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Freo Summary - The Good and the Bad

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A massive chunk of experience was sliced away by the ruthless Mark Harvey, some say it was the cull needed to cast adrift the deadwood, maybe so, but it leaves a massive burden for the young squad to carry.

The likes of Peter Bell and to a degree Mark Johnson will take some replacing as will Josh Carr, each player bought an experience all to foreign to the club, the knowledge of how to win a premiership, what it takes, and the experience each possessed was a great asset.

Harvey's first draft was a success, scoring the likes of Palmer and Mayne in particular was a massive coup, both local products with the work ethic and desire to suceed at the top level, did I mention they can play? Hinkley is more of a development player and I dont expect we'll see the best of him until 2010 and beyond.


This years draft was a little suspect, I dont mind the fact that we took Hill at number 3. Obviously the club knew something we didnt and decided it wanted a player who would give his all for his jumper. What dissappointed me was the policy in regards to smalls. We took too many.

Ballantyne was bought into play, fine, thats sweet. Loved Suban with the next pick and Clarke with following, but why invest in so many 69kg 180cm short people? We needed to swoop on some talented talls before the effect of GC was felt to sure up either end. We have two A grade players at each end. Pav up forward and Macca down back, beyond those two, quality KPP's are bare. We waited until the Rookie draft for highly speculative picks in Sibasado and Shepheard. I hope they come off and from what I've seen they just might.

The team’s spine looks strong at the moment. But will it in the future? Look beyond Pavlich up forward, who do you see, Campbell and Murphy, hardly inspiring huh? Especially since Tarrant has been touted as playing further up the ground, which I suspect has something to do with his dodgy goal-kicking, which IMO is the easy way out, he's got all the tools to be a damaging leading forward inside 50, but the application to overcome his kicking problems doesnt seem to be there.


Down back I believe Drum can hold down CHB, Johnson was very dissappointing last year and as we all know Macca is elite.


B: Roger Hayden – Luke McPharlin – Antoni Grover
HB: Michael Johnson – Marcus Drum – Dean Solomon
C: Garrick Ibbotson – David Mundy – Byron Schammer
HF: Chris Mayne – Mathew Pavlich – Des Headland
FF: Hayden Ballantyne – Chris Tarrant – Paul Haselby
R: Aaron Sandilands – Rhys Palmer – Ryan Crowley
I/C: Ryan Murphy – Paul Duffield – Kepler Bradley – Nick Suban

Roger Hayden – The most polished player in the backline, has great vision, good pace and an element of flair each backline needs, he can quell and opponent whilst also creating tremendous drive.

Antoni Grover – He is a solid backman who plays taller than he actually is. He plays well on the heavier forwards and likes to wrestle more than cut off a lead, a little suspect when taken further up the ground. Normally sound by foot. Good honest backman.

Luke McPharlin – Quite simply, he needs to play as a backman. Keep him there, he reads the play too well to sit in a crowded forward line. Loves to take a contested mark over a pack and is just as effective spoiling. The only real FB option we have as things currently stand. Can match anything thrown his way. Our best defender.


Michael Johnson – Needs to pull his bloody finger out. Has all the assets, we've seen them on display, where are they? Needs to find that balance again and start making the right decisons at the right time or he could find himself on the outer in 09.

Marcus Drum - Hold great hopes for Drummy, should he be able to hold down CHB we are set in the defensive half for the next 4-5 years allowing us to draft for young KPB's. His last 5 games suggested he can, fingers crossed.

Dean Solomon - Every side needs grunt, he's got it. He may have to be carried from time to time due to his lack of pace, but I can see him playing on the opposition's least dangerous forward and using his courage to drop back into the whole and clog things up, a handy pawn to have.

David Mundy – David's transformation is nearly complete, the kid who cut his teeth on the HBF is finally becoming an option in the middle, he needs to find and maintain a level on intensity perhaps 5 % higher and he will be in the top bracket of midfielders. His disposal and ability to find space where there is none is fantastic. Also needs to learn how to put his shoulder into a tackle.


Garrick Ibbotson – Ibbotson managed to cement his spot on the wing and Half-back flank in 2008. He is an emerging talent with great athleticism. At 188cm, he is able to play as a defender or wingman. What impressed me most about Garrick in 08 was his ability to step up in the big games, twice against Geelong IIRC. Thats leadership material right there. Also needs to find and maintain an AFL intensity if he wants to take that step from promising young player to a solid AFL player.

Byron Schammer – Came into his own following the retirement of Peter Bell, really stood up in the middle and worked well with Palmer in the middle. Just teach him how to kick, and get his fitness up. He cramps up way too much for a league footy player. Natural midfielder who displayed his courage on numerous occasions.

Matthew Pavlich – Did someone say God? Seriously, he needs more support up forward. Cant kick all the goals, hopefully Balla’s can help him out and Taz can find some form. Don't need to say to much more.

Chris Mayne – Chris had a successful debut season where he managed to play in 17 games. He averaged 13 disposals, booted 10 goals and averaged 4 marks per game. Pick 40, beautiful. My favourite player at the club. His intensity is first rate. Perhaps needs to find more of the ball.


Des Headland - Cut down by injury, will need to stand up in the absence of other experienced players. Probably hasn't done this as well as we would have liked in the past. I can see Dessie being a dangerous option up forward, will need to work on his defensive application to create pressure.


Chris Tarrant – Needs to stop working on his guns and concerntrate on his goal-kicking, he has all the tools to have 50+ shots a year. Needs to knuckle down and figure out why he is so wayward.


Hayden Ballantyne – If we can get half of his output from his 08 WAFL season we’ll have a 35+ goals a year SF. Cant expect him to set the world alight, I expect to see him add a lot of pressure and feed off Pav well enough, he’s ready to go.



Paul Haselby – You cant expect him to slot straight back into the midfield straight up. He’ll need 8-10 rounds to regain his touch first and foremost, as well as a fitness base required for the engine room. I expect him to start in the forward line and gradually push into the middle. Here’s to hoping he can make a sound recovery.

Ryan Crowley – Harvs needs to play him soley as a tagger. It’s what he does, he gives the opposition the shits, gets under their skin and then has the fitness to run forward and hurt them the other way. Any other role and he almost becomes redundant. Needs to work on his kicking too, kicks too many mongrels for my liking.


Rhys Palmer – Future AA. Concerns over his kicking are a little over the top. Yeah, he’s not as polished as Rioli, but who is? Junior Rioli looks like a young Maurice. Palmer’s kicking lacks depth only after he’s run upward of 16km. I can forgive him. Knowing his work rate he’ll develop an even better fitness base, I expect him to carry on from his breakout year and continue to drive the engine room. He’ll benefit from Haselby’s return when he eventually gets back into form.

Aaron Sandilands – In 2008, Aaron proved many critics wrong. Aaron utilized his height and 125kg body to its maximum. Aaron averaged an amazing amount of 30 hit outs per game. Needs to take more marks up forward. His only weakness as it stands.

Kepler Bradley – Handy pick-up, will play as a back-up ruck option while Clarke develops. Good depth pick up.


Ryan Murphy – Some would rather see Campbell here but IMO Campbell is our version of Hansen, runs in straight lines and is shit below his knees. Murphy is natural forward and IMO should be stuck in the goal square every game. Campbell is the other option to replace him.

Paul Duffield – Finished 08 with a nice little run, has good skills and adds extra running power to the midfield engine.

Nick Suban – Ready to go, good grunt player, nice left kick who can come in and play either down back or as an option in the middle.



Defense Summary – The oppositions best tall and small options are covered by Macca and Roger. A lot will depend on the development of Drum IMO, if he can hold down CHB, Grover will become the best third tall defender in the game IMO. Id expect to see Ibbo play back at some stage as well, adding some run to that back flank. Looks steady.

Midfield Summary – Not sure about you lads/ladies, but I could see it coming together with Sandi and Palmer, as well as Schammer tapping and running to the right spots. The eventual addition of Haze can only be a good thing. I still think it’s too short and perhaps a little slow, the addition of Mundy/Ibbo and perhaps Ballantyne for stints may offset this to a degree.


Forward Summary – Quite simply someone needs to stand up next to Pav. Opposition sides sweat on the ball coming into Pav, quite often he’s triple teamed, such is the quality of the man he still managed 70+ goals. Murphy or Campbell need to go from promising to actually delivering. I expect Balla’s and even Walters, should he perform for the Swannies to pick up the crumbs but the challenge is well and truly at the feet of Murphy and Campbell, who wont start because of his shit efforts with the bulldogs at he end of the year.
 

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It's all a matter of opinion, what exactly was wrong with what I said about Jonno?
There was nothing wrong with what you said about Jonno - its alla matter of opinion. But IMO I really don't think he'll find himself on the outer if he has an average year this year, his year this year wasn't that bad - he did come 5th in the Doig Medal after all.
 
Chris Hall is alright.

We drafted a tall forward in Bocuvaz, a lot of Geelong supportes like him.

Ruffles is a bit ?? but you get that.

Remember, before the draft Harvs said that we are drafting over 2 years. The "short people" we drafted are super fast and smart. I expect us to focus on key position next year and backup our midfield with our later picks..
 
Nice write up, some real effort gone into that.
As has been pointed out Michael Magic Johnson had a better year last year in the eyes of his peers than was acknowledged here.
My buddy will rip it up in 09!
 
I agree with most of your views for what it's worth.

A lot of our players aren't A or B graders yet, but medium term looking better than it has for a fair while
 
Pretty good effort but I believe Murphy would really have to stand up over the pre season and in the WAFL early on to gain a spot. Been given several chances in the past and kiwi looked a bit more promising IMO. I believe the size of our draftees is not too much of a worry as we lost the likes of farmer, bell, the carr's, blacky and macca who are smaller types. Maybe could've picked up another KPD but I believe the draftees look pretty good. Clarke, Bucovas, Sibba and Shepherd arn't bad big guys either and I believe atleas 2 of them will be descent AFL players.
 
I would have liked another KPP in the main draft given the GC draft next year. However Harvey recently re-signed Murphy, Solomon and Thornton who are all tall, so clearly he has prefered to go with their strengths and weaknesses as opposed to getting some new talent. Also he played MacPharlin up forward quite a lot this season so he also clearly has faith in the KP backmen.
 

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I think it is a reasonably good summary and I agree with about 50% of the comments in it. The credibility of the author took a bit of a hit though when I reread the team and found Murphy's name in the 22.:(
 
I really liked the look of Murphy in 2006, but when Taz came over murphs took it pretty hard. He needs to stop sooking IMO and start to put everything he has into this season. He can be a 50+ goals a season on a consistent basis but he needs to realise that yes Tarrant his vying for his position and he needs to push himself in order to get back to were he was.

With all reports Pav might be spending a bit more time in the midfield this season but still expect he'll spend 60-70% of game time in the forward line. IMO Tarrant is better off playing at HFF or CHF. He seems to be more confident in his kicking when hes more than 40m out. This can only benefit the team if he can regularly convert these long goals.

So If I was Harvey I would give Murphy the first 10 rounds of the season and I would say to him your gonna play these 10 games wether your in form or not, barring injury. I'm prepared to back you now all you have to do is back yourself.

A little confidence could go a long way!!
 
Just an Eagles point of view:

BACKS: McPharlin, IMO, is elite. im not sure why some others dont think so.. i rate him pretty highly. Johnson is class, and im not sure if suban & hill are intended to be used as HBF's or in the guts, but if they're coming off the backline, its gonna be a good next few years for ya's.

MIDS: there's some good young talent in Palmer & Ibbo.. as i said, im not sure if you intend to play Hill & Suban here, but if so, look forward to the future (if they're guns).. Crowly (great tagger), Des (dunno if he'll play here, or on a HFF and Haselby (see des)

FORWARDS: Your strength, i think, is your forward line.. Pav is a champ, Tarrent can do special things (needs to more often), mayne seemed good (from what i saw of him.. dont know much though), ballantyne? (never seem him play tbh, but apparetly he goes alright), and Des..
there's alot of talent there

and of course there is the incredibly short sandilands..



its a good team, and whilst i support the eagles, i have no problem with the dockers being equally as succesful.. (just not more than us ;))
all the best for '09
 
I am liking the idea of Ibbo and Hill running around on HF / HB, like the bulls "unleashing the dobermans" in the Jordan era (NBA) - where they drafted a bunch of 6 foot 6 athletic types.

The strategy worked even when the players they drafted were not necessarily the most skillful... and IMO Ibbo and Hill are extremely skillful.

Though, like Harvey Hill may have to work on his public speaking, actually saying words may help him. Then again, maybe Harvey should adopt Hill's approach?
 

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I am liking the idea of Ibbo and Hill running around on HF / HB, like the bulls "unleashing the dobermans" in the Jordan era (NBA) - where they drafted a bunch of 6 foot 6 athletic types.

The strategy worked even when the players they drafted were not necessarily the most skillful... and IMO Ibbo and Hill are extremely skillful.

Though, like Harvey Hill may have to work on his public speaking, actually saying words may help him. Then again, maybe Harvey should adopt Hill's approach?[/quote]

When asking hill about his game people should realise that it is hard to put into words what he does, his brilliance should be simply watched in awe. I think he is sooooo good he even gets dumbstruck:D
 

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