Fyfe Forward

[Sweetback]

Yeah no one, absolutely not one...

Thats rough considering where Fyfe is ranked in the comp for marking!

Who else was a reliable, tall marking forward, then?

 

[Sweetback]

Yes but he isnt going to not throw himself at the football if its in dispute when he is playing forward, he doesn't have that weakness programmed in him. He also isnt going to stop jumping across or into packs to take marks (see friday night). Fyfe is his own worst enemy!

He'd be an idiot throwing himself into a pack when the ball is coming at him at eyeball height via Bennell and Weller.

 

[meima]

Fyfe is a contested beast, and if he is in the midfield he will be at the bottom of the pack and getting belted time after time - it's not just about dog acts, it's about a body getting monstered continually. It will wear out and break!

Give him periods forward where we can see the marking, crumbing and goal kicking skills he showed early in his career. I'd be happy to get him to the final series in pretty good nick then unleash the beast when it counts. The end of last year was sad, watching him bust his gut (and leg!) when he was obviously not fit.

No we can't take our fyfe out of midfield , what if we can't make it to the final series. As brilliant as D.pearce kicking forward 50 if we can't get the ball to him what is the point .

 

[The Joker]

Who else was a reliable, tall marking forward, then?

Clarke has been a huge focus, the prick just cant bring down the pack marks.
Mayne, since 2013 he couldn't hit the side of a barn but he did have alot of shots at goal.
Sandi has been good when resting forward.

Now its going to be Griff, he is going to be the game changer.

 

[Sweetback]

Clarke has been a huge focus, the prick just cant bring down the pack marks.
Mayne, since 2013 he couldn't hit the side of a barn but he did have alot of shots at goal.
Sandi has been good when resting forward.

Now its going to be Griff, he is going to be the game changer.

So all this is why we need Nat playing forward as much as possible.

 

[Unique Name]

Fyfe is a contested beast, and if he is in the midfield he will be at the bottom of the pack and getting belted time after time - it's not just about dog acts, it's about a body getting monstered continually. It will wear out and break!

Give him periods forward where we can see the marking, crumbing and goal kicking skills he showed early in his career. I'd be happy to get him to the final series in pretty good nick then unleash the beast when it counts. The end of last year was sad, watching him bust his gut (and leg!) when he was obviously not fit.

I think last year we didn't let him rest properly after the Mitchell incident. If he had had two-three games to recuperate he would have been in much better shape come end of season.

Plenty of other contested beasts/best players manage the extra attention they get
Selwood, Kennedy, Ablett, Judd, Dangerfield why can't Fyfe?

 

[_007_]

He should play where he is God damn told to play by the head coach. ****ing unbelievable (if true) that he overrules Lyon on the matter. He would be playing as a roaming CHF in the mould of Carey if I coached because that is what I think is best for the team.

With the way sides structure these days the only difference would be the number of bounces he can stand at. NOW is the point in time that Fyfe being a standout player should be allowed to influence the decision making - by allowing him to start at more bounces or even in the centre square at times, then returning to his hypothetical role as a roaming CHF.

 

[The Joker]

So all this is why we need Nat playing forward as much as possible.

Who was doing it before round 13? You've made you mide up so no point wasting ink here...

 

[Sweetback]

Who was doing it before round 13? You've made you mide up so no point wasting ink here...

There was only Pav still, although we were getting more goals from the midfield and Clarke started the year well but then faded and eventually fell out of favour. Sometime in the middle of the year the midfield goals dried up, exacerbating our KPF problem. We need a consistent, reliable, tall marking forward who is good for two or three goals a game, with the occasional bag being kicked, and who sets up a couple more goals for his team mates. At the moment Nat is the only one who fits. Everyone else has a question mark.

 

[Caldera]

He should play where he is God damn told to play by the head coach. ******* unbelievable (if true) that he overrules Lyon on the matter.

I think that may have been Ross' subtle attempt at humour during a painstaking social media exercise.

I'm not averse to seeing Fyfe spend some time up forward, but let's not be thinking he's the second coming of Pav.

 

[stax on the mull]

Be a problem for the opposition matching up when Fyfe is forward and there's a ball up in the forward 50.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Be a problem for the opposition matching up when Fyfe is forward and there's a ball up in the forward 50.

Even more so with Harley Bennell and Walters at the stoppage.

 

[The Joker]

There was only Pav still, although we were getting more goals from the midfield and Clarke started the year well but then faded and eventually fell out of favour. Sometime in the middle of the year the midfield goals dried up, exacerbating our KPF problem. We need a consistent, reliable, tall marking forward who is good for two or three goals a game, with the occasional bag being kicked, and who sets up a couple more goals for his team mates. At the moment Nat is the only one who fits. Everyone else has a question mark.

Question mark, there is one behind Nats kicking...

 

[Sweetback]

Question mark, there is one behind Nats kicking...

Only due to the first quarter of the 2013 GF.

 

[The Joker]

Only due to the first quarter of the 2013 GF.

Oh please...

 

[meima]

Even more so with Harley Bennell and Walters at the stoppage.

Yes agree ,if we can get average 6 goal and 22 disposal from from them. It will be ideal. Speed ,aerial marking , foot skill , beast mode.

 

[Sweetback]

Oh please...

I posted these a while ago:

Here are some career averages for set shot conversion (not including OOF of which Cloke would have heaps):
Cloke: 55.2%
Fyfe: 58.3%
Tippett: 60.7%
Gunston: 66.2%

Comparing him to a midfielder:
Josh Kennedy (Swans): 47.3%
Jobe Watson: 58.7% (including 2012, where he averaged 74%).

In this article Ross admitted that we stopped spreading the ball when the midfield was strangled:

Lyon hopes the tweaks to the running program this summer will help the Dockers work through situations when their midfield is strangled and their often lightning-quick ball movement is stymied.

"We stopped spreading the ball, so we just bombed it in to get forward entries and that made us easier to defend. That put some pressure on us," he said.

"Hopefully (the revised summer program) has helped us to improve our skill and decision making under pressure."

http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2016-02-07/harley-bennell-embracing-freo-culture-lyon

 

[The Joker]

I posted these a while ago:

Here are some career averages for set shot conversion (not including OOF of which Cloke would have heaps):
Cloke: 55.2%
Fyfe: 58.3%
Tippett: 60.7%
Gunston: 66.2%

Comparing him to a midfielder:
Josh Kennedy (Swans): 47.3%
Jobe Watson: 58.7% (including 2012, where he averaged 74%).

Give me more! Distance, angle, period of the game, total number of shots ect. Its easy to give percentages but Cloke regularly kicks goals from outside 50, how many has Nat kicked?

 

[Sweetback]

Give me more! Distance, angle, period of the game, total number of shots ect. Its easy to give percentages but Cloke regularly kicks goals from outside 50, how many has Nat kicked?

shitloads

 

[DudleyDocker]

I think that may have been Ross' subtle attempt at humour during a painstaking social media exercise.

I'm not averse to seeing Fyfe spend some time up forward, but let's not be thinking he's the second coming of Pav.

Correct - Fyfe has said himself he loves getting forward.

 

[free at last]

Hawthorn average 4.5 more goals than us last year.If Fyfe can get close to 40 gls we've closed the gap to 3.5 gls.Bennell can hopefully boot 25-30 gls that gets us within 2.5 gls of Hawthorn.Some how we have to find another 2.5 gls per game.

 

[meima]

Correct - Fyfe has said himself he loves getting forward.

The upside is he can concentrate more on his forward role after getting brownie.if he can win flag as 30 goal forward/mid his value will sky rocket also. Ablett Jr is a great player because he can hurt you playing HF,getting cheap possession at backline also. The way I see his interview fyfe want to be a complete player rather then a mid player , whether with freo or another team nobody know.
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[DudleyDocker]

Hawthorn average 4.5 more goals than us last year.If Fyfe can get close to 40 gls we've closed the gap to 3.5 gls.Bennell can hopefully boot 25-30 gls that gets us within 2.5 gls of Hawthorn.Some how we have to find another 2.5 gls per game.

This average points per game is slightly misleading. If you looked at average points per game against quality opposition it would be a far different story.

The fact is we don't beat up on the weak sides like other teams do. If we scored 25 goals against the Brisbanes, Carltons, Melbournes etc that would add a lot to our average points per game. But as West Coast discovered to their chagrin last year it really only matters how much you can score against the top sides.

We don't need to average 4 more goals a game, we need to be able to kick more goals than Hawthorn when we play them.

 

[M_rash]

Doesn't really matter who we play forward when we were ranked 14th for inside 50's per game. Which is pretty bad considering we were ranked 4th in total disposals per game. Probably why the focus has been on skills and ball movement. Our forwards don't get much of a chance to kick goals at the moment - moving our best midfielder forward to fix this seems counter intuitive.

 

[The Joker]

Doesn't really matter who we play forward when we were ranked 14th for inside 50's per game.

And snap...

Really couldnt have put it any better if i tried