Review GBU vs the Giants

[Scrogdogg]

Hitout to Advantage. Ignoring those who average less than 10 hitouts per game:
Dawson Simpson (GWS) - 39.6%
Ryan Abbott (Geel) - 37%
Tom Bellchambers (Ess) - 36.5%
Rory Lobb (GWS) - 36.2%
Aaron Sandilands (Freo) - 35.2%
Max Gawn (Mel) - 34.9%
Nathan Vardy (WCE) - 34.7%
Tom Hickey (StK) - 34.2%
Paddy Ryder (Port) - 32.1%
Brodie Grundy (Col) - 32%
Marc Pittonet (Haw) - 32%
Ben McEvoy (Haw) - 31.8%
Jonathan Ceglar (Haw) - 31.7%
Stefan Martin (Bris) - 31.6%
Oscar McInerney (Bris) - 31.5%
Todd Goldstein (NM) - 30.8%
Billy Longer (StK) - 30.6%
Andrew Phillips (Carl) - 30.2%
Lewis Pierce (StK) - 29.6%
Nic Naitanui (WCE) - 29.4%
Sam Jacobs (Adel) - 28.2%
Rhys Stanley (Geel) - 26.2%
Jordan Roughead (WB) - 25%
Scott Lycett (WCE) - 24.8%
Michael Apeness (Freo) - 24.7%
Callum Sinclair (Syd) - 24.3%
Matthew Kreuzer (Carl) - 24.3%
Jarrod Witts (GC) - 24.2%
Zac Smith (Geel) - 23.2%
Tim English (WB) - 21.9%
Matthew Leuenberger (Ess) - 21.7%
Tom Boyd (WB) - 20.1%
Lachlan Keeffe (GWS) - 16.7%
Matthew Lobbe (Carl) - 16.7%


The takeaways from this little exercise:

• Hitouts to Advantage is one of the most useless stats collected by Champion Data.
• Anyone thinking that Lycett is the answer to the ruck problems at Adelaide or Port is probably kidding themselves.

http://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-p...0vu9P5tF5bC1FxJUxuJWsqI6cGFsIR7AAkr9ObowIT1EA

Agree that the Hitout to Advantage Stat is so lacking in observable, definable substance.

 

[King Elvis]

No players in any club have this attitude. Every player always puts their hand up. The only time they don't is when they are actually injured and they are of such standing that they know their spot is in no danger at all. Players telling the coach, "Give my spot to someone else - they'll be better than me" is pure myth

Exactly - that’s why we have a coaching panel. I don’t blame the players; they should want to play every game, and contribute to being part of the team.

 

[BRL121]

Hitout to Advantage. Ignoring those who average less than 10 hitouts per game:
Dawson Simpson (GWS) - 39.6%
Ryan Abbott (Geel) - 37%
Tom Bellchambers (Ess) - 36.5%
Rory Lobb (GWS) - 36.2%
Aaron Sandilands (Freo) - 35.2%
Max Gawn (Mel) - 34.9%
Nathan Vardy (WCE) - 34.7%
Tom Hickey (StK) - 34.2%
Paddy Ryder (Port) - 32.1%
Brodie Grundy (Col) - 32%
Marc Pittonet (Haw) - 32%
Ben McEvoy (Haw) - 31.8%
Jonathan Ceglar (Haw) - 31.7%
Stefan Martin (Bris) - 31.6%
Oscar McInerney (Bris) - 31.5%
Todd Goldstein (NM) - 30.8%
Billy Longer (StK) - 30.6%
Andrew Phillips (Carl) - 30.2%
Lewis Pierce (StK) - 29.6%
Nic Naitanui (WCE) - 29.4%
Sam Jacobs (Adel) - 28.2%
Rhys Stanley (Geel) - 26.2%
Jordan Roughead (WB) - 25%
Scott Lycett (WCE) - 24.8%
Michael Apeness (Freo) - 24.7%
Callum Sinclair (Syd) - 24.3%
Matthew Kreuzer (Carl) - 24.3%
Jarrod Witts (GC) - 24.2%
Zac Smith (Geel) - 23.2%
Tim English (WB) - 21.9%
Matthew Leuenberger (Ess) - 21.7%
Tom Boyd (WB) - 20.1%
Lachlan Keeffe (GWS) - 16.7%
Matthew Lobbe (Carl) - 16.7%


The takeaways from this little exercise:

• Hitouts to Advantage is one of the most useless stats collected by Champion Data.
• Anyone thinking that Lycett is the answer to the ruck problems at Adelaide or Port is probably kidding themselves.

http://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-p...0vu9P5tF5bC1FxJUxuJWsqI6cGFsIR7AAkr9ObowIT1EA

Vader, mate, your two conclusions are mutually exclusive! You have concluded (1) that the HA stat is useless (correct), but then (2) used it to conclude that Lycett is no good! Illogical: not Vader-like.

 

[CrowBloke]

they just yell Sauce and he squirts it to em .

*groan*
I want to 'like' this, but I can't. I just can't.

 

[ShadeyP]

*groan*
I want to 'like' this, but I can't. I just can't.

Bloody horrendous attempt at humor .

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Hitout to Advantage. Ignoring those who average less than 10 hitouts per game:
Dawson Simpson (GWS) - 39.6%
Ryan Abbott (Geel) - 37%
Tom Bellchambers (Ess) - 36.5%
Rory Lobb (GWS) - 36.2%
Aaron Sandilands (Freo) - 35.2%
Max Gawn (Mel) - 34.9%
Nathan Vardy (WCE) - 34.7%
Tom Hickey (StK) - 34.2%
Paddy Ryder (Port) - 32.1%
Brodie Grundy (Col) - 32%
Marc Pittonet (Haw) - 32%
Ben McEvoy (Haw) - 31.8%
Jonathan Ceglar (Haw) - 31.7%
Stefan Martin (Bris) - 31.6%
Oscar McInerney (Bris) - 31.5%
Todd Goldstein (NM) - 30.8%
Billy Longer (StK) - 30.6%
Andrew Phillips (Carl) - 30.2%
Lewis Pierce (StK) - 29.6%
Nic Naitanui (WCE) - 29.4%
Sam Jacobs (Adel) - 28.2%
Rhys Stanley (Geel) - 26.2%
Jordan Roughead (WB) - 25%
Scott Lycett (WCE) - 24.8%
Michael Apeness (Freo) - 24.7%
Callum Sinclair (Syd) - 24.3%
Matthew Kreuzer (Carl) - 24.3%
Jarrod Witts (GC) - 24.2%
Zac Smith (Geel) - 23.2%
Tim English (WB) - 21.9%
Matthew Leuenberger (Ess) - 21.7%
Tom Boyd (WB) - 20.1%
Lachlan Keeffe (GWS) - 16.7%
Matthew Lobbe (Carl) - 16.7%


The takeaways from this little exercise:

• Hitouts to Advantage is one of the most useless stats collected by Champion Data.
• Anyone thinking that Lycett is the answer to the ruck problems at Adelaide or Port is probably kidding themselves.

http://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-p...0vu9P5tF5bC1FxJUxuJWsqI6cGFsIR7AAkr9ObowIT1EA

Is it the percentage of their hit outs that go to advantage?

Or the percentage of the ruck contests they compete in that result in a hit out to advantage?

 

[CutAboveTheRest]

Good
- After a bit of a scare in the second quarter we are still on track for Pick 8.
- We started the third quarter playing like crap but managed to get back into the game.
- Doedee, Milera, Murphy, Gallucci and Keath will all be best 22 next year.
- Brodie Smith, stunning effort less that 11 months after doing an ACL (now put him on ice for 2019).
- Mrouch, Sloane, Gibbs, JJ, Laird battled hard against the odds.
- Lynchy, much better than last week.

Bad
- Tex, Sauce, Eddie, Greenwood. IMHO they have been crushed by the cumulative effect of injuries and/or a lack of decent pre-season. Cue in Rack time.
- The RAT, seemed to have decided he does not perform if the temperature is below 5 degrees
- CEY, BNM. Thanks for the memories.

Ugly
- We have to tank against the Kangas to maximise our draft possibilities. Losing to Carlton may be a bit too obvious.

Really? Probably been one of our most consistent midfielders, think you're being a bit harsh on him.

 

[Vader]

Is it the percentage of their hit outs that go to advantage?

Or the percentage of the ruck contests they compete in that result in a hit out to advantage?

There are 4 ruck stats available - Hitouts, Hitout Win%, Hitouts to Advantage, Hitouts to Advantage %.

This is how it appears to work:

• Hitouts - Average number of hitouts won, per game.
• Hitout win% - Hitouts won / Hitouts contested * 100 (note that Hitouts contested is not published)
• Hitouts to Advantage - Average number of hitouts which go to advantage, per game
• Hitouts to Advantage% - Hitouts to Advantage / Hitouts * 100

Click on this link, and have a play with the various options under the Advanced section:
http://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-p...6rBYxw6DBi7RKxcHbW+WBrIaOnBY5qdewAJLMkO2mzqIA

The top 4 ruckmen, according to Hitouts Win% (10 hitout per game qualification) are Sandiland, NicNat, Gawn & Grundy. This is a much better reflection of the ruck standings than HotA%.

Jacobs wins 47.7% of his ruck contests, which is 16th best (minimum 10 hitouts per game). Sandilands is the best at 67% (being 10cm taller than everyone else is big advantage). NicNat & Gawn are both above 60%, Grundy is at 55%.

 

[Scorpus]

Is it the percentage of their hit outs that go to advantage?

Or the percentage of the ruck contests they compete in that result in a hit out to advantage?

It's the percentage of hitouts that are to advantage.

The percentage of ruck contests that result in a hitout to advantage looks more like this:

Aaron Sandilands - 23.8%
Max Gawn - 21.6%
Dawson Simpson - 20.3%
Nic Naitanui - 19.0%
Brodie Grundy - 17.7%
Tom Bellchambers - 17.5%
Paddy Ryder - 16.3%
Stefan Martin - 16.2%
Rory Lobb - 15.8%
Ben McEvoy - 15.6%
Todd Goldstein - 15.4%
Tom Hickey - 14.1%
Sean Darcy - 13.5%
Sam Jacobs - 13.4%
Jarrod Witts - 12.5%
Toby Nankervis - 12.1%
Rhys Stanley - 11.7%
Scott Lycett - 11.7%
(Josh Jenkins - 11.3%)
Callum Sinclair - 9.4%
Jordan Roughead - 9.0%

If you were ranking ruckman, you'd probably come up with a list that looks similar to the above

 

[jackster83]

Is there a hitouts straight down the throat of the opposition mids stat? Maybe they should be added to the clanger count.

 

[Vader]

Even the very best ruckmen hit the ball to advantage in less than 25% of their ruck contests.