Fourth Test team

[nurries]

agaisnt the west indies and new zealand. voges stats are:
Eng: 5 games, 2 50s, ave 29
SA: 2 games, ave 7.5
SL: 3 games, ave 20
NZ: 5 games, 2 100s 2 50s, ave 99
WI: 5 games, 5 100s, 4 50s, ave 542

Stat padder and list clogger of the most extreme kind. Remove the bunny teams and he averaged 20 from 18 innings. But go on, keep telling us how bad Finch (ave 28 in an unfamiliar position his state doesnt even put him in) or handscomb (ave 39) are. **** mee, even M.Marsh averages more against everyone but voges bunnies, and he is a complete spud.

Do the best batters play against struggling sides also? Or just the top 3 sides?

 

[theyellowsash]

Do the best batters play against struggling sides also? Or just the top 3 sides?

The best batters score slightly below their average against better teams, and slightly above their average against worse teams. That's how averages work.

To have an average against better teams be a 3rd of your overall average proves a flat track bully. There's not even a discussion about it, it's just true.

 

[eddiesmith]

Bowlers bowling trash yet again, yet 95% of people don't even consider changing the bowling lineup

 

[theyellowsash]

Bowlers bowling trash yet again, yet 95% of people don't even consider changing the bowling lineup

Out starc hazelwood
In Pattinson sayers

 

[Cleavy]

Out starc hazelwood
In Pattinson sayers

I’d have Tremain and Jhye Richardson.

 

[King Elvis]

Thank Christ we had Marcus to bowl 4 overs.

 

[King Elvis]

Bowlers bowling trash yet again, yet 95% of people don't even consider changing the bowling lineup

Starc seems like he needs Warney to give him shit every summer, otherwise, he never gets out of first gear.

 

[Kram]

Out starc hazelwood
In Pattinson sayers

No room for Siddle?

 

[Leeda]

No room for Siddle?

no dude.. he is out having a driving lesson...

 

[theyellowsash]

No room for Siddle?

I'm a big fan of siddle but I think he has his papers stamped as a first choice bowler. Will probably be on England as backup though. I'd certainly have him over starc.

 

[Leeda]

I'm a big fan of siddle but I think he has his papers stamped as a first choice bowler. Will probably be on England as backup though. I'd certainly have him over starc.

crying foul at the debutants of Cricket Australia.. he is a sorry dude that can't accept that he isn't quite what the people need...

 

[Consistently Knowing All]

Is Marnus going to bowl more?

Realistically, Marsh was a better choice as he actually bowls a bit. Marnus looked completely out of place. At least Marsh can fake it.

 

[Leeda]

you are a dry version of modern psychology and you have watered my garden... some players just don't need to know they aren't good enough..

but some need to know they aren't worthy...

 

[Consistently Knowing All]

you are a dry version of modern psychology and you have watered my garden... some players just don't need to know they aren't good enough..

but some need to know they aren't worthy...

you sunk my battleship.

 

[Leeda]

and so we gather fairies at the bottom of the garden.. duty calls...

 

[Leeda]

you sunk my battleship.

you sunk my battleship.

twice is nice.. getting to know you is even harder.. gravitation is letting me down...

 

[Scotland]

Why not, outside of partisan nonsense? He has a solid record (BBL titles, ODI titles, Shield finals) and a history of turning around shambolic teams. Yet five games in after taking over a colossal ******* mess and all we get is ‘brown nose gnome’ childishness. The selections were equally inconsistent under Lehman and he didn’t get half the crap after five times the games.

Lehmann only debuted players who had proved themselves and they all performed at test level.

Burns
Doolan
Ferguson
Bailey
Maddinson
M Marsh
Nevill
Agar
Mennie
Holland
Sayers

 

[Consistently Knowing All]

Lehmann only debuted players who had proved themselves and they all performed at test level.

Burns
Doolan
Ferguson
Bailey
Maddinson
M Marsh
Nevill
Agar
Mennie
Holland
Sayers

Langer is an inconsistent moron who is way out of his depth. Like Mitchell Marsh, he is attempting to do his job but does not have it all up top do so.

If Langer is consistent, Wade gets games now. Same with Maxwell. So does Burns and Patterson. Why? they have performed the best out of all remaining. Not Marnus...

 

[Richard Pryor]

Lehmann only debuted players who had proved themselves and they all performed at test level.

Burns
Doolan
Ferguson
Bailey
Maddinson
M Marsh
Nevill
Agar
Mennie
Holland
Sayers

Off the top of my head I think all outside Maddinson (a Waugh Jr. pet project from memory) and maybe Agar (can't recall) had established themselves at FC level and were doing better when they were selected than Finch, Labuschagne, and MMarsh (between being dropped and recalled).

 

[Chaisa]

Lehmann only debuted players who had proved themselves and they all performed at test level.

Burns
Doolan
Ferguson
Bailey
Maddinson
M Marsh
Nevill
Agar
Mennie
Holland
Sayers

Out of those guys:

Burns - had a very fine FC record upon selection, and should be in the side now.
Doolan - this was probably less justifiable, but has always been rated highly and was in good form at the time.
Ferguson - also had a quality FC record. Was unfairly binned purely because the side got rolled.
Bailey - good FC batsman and was killing it at ODI level at the time. And there weren't much better options either (if you wanted Hughes and Khawaja to work on their techniques before returning to the side)
Maddinson - I'll give you this. Mark Waugh special.
M Marsh - borderline. From memory was picked as a Watson replacement, and was at least in hot form at the time.
Nevill - was the premier FC keeper upon selection. Didn't really work out at Test level but his selection was very much justified.
Agar - like Maddinson this was a smokey on little FC form. Never really deserved to be picked originally and Lyon didn't really deserve to be dropped.
Mennie - if anything this selection suggests an over-reliance on FC form. I think with bowlers you generally know if they're going to be good or not off watching them bowl, I think someone should've realised Mennie probably wasn't Test class.
Holland - probably the 3rd best FC spinner at the time, picked because O'Keefe was injured
Sayers - had been along with Bird the premier Shield bowler for many years, picked because Starc was injured

At least under Lehmann most of the selections was at least somewhat justifiable and in most cases they were the best player available for that particular position. Whereas now there's 3-4 batsmen who are better than basically all of our non-Khawaja batsmen not in the side.

Don't get me wrong, Lehmann needed to go, but Langer was clearly the wrong choice for the team, and that's a position I've long felt.

 

[Scotland]

At least under Lehmann most of the selections was at least somewhat justifiable and in most cases they were the best player available for that particular position. Whereas now there's 3-4 batsmen who are better than basically all of our non-Khawaja batsmen not in the side.

Don't get me wrong, Lehmann needed to go, but Langer was clearly the wrong choice for the team, and that's a position I've long felt.

Langer has been in the job for 5 minutes, and he doesn't pick the side by himself anyway. He's taken over a shit show and people already think he's the wrong man for the job. We're talking about the bloke who coached WA to two JLT Cup wins & two Shield finals, plus Perth to three BBL titles. A Perth team with a bunch of no name locals while the other franchises bought high priced imports, too.

 

[Phone]

Well Lehmann came in and made a big deal about moving Shane Watson back to opening in the test team and then by the end of the tour he wasn't even opening in OD cricket. By doing this he completely ****ed Cowan (moved down to #3 and then dropped after a match), Warner (returned to the team as a 6) and Hughes (dropped because Warner had to come in and it was either him or Smith because Lehmann had already dropped Cowan for Usman, and then Usman was dropped for the last test and James Faulkner got a game (!) instead of any of those three batsmen in a truly awful selection

I have thought about this before, you may be able to tell.

 

[freddy mercury]

Looking forward to watching Starc and co rip through the Sri Lankan batting order and carrying on like pork chops.

 

[t_94]

Why not, outside of partisan nonsense? He has a solid record (BBL titles, ODI titles, Shield finals) and a history of turning around shambolic teams. Yet five games in after taking over a colossal ******* mess and all we get is ‘brown nose gnome’ childishness. The selections were equally inconsistent under Lehman and he didn’t get half the crap after five times the games.

He has always struck me as not that intelligent and having a tendancy to play favourites. I would suggest there is some evidence of that coming to fruition at this early stage.

I do however acknowledge that he has come in to an absolute shitshow and this summer was always going to be tough.
I genuinely dont care where the coach or players are from by the way, as much as it seems some Western Australians seem to thrive off it.

 

[JackOutback]

Lehmann’s reputation seemingly getting an overhaul. His selections were equally inconsistent and his favouritism of ‘attack at all costs’ players certainly led to plenty of players being ignored.

If Langer is indeed favouring ‘good blokes’, do you think it might be somewhat under instruction given the team just embarrassed itself on the world stage by being grade A assclowns?