ideal.

lol come on Ando it was a gag re: an earlier post

 

[LeeARM]

But the merger agreement - the deal to placate people who lost their goddamn football club - gave Roy supporters (among the very few things they did get) the Lion. Then they messed with it and the fallout was huge. And now you want then to mess with it again?

This is what it really comes down to. It's too late to do a minor update of the Lion. If they wanted to do it, they should have done it instead of the Paddlepop, doing it now would look like another slap in the face to Fitzroy supporters.

 

[El_Scorcho]

With all due respect (that is to say, not much - it's not like you're one of the key pillars of this thread), who gives a flying f**k what Minnesota did. It's not relevant here. You're missing the point.

I can't believe some of you have such short menories - PP lion was a few years ago and caused a huge stink.

Did that look like a "redrawn" Fitz lion, even when they belatedly tacked the body on the end like some kind of bizarre kids game of "pin the tail on the design?"

Personally I think that jumper looks better with an FFC and better still with nothing at all - just the empty flat yoke.

But the merger agreement - the deal to placate people who lost their goddamn football club - gave Roy supporters (among the very few things they did get) the Lion. Then they messed with it and the fallout was huge. And now you want then to mess with it again?

I truly hope they don't mess wth the lion, although I guess with 'design-over-common-sense' people justifying their jobs it is inevitable we'll see PP II sooner than we'd all like.

I'm not talking about the paddlepop lion though. I'm talking about a cleaned up Fitzroy Lion.

The equivalent of the Vikings change I posted above.

Nobody is talking about a paddlepop lion style change. Fizzler wasn't and i'm not either.

Fitzroy lost their spot in the AFL, they still play football every week during the winter. If Fitzroy was still in the AFL, they'd have cleaned up the lion logo. They might not have changed it as Brisbane did, but they'd have cleaned it up. Cleaning it up isn't a slap in the face to Fitzroy supporters and it's not going to ruin anything.

Again, i'm talking about this sort of change:

No more than that.

This is what it really comes down to. It's too late to do a minor update of the Lion. If they wanted to do it, they should have done it instead of the Paddlepop, doing it now would look like another slap in the face to Fitzroy supporters.

They could do a cleanup of the lion and not tell anybody and it would be fine. It wouldn't be a noticeable difference at the size it's worn on the guernsey.

When the Vikings announced they were updating their logo, people allover the US were absolutely losing their shit because of how iconic the logo is. Then they released the above and everyone was fine with it, and more than fine, they were happy it had been updated.

Everyone will be fine with a cleanup. Fitzroy will stick with the old lion if they choose to do so and that's fine as well, but they play in an amateur competition, not the biggest sporting competition in the country. Common sense says to present yourself professionally as a professional football club. An updated lion will still recognise Fitzroy's contribution to the VFL/AFL.

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

Apart from Costa's which I like, but not over the current has anyone actually come up with a suitable 'update' that very barely changes for the current?

 

[Silent Alarm]

Imagine if your club merged.

Say you support Richmond and you get taken over by the Suns. You have a red jumper with a yellow sash.

Twenty years later you realise it's not really that much of your club, and then they make the yellow sash orange or a yellow so light, it's white.

How insulted would you feel?

It might look better but it's not the one element of the club you loved, still in existence. Even if the Fitzroy Lion was insultingly ugly, it should still be on the Brissy design because it's a legal and cultural bridge to something that is still entitled to be there – and that should, in perpetuity.

Some people on this board reckon they're some kind of god of good design taste when in actuality there's a huge overlooking of what actually makes football important and great – the little connections that are worth a million dollars more than any 'good design' or 'rebranding' ever ****ing could.

 

[Timewaster]

I'd be very happy for them to update the lion just as soon as they put the FFC logo back on the jumper and change the maroon back to red. Until they do that they should leave the lion bloody well alone.

Fine for kids who have no connection to the club to make casual suggestions, but the merger ripped the heart and soul out of a lot of people. A few squiggles and some untidy elements are the least the AFL community can do to respect a foundation club.

 

[HTT]

Imagine if your club merged.

Say you support Richmond and you get taken over by the Suns. You have a red jumper with a yellow sash.

Twenty years later you realise it's not really that much of your club, and then they make the yellow sash orange or a yellow so light, it's white.

How insulted would you feel?

It might look better but it's not the one element of the club you loved, still in existence. Even if the Fitzroy Lion was insultingly ugly, it should still be on the Brissy design because it's a legal and cultural bridge to something that is still entitled to be there – and that should, in perpetuity.

Some people on this board reckon they're some kind of god of good design taste when in actuality there's a huge overlooking of what actually makes football important and great – the little connections that are worth a million dollars more than any 'good design' or 'rebranding' ever ******* could.

We've already got a pretty light yellow...

 

[SwampCreature]

You realise your logic is this, right?

"Sure, these folk were legally promised the use of a certain logo in perpetuity as part of an agreement that saw their club killed off.

But I don't like the logo. It needs to be updated. Cleaned up.

I understand where they are coming from, but these people don't have the elite understanding of design I do. I'm just better at logos than them.

Plus, take this completely unrelated US example, which epitomises my inability to grasp what is going on. It's basically what is happening here but without the merger agreement, the very reason for the resistance to the change I'm arguing for."

"Herp derp."

The funny thing is most of what you are saying is true. Yes, it would probably be barely noticed by the masses, yes it might have been done by now anyway if '96 was a Ross Oakley wet dream and yes, the legality of who and where and what Fitzroy exactly is on 2015 is a bit if a cluster****.

But the point you keep missing is - and I'll say it in the simplest way possible - you keep wanting mess with something you're not supposed to mess with just because don't like it.

Stop that. Stop it.

RB

 

[DiamondGuy]

From a pure design perspective, it could be cleaned up.

From a football history perspective, it can't be touched.

And from a practical perspective, this "they" that keeps being referred to (i.e. the club) has completely insufficient design knowledge, qualifications, connections, critical skills and administrative ability to suggest that touching the logo would result in anything less than an unmitigated disaster of an outcome. EOD

No disrespect to the BBFFC, all AFL clubs are the same in this regard. It ain't the NFL or EPL.