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Sep 17, 2003
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Whilst many are expecting us to beat Carlton, I see this as being our toughest challenge yet. We beat injury depleted Crows and Dockers in impressive wins.

- Besides last weeks loss to Geelong, Cartons form has been pretty good

- They gave us a bath in the NAB Cup game, we had everyone except McPhee and only a few good spurts resulted in a deceiving end scoreline. They controlled most of the play

- The crowd atmosphere always generates a lift in Carlton regardless of who they have on the field

We are more polished since then and should win, but a lot does need to go our way

Matchups:

Lloyd/Thornton

Thornton is underrated IMO, not a given that Lloyd will destroy him. Will Lloyd spend more time in the goalsquare or push up to half forward. How will Carlton adjust accordingly. O’Halpin is another one who could get the gig and he has looked very good.

Lucas/Waite

Waite got the better of Scotty in the NAB Cup game but Lucas is in great form. Waite has the right athleticism to go with him. Probably his toughest opponent to date

Fletcher/Whitnall

This would depend on Lance actually starting at CHF and could be dangerous for us. His in bad form, so doubt he has a blinder against us. Both read the play really well

Ryden/Kennedy

Another task for Paddy. What destroyed Carlton last week was that they kept bombing the ball in long and high where Geelong had numbers dropping back. If this were to continue, Ryder would be significant in this role as he has been. The bonus with him is that with his height and leap he can kill a contest before his opponent can even touch the ball. He has done that a fair bit lately.

Mal/Fevola

Fev dest royed him in the NAB cup, but Mal was and perhaps still is underdone and the umps crucified him. We need to ensure the likes of McPhee and others are dropping back into the space Fev will lead into as Mal has no chance on the lead and is how Freo exposed us last week.




Midfeilds

Watson, Stanton, Winderlich, Peverill, Heffernan, Dyson, Lovett, Slattery, Davey McPhee, MJ, McVeigh


Murphy, Stevens, Gibbs, Walker, Carazzo, Lappin, Bentick, Scotland, Russell, Betts, Simpson

All these guys are likely to be rotated throughout the ground. Probably a tougher midfield than what both Adelaide and Freo put out. This area is where Carlton have hurt us in the past but we are more equipped now than we have been in a while. I’d say we’d be tagging Stevens with Pev while they’ll put Russell on Stants. The ruckwork will impact this big time.


Rucks

Hille, Laycock

Ackland, McLaren

Not sure if McLaren will get a game but our ruckwork still needs to improve. It amazes me how many times Hille will go up at a centre bounce and get nowhere near the bal, he’ll jump to early, too late, no technique. We need to feed the midfield



We need to force Carlton to bomb it in long which means we need to drop numbers back. When we have the ball we need to keep doing what we’ve been doing and playing on at every opportunity whilst maintaining possession when necessary. There is a big dependency of Laycock standing up as a third tall forward. Don’t know whether we need another Ruckman for this match and whether Johns, Gumby or Neagle could be a better option but it could also work out well and we probably should play him while his healthy.


Must win!
 
Carlton always seem to play better against Essendon and Collingwood. lloyd will have to be on his game if essendon want to win. fletch and mal will have to keep fev quiet cos i reckon their midfield might beat ours.
 
We seem to have got back some hardness at the footy and aggressive tackling that has been missing for a while. We need to keep this going.
The problem occurred in the past when players became undisciplined while attempting to be hard men.
 

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I think Setanta will be playing on Lloyd. Waite on Lucas. Both our defenders have a huge task ahead of them this week against those two.

Thornton will take your third forward.

Rucks will be Ackland and Cloke.

Mal vs Fev will be a good one, i have a feeling Fevola will come out and kick a few as he's been very quiet over the past two games by his standards.

Your speed worries me. Monfries and Winderlich in particular.
 
I think Setanta will be playing on Lloyd. Waite on Lucas. Both our defenders have a huge task ahead of them this week against those two.

Thornton will take your third forward.

Rucks will be Ackland and Cloke.

Mal vs Fev will be a good one, i have a feeling Fevola will come out and kick a few as he's been very quiet over the past two games by his standards.

Your speed worries me. Monfries and Winderlich in particular.


AWG is pretty much spot on there.

I think you will find we are much better prepared this time around and i think your major concern, as Dasawx mentioned, will be our pressure we apply.

Should be a good game, as they always are.

Lets hope both teams get though injury free and the best team on the day wins
 
- They gave us a bath in the NAB Cup game, we had everyone except McPhee and only a few good spurts resulted in a deceiving end scoreline. They controlled most of the play

Funnily enough, I was actually clearing out my HD recorder the other day, and that game was still in there. So stuff it, I watched most of the first half .

What an amazing change we have made! Surely it was a different team out there than the one who played Adelaide and Freo?

Our forwardline hardly worked - it was Lloyds first game back and it really showed, Lucas was well held and the delivery apalling, but he is in rare form right now - our kicking for goal was bad - we could have jumped them something shocking if it wasnt for poor kicking in the first 10 minutes - which, mind you, we dominated.

Our backline wasnt the confident, rebounding self it is now - Michael and Fletcher gave away cheap goals with the new rule - I dont think they have given one away since?? The kicking from defense and in the midfield was laughable - we missed target after target.

And - they "dominated" in a 15 or so minute stretch before and after the first break - they scored 2 or 3 cheap goals from hands in the back frees, then got a 9 pointer through a McVeigh 50m penalty. That blew the scoreline out to that 5 goal margain we had to peg back.

In play, it was different, as bad as we were.

Anyway, if anyone has it still, chuck it on for a look. We really have come a long way in a month/6 weeks.

But, having said that, I hate playing Carlton. This is a 50/50 game - anything is possible.

I have stopped worrying about matchups etc, because generally, in this game, form etc seems to go out the window. Wouldnt suprise me at all if Whitnall or especially Lappin suddenly found form on Saturday.

Word on BB I was reading was Fev has a tear in a medial ligament, and perhaps may miss? If not, he is definteily playing through some problem with his knee.

I am with Ant555 (posted at BB), if they are playing him with this injury it really is amazing. Surely he has to be rested? Long term health is more important than a couple of early season games. Surely?

Geelong showed they could pressure Carltons midfield and then dominate - IMO thats where the game is at. If we can apply the same pressure we have been doing, we should bring them undone.

If we treat this game, like in the past, like millionaires thinking it is just going to happen, we are in for a rude shock.

Quitely confident, but a loss wouldnt totally shock.
 
Likely teams:

Essendon
Backs: Ryder Michael Slattery
Half-backs: McPhee Fletcher McVeigh
Centres: Winderlich Watson Lovett
Half-forwards: Hird Lucas M Johnson
Forwards: Monfries Lloyd Davey
Followers: Hille Peverill Stanton
Interchange: Laycock Jetta Heffernan Dyson
Emergencies: Johns Bolton Bradley

Carlton
Backs: Houlihan O'hAilpin Thornton
Half-backs: Scotland Whitnall Walker
Centres: Simpson Stevens Lappin
Half-forwards: Carrazzo Waite Fisher
Forwards: Kennedy Fevola Betts
Followers: Cloke Bentick Murphy
Interchange: Ackland Gibbs Russell Wiggins
Emergencies: Blackwell Hartlett Bower

From a Carlton perspective, I would expect Russell to run with Stanton as he did a good jub in the NAB Cup and Walker to run with Hird when in the midfield. Should Hird play forward, Thornton will probably go to him. Oh'Ailpin should get the job on Lloyd after a good showing in the NAB cup and Waite would be favoured to take Lucas however Pagan might hand the big job to Lance to challenge him. It will be interesting to see who gets the jobs on Davey and Jetta when they're on the field, most likely Carrazzo or Houlihan.

For Essendon, Michael should take Fevola and Fletch will take Waite or Whitnall if they play forward, or if they don't he'll probably take Brad Fisher. Ryder will play on Kennedy but if Kennedy spends time on the bench and Whitnall goes forward, Ryder could go to the out of form skipper. Expect Henry Slattery to take Eddie Betts. Through the midfield, Heffernan would be a good match for Marc Murphy and Pev should get the job on Nick Stevens.
 
the last 2-3 drafts have been excellent for the blues but they are still suffering from earlier years with their defenders......... setanta will cop a hiding this week and will make Lance look like he is in career best form

they have nothing to stop an essendon forward line that is working as cohesive as any top side over many years

bombers comfortably for this reason
 
Win .

Lucas was a bit out of soughts when physical pressure was put on him in the first half last week .He must adapt quickly .

Some fwds were too slow to make space for the ball carrier ( probably not used to the ball coming in so quickly , Ha ha ) .

Some players took their eyes off the ball when it was coming to them either by a handball or a kick .

They have to tighten up at the centre bounces .

Tarrant run Michael all over the park .The loose man in defence sometimes must be aware of this and go and help and block off ie: Tarrants ball coming to him.

Santana ( nickname i gave the irish player ) the full back is quick and tall and punches the ball away from his opposing player at every opportunity ie: J Brown ( bris ) so the bombers quicks have to be ready for this .I hope he doesnt take 20 marks this week and make a fool of me .

Dont drop their tackling intensity , it was one feature that stood out against the Dockers last week .
 
I think the way to go about it would be to play Fletch on Fev as he's done really well on him in the past when not injured or suspended. I also think this because last week Tarrant was too quick off the mark for Mal, and I'm worried Fev could do the same this week. Fev's apparently questionable this week with his knee so this might push Whitnall into the forward line... perhaps the cure to his poor start this season. I do think their midfield will beat ours (sorry guys) with Stevens, Scotland, Murphy and others winning the ball and making space.

I think we need to capitalise in the ruck; Hille needs to win the taps to provide our midfield with first use of the ball. Lloyd and Lucas are looking unstoppable, and with Davey roaming around in our forward line, will pressure them when they have possession in our F50. I think Sentana will get Lloyd, and Lance will get Scotty to boost his confidence (if he doesnt go forward). The coaching staff should look at the Cats game last week very carefully, as they destroyed them in every position on the ground. I think if we keep Fev quiet and minimise the impacts of Scotland and Stevens we'll be right for another good win, but you can never be too sure with the unpredictable Blues:rolleyes:
 
My oppinion is that carlton should be more worried about our forward line, than we should be about there's.
Lloyd and Lucas are way better than fev and whittnal.
 

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Laycock needs to sort his kicking out. Could have kicked 4 last week and might really stretch the blues like the cats were able to do with 3 talls.

Stevens, Simpson and co worry me a bit. This is a game where we might miss JJ a lot. Hopefully Hille can dominate the ruck so our boys get first use because if they do I think we're better at either end of the ground.
 
Stevens, Simpson and co worry me a bit. This is a game where we might miss JJ a lot. Hopefully Hille can dominate the ruck so our boys get first use because if they do I think we're better at either end of the ground.

No need to worry about them anymore than you would Bell, Headland, Carr x2 and Haselby. They like to step it up against us, we just need to make sure we are ready.
 
They'll play better than they are, and we'll play worse. Complete toss-up as to the winner.

I completely agree, why can't we just for once bring out our A-grade 4-quarter game against them? To give them credit, they always find the perfect match ups for us and usually make us look more B-grade than we actually are - win, lose or draw... even when we were pretty good a few years back they had a funny knack of just knocking the stuffing out of us...

I can sense one of those tense games coming up... please boys, prove me wrong...

PS would any of us be really surprised to see Lance Whitnall play the game of his life? It's so meant to happen and we'll play the guy into form, no doubt - win, lose or draw...
 
Laycock needs to sort his kicking out. Could have kicked 4 last week and might really stretch the blues like the cats were able to do with 3 talls.

It really looked like a confidence problem on Sunday. He slotted the first one through the middle then after the second one he really showed his dissapointment and I think that got to him a tad. I think if he plays 15+ games this season he will feel like he belongs and he you will see him slot those nearly everytime. :thumbsu:
 
It really looked like a confidence problem on Sunday. He slotted the first one through the middle then after the second one he really showed his dissapointment and I think that got to him a tad. I think if he plays 15+ games this season he will feel like he belongs and he you will see him slot those nearly everytime. :thumbsu:
Yeah completely agree. The main thing is that he was able to find the ball easily which was great to see considering how long its been since he played an AFL game.
He can always work on his kicking just as long as he keeps finding the ball like he did last week.
 

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You guys don't give yourselves enough credit, 2 good wins which would have been penciled in as losses by most.
The mix of height and speed in your forward line means that if your midfield gets on top the Dons will kick a big score.
 
i reckon even if our midfield breaks even with the opposition we should be able to kick a winning score most weeks

we just have to make sure we don't get belted in the middle
 
The biggest matchup of all is Sheedy v Pagan. Pagan has the points in recent times imo. Has matched up very well against sheeds with very little cattle.
Will it be one of the last times?
 
i reckon this will be pagan's last year as carlton coach if they don't make the finals which is highly unlikely
 
i reckon this will be pagan's last year as carlton coach if they don't make the finals which is highly unlikely

I have to disagree. Realistically, all Carlton would have been aiming for this season is a finish outside the bottom 4 and some promising signs from young players. At the moment, there are some promising signs and they look good enough to finish outside the bottom 4. Carlton will certainly remember what Pagan was at North Melbourne with a good side and I expect they will take the gamble of hanging on to him because there's reasonable chance he's the right person to guide Carlton to a possible Premiership in 2-3 years time. He was master tactician working with North Melbourne's stars, no reason why he can't be a master tactician working with Carlton's future stars.
 
i reckon this will be pagan's last year as carlton coach if they don't make the finals which is highly unlikely
I disagree very muchly with this. Royle, Clarkson, Thomas, and Danny Frawley attest to the wisdom of expecting a new coach to be able to forge a winning team as they rebuild a list. Sheeds, however, (and Malthouse, and Pagan too - to a lesser extent of course :D) is proving yet again that experience matters in coaching. Pages is safe, IMHO. He's run his gauntlet, and at the end, he's found himself with a reasonable list, and looking up again.

As for the game plan v Carlton:
1st half: poke their eyes out
2nd half: ...
 

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