Gablett Out

[thehoff]

Yeah ok... Anyone who criticises someone with the last name of Ablett couldn't possibly be a Geelong supporter right? Wrong.

I've been a Geelong member for many years, this being the case I can say whatever the hell I want about any player, as I pay their fricken salary. There are too many one eyed supporters on here who seem to believe I'm attacking the club as a whole by criticising an Ablett... people seem to take it personally for some reason. I see it at the games too... Especially from women.

This is very likely a reason why Gary is such a cry baby on the ground. He is believing all the fan press, which is obviously in the vein that he can do no wrong. It must be someone elses fault?? I'm afraid not. While he is a very good player, he is not in the elite AFL group and needs to set a better example on the field.

I don't think you could be further from the truth... Gary is a player that gives 100% every time he pulls on the jumper, sure he whinges to the umpires but usually this is justified because he has a heavy tag and Gary sometimes believes the treatment he gets off the ball is outside the rules.

This is such a bad bad bad point of view for a Geelong supporter. You should direct your criticism to players like Byrnes, Gardiner, etc that very little right.

 

[Cattery]

Yeah ok... Anyone who criticises someone with the last name of Ablett couldn't possibly be a Geelong supporter right? Wrong.

I've been a Geelong member for many years, this being the case I can say whatever the hell I want about any player, as I pay their fricken salary. There are too many one eyed supporters on here who seem to believe I'm attacking the club as a whole by criticising an Ablett... people seem to take it personally for some reason. I see it at the games too... Especially from women.

This is very likely a reason why Gary is such a cry baby on the ground. He is believing all the fan press, which is obviously in the vein that he can do no wrong. It must be someone elses fault?? I'm afraid not. While he is a very good player, he is not in the elite AFL group and needs to set a better example on the field.

Can't speak for anyone else obviously, but as I see it you're free to say whatever you like about any player, the Abletts included.

What I object to [ and I suspect others may as well ] is the abuse you heap on anyone who disagrees with your opinions; just as you're free to criticise the players others have just as much right to disagree with you [ as I do with your assessment of Gary ] as long as it's done in a reasonable manner.

 

[martyk]

Can't speak for anyone else obviously, but as I see it you're free to say whatever you like about any player, the Abletts included.

What I object to [ and I suspect others may as well ] is the abuse you heap on anyone who disagrees with your opinions; just as you're free to criticise the players others have just as much right to disagree with you [ as I do with your assessment of Gary ] as long as it's done in a reasonable manner.

Where exaclty have I abused anyone?

I guess I'll just have to accept that Gary really isn't that great a player. Considering he gives 100% EVERY GAME as mentioned earlier, maybe I'll just learn to accept his downfalls, including the fact that while he constantly abuses his fellow team mates he will never be a leader at the club. Thats right!! I'm not talking about him crying to the umpires, it's the abuse he give his team mates which is totally wrong and uncalled for. I've mentioned before that Ling had to shut him up on the weekend.

If you all think this aspect of Gary's game is good for him and the club then fine. The fact is at least one player usually gets tagged per team / game and they seem to deal with it far better than Gary does... he needs to pull his head in.

 

[thehoff]

Where exaclty have I abused anyone?

I guess I'll just have to accept that Gary really isn't that great a player. Considering he gives 100% EVERY GAME as mentioned earlier, maybe I'll just learn to accept his downfalls, including the fact that while he constantly abuses his fellow team mates he will never be a leader at the club. Thats right!! I'm not talking about him crying to the umpires, it's the abuse he give his team mates which is totally wrong and uncalled for. I've mentioned before that Ling had to shut him up on the weekend.

If you all think this aspect of Gary's game is good for him and the club then fine. The fact is at least one player usually gets tagged per team / game and they seem to deal with it far better than Gary does... he needs to pull his head in.

With all due respect, that is the worst post in the history of the forum!

You might want to watch a game...... Have you ever seen a game of AFL being played?

 

[martyk]

With all due respect, that is the worst post in the history of the forum!

You might want to watch a game...... Have you ever seen a game of AFL being played?

Like I've said earlier, you do nothing but attempt to fuel arguments. This is yet another example.

Feel free to disagree with me and state why, but in what way is your above post constructive? If you think I'm so wrong then debate it, don't claim you have read the worst post without at least attempting to back up that claim...

 

[thehoff]

Like I've said earlier, you do nothing but attempt to fuel arguments. This is yet another example.

Feel free to disagree with me and state why, but in what way is your above post constructive? If you think I'm so wrong then debate it, don't claim you have read the worst post without at least attempting to back up that claim...

You claimed Gary Ablett Junior has a negative impact on the side. Enough Said!

 

[Rubberducky]

He gets stuck into his team mates, I see it week in week out. I'm not having a dig, its just what I see. BUT I will say that whilst the actions don't look great on the field in no way does it mean he'll never be a leader at the club. His actions show the passion he has, add to that the efforts he puts in and there is massive leadership potential.

Whilst I cringe everytime I watch a player stamp his foot and point at a team mate that has just turned the ball over I also realise that if each player had the same standards, the same expectations and nothing short of the best was expected, then we wouldn't put on so many mediocre performances. A player doesn't do it for no reason, the frustration would come from certain players never getting it right but seemingly never held accountable for their mistakes and we all know who those players are.

 

[martyk]

You claimed Gary Ablett Junior has a negative impact on the side. Enough Said!

I can assure you that the type of behaviour Gary gets up to is not promoted by the leadership group, nor the coaching staff. Like I said, Ling(Captain) told him to shut up (watch the game, its was clear on the tv) because when your losing, it is just not warranted and it does have a negative impact on the other players. Every player gets frustrated, and no player is perfect including Gary. He makes many, many mistakes himself and must learn that his abuse towards team mates is not helping himself or anyone else.

 

[thehoff]

I can assure you that the type of behaviour Gary gets up to is not promoted by the leadership group, nor the coaching staff. Like I said, Ling(Captain) told him to shut up (watch the game, its was clear on the tv) because when your losing, it is just not warranted and it does have a negative impact on the other players. Every player gets frustrated, and no player is perfect including Gary. He makes many, many mistakes himself and must learn that his abuse towards team mates is not helping himself or anyone else.

I can not recall Ling telling him to shut-up, nor do i think Ling of all people has the right to tell Gary to shut-up. What quarter? What passage of play?

How do you know this type of behavior is not promoted? Gary is striving for perfection and whilst he himself makes mistakes, he makes mistakes whilst attempting things that will put the team in a better position. I'd love to have a few more players with Gary's desire in the team.

How do you know that Gary is not telling someone off for breaking a team rule? How do you know that he is not being critical on the field as a directive from the coaching staff? I know i read a article about a year ago where Bomber suggested he was happy for his team to be critical upon each other....

Whilst "Some" of your points are almost valid, most of the stuff you post is garbage!

 

[martyk]

I can not recall Ling telling him to shut-up, nor do i think Ling of all people has the right to tell Gary to shut-up. What quarter? What passage of play?

It was towards the end of one of a quarter, a Geelong player had a shot from 50ish before Gary went off tap. Ling threw is hand up and told Gary to keep quite. Our 50 was flooded all game so it wasn't like he was all alone inside 50.

How do you know this type of behavior is not promoted? Gary is striving for perfection and whilst he himself makes mistakes, he makes mistakes whilst attempting things that will put the team in a better position. I'd love to have a few more players with Gary's desire in the team.

I'm posting rubbish? Come on.... How does all of Gary's missed goal attempts put the team in a better position? While he does create more than any other player (S.Johnson up there too) he misses many simple set shots and running goals under no pressure.

How do you know that Gary is not telling someone off for breaking a team rule? How do you know that he is not being critical on the field as a directive from the coaching staff? I know i read a article about a year ago where Bomber suggested he was happy for his team to be critical upon each other....

C'mon... you've hit the bottom of the barrel here, and are showing that you obviously have never played football yourself. Being critical off the ground can be very constructive for sure.. but, on field it angers senior players and hurts the confidence of younger players. Gary has no right to blame / fire shots at team mates during a game as much as he does... if he was directed to do such things, wouldn't he be captain? Or at least in the leadership group? Your point has no merit????

Whilst "Some" of your points are almost valid, most of the stuff you post is garbage!

Unlike yourself I let my on-topic posts do the talking.... I'm expecting the insulting picture or physical threat coming real soon...

 

[thehoff]

It was towards the end of one of a quarter, a Geelong player had a shot from 50ish before Gary went off tap. Ling threw is hand up and told Gary to keep quite. Our 50 was flooded all game so it wasn't like he was all alone inside 50.

Didn't see it, can't comment.... Give a more exact time!

I'm posting rubbish? Come on.... How does all of Gary's missed goal attempts put the team in a better position? While he does create more than any other player (S.Johnson up there too) he misses many simple set shots and running goals under no pressure.

Gary's positives far outwiegh his negatives. Hi goal kicking is not that bad. Direct your anger towards Shannon Byrnes who should never play another game for us in his life.

C'mon... you've hit the bottom of the barrel here, and are showing that you obviously have never played football yourself. Being critical off the ground can be very constructive for sure.. but, on field it angers senior players and hurts the confidence of younger players. Gary has no right to blame / fire shots at team mates during a game as much as he does... if he was directed to do such things, wouldn't he be captain? Or at least in the leadership group? Your point has no merit????

I'd be 99% confident that i have much played a much higher level of football than you.

If you had played as much football as you suggest, you would know that you don't have to be a Captain or even in the leadership group to show on ground leadership. Gary, like Scarlett leads by example. If you can't see that, you have no ounce of football nous whatsoever.

Unlike yourself I let my on-topic posts do the talking.... I'm expecting the insulting picture or physical threat coming real soon...

keep on topic pal!

 

[martyk]

I'd be 99% confident that i have much played a much higher level of football than you.

Try me????

 

[thehoff]

Try me????

PM...

 

[Tonycam*]

You guys make a real great read

 

[martyk]

Gary's positives far outwiegh his negatives. Hi goal kicking is not that bad. Direct your anger towards Shannon Byrnes who should never play another game for us in his life.

Positives outweighing negatives was never the argument.. You incorrectly stated that whenever Gary makes a mistake, its for the good of the team. You are obviously wrong.

I'm not comparing him with Shannon Byrnes either, he is fluff...

If you had played as much football as you suggest, you would know that you don't have to be a Captain or even in the leadership group to show on ground leadership. Gary, like Scarlett leads by example. If you can't see that, you have no ounce of football nous whatsoever.

This does not support your argument. If Gary is an on-field leader as your suggesting, what good could he possibly be doing by damaging the confidence of younger players and setting a bad example by flaming his team mates? No couch in their right mind would approve of such efforts. This is not a leader my friend.

Just imagine for a minute if every Geelong player cried like Gary... it would be a farce to say the least. I can see Gary being a leader, but only once he removes this whinging aspect of his game... I really hope its a teething problem, time will tell.

 

[Mooney_d'King]

I'd be 99% confident that i have much played a much higher level of football than you.

Try me????

Allow me to be the adjudicator, please

We want details, if possible...

 

[Cattery]

Where exaclty have I abused anyone?

I guess I'll just have to accept that Gary really isn't that great a player. Considering he gives 100% EVERY GAME as mentioned earlier, maybe I'll just learn to accept his downfalls, including the fact that while he constantly abuses his fellow team mates he will never be a leader at the club. Thats right!! I'm not talking about him crying to the umpires, it's the abuse he give his team mates which is totally wrong and uncalled for. I've mentioned before that Ling had to shut him up on the weekend.

If you all think this aspect of Gary's game is good for him and the club then fine. The fact is at least one player usually gets tagged per team / game and they seem to deal with it far better than Gary does... he needs to pull his head in.

Don't want to get into that aspect as I think it's fairly frivolous to be truthful, and I can honestly say I haven't noticed him doing it much anyway; have seen him go off at the umpires at times though.
And unless you can actually hear what's he's supposed to be saying to his team mates you're really just speculating that what's said is unacceptable behaviour or is bad for morale.

It's your contention that he doesn't win enough contested footy or that he plays for himself rather then the team that I find somewhat bewildering though.
He's actually number one at the club for winning the contested ball and as far as I know he's near the top of the competition in that aspect, and as I pointed out before one doesn't really need stats to see that's one of his great strengths.

Also believe he's as team orientated as anybody wearing the blue and white hoops, always looking to do the team thing and bring others into the game, something at which he's second to none.

As stated you're free to criticise him the same as any other player, it just appears that you're going out of your way to find fault with him for some reason, to the point that you're making statements that are just not supported by the facts.

 

[tiredcat]

Re: Gablett Out
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyk
It was towards the end of one of a quarter, a Geelong player had a shot from 50ish before Gary went off tap. Ling threw is hand up and told Gary to keep quite. Our 50 was flooded all game so it wasn't like he was all alone inside 50.

Didn't see it, can't comment.... Give a more exact time!

At siren for 1/2 time and players around where Mackie and Hunt. Geelong in attack Mackie passed to Mooney (crap pass too high ) Mooney dropped his 2nd chest mark for the day. Ling picked up the ball and handballed to to Hunt who handballed to Prismalls feet Siren The Spray was not to severe but not warranted imo

 

[thehoff]

Re: Gablett Out
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyk
It was towards the end of one of a quarter, a Geelong player had a shot from 50ish before Gary went off tap. Ling threw is hand up and told Gary to keep quite. Our 50 was flooded all game so it wasn't like he was all alone inside 50.

Didn't see it, can't comment.... Give a more exact time!

At siren for 1/2 time and players around where Mackie and Hunt. Geelong in attack Mackie passed to Mooney (crap pass too high ) Mooney dropped his 2nd chest mark for the day. Ling picked up the ball and handballed to to Hunt who handballed to Prismalls feet Siren The Spray was not to severe but not warranted imo

Thanks mate, I'll take a look.

 

[martyk]

It's your contention that he doesn't win enough contested footy

I love how you lot will make up garbage like this to try and somehow prove me wrong?? I never said anything of the sort.

I have attacked one small aspect of Gary's game here(his crying), and I find it really interesting that so many of you get your backs up about it... to the point where your willing to spend time looking back at the game to justify yourselves and stick up for the guy by saying he only makes mistakes when its in the teams interest... pfft..

Gary is a very good player but is far from perfect and not included in the elite at AFL level. Why should the fact that he is in the top 4 players in our team stop me from criticising him too?

I've basically proven that no matter what the criticism, if its about Ablett, you guys cannot swallow it..

 

[WE Are Geelong]

Who knows maybe the concept of swallowing is quite widely accepted when it comes to the Ablett boys on here....

Sorry to class things up.. ...I could get red carded again.

Hey but its a reasonable enough point. I never bag Jnr and Nathan (and Snr for that matter)... I guess one of the reasons is I am very grateful both boys decided to play footy for the club given the amount of pressure they are always under for their name...I guess thats my reason for laying off them more than anyone else.

 

[Larakin15]

Saw it too, at the end of the 2nd quarter, it looked terrible. After the siren went, he basically ran from deep in the forward line all the way up to the 50 metre line to give Hunt a big spray, gesticulating with his arms...it was uncalled for and looked terrible, and is just the sort of thing that damaged team spirit last season.

IMO opinion he was our best player, but he needs to get these things out of his game, makes him look like he thinks he can behave however he wants cos he is an Ablett...

 

[catswhiskers]

Haven't followed this discussion too closely but Perhaps Gaz knew what Hunts instructions were and he knew he had not followed them well. Hunt needs a rocket. The selectors have dropped Hunt, perhaps for the reasons Gaz saw.

We need leaders on field. Perhaps (with some modification to how he does it) Gaz might be showing he is ready.

 

[chapmanmagic35]

Yes, as Mooney d'King said, we need to know details. TheHoff and MartyK, where did you play?

FWIW, Ablett is an exceptional footballer at times but he does go over the top with his 'sooking' sometimes.

 

[JUBJUB]

Saw it too, at the end of the 2nd quarter, it looked terrible. After the siren went, he basically ran from deep in the forward line all the way up to the 50 metre line to give Hunt a big spray

Now we know why martyk isn't happy with Jr

Onya Jr