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Review R6: The Good, Bad and the Ugly vs. GWS Giants

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I dont know who the channel 7 talent scout is for the AFL, but they should have been sacked a long time ago!
It's the age old theory - albeit highly misinformed - from broadcasters that if someone is elite at a sport, people will want to hear commentate on that sport.

How Mark Ricciuto is still commentating games to this day is one of life's great mysteries. He's the human equivalent of nails on a chalkboard. But hey, 8 time All Australian and all of that..
 
It's the age old theory - albeit highly misinformed - from broadcasters that if someone is elite at a sport, people will want to hear commentate on that sport.

How Mark Ricciuto is still commentating games to this day is one of life's great mysteries. He's the human equivalent of nails on a chalkboard. But hey, 8 time All Australian and all of that..
I put him on the same level of Silk and Underwood. All equally painful.
 

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They had a plan to give the players a light run to ensure they were fresh for the Geelong game?
"A light run" is an obvious move that any Coach with half a brain would make. Luckily, we have one.
It's common sense, not Coaching brilliance. Was it enough? I'd say no.

OK, my saying Nicks had "no plan" is excessive. He gave them a light run.
They said that plan in a press conference. Do you want a detailed manifest of what players are doing what work?
No, of course not, and what they say in a Press Conference is usually smoke-and-mirrors blather, anyway.
Nicks especially is adept at speaking for several minutes without saying anything interesting or revealing at all.
If Nicks rotated Peatling, Cumming, Dawson, Hinge and Rankine for say Dowling, Berry, Cook, Pedlar and Jones or something it would have been a disaster and no guarantee we would have won either game (almost guaranteed we get ripped to shreds by GC).
I don't know what the "or something" should be. I'm not an AFL Coach. 5 changes seems as reckless to me as none, but 2 or three (unforced) changes might have been wise.
If losing to the Suns by 4 or 5 goals meant that we beat Geelong 5 days later, I'd take that.

We all know that
--- on GCS Game Day he refused the heat protocols which might have given his players some relief
--- he selected proven dud Murphy who was so (predictably) ineffective that he was dropped after one game.
Would the heat protocols taken with Taylor in the side (instead of Murphy) been enough to jag the win instead of a one-point loss? We'll never know.

I should have said that Nicks could have done more, instead of having no plan, my bad, but 5 years of losing twice as often as we've won has eroded my sense of fairness/sympathy for the Coach responsible for that.
Clearly, I do not have the same level of support for Nicks as you.
Nicks just completely outcoached Kingsley, his plan was perfect for the conditions and the execution from the players was good at the very least.
The defence was poor against Geelong so Nicks adjusts the side/plan to give the defence more help and they defend better
That might have been the only game where Nicks has 'outcoached' any other Coach, if indeed it was Nicks.

Getting Murray back certainly strengthened and stabilised our defence.
Nicks has also gained ANB, Peatling and Cumming (all ready-made best-23 players, developed elsewhere, like Rankine and Dawson) and a strong tactical brain in Davis.

Kingsley did a Chris Scott by packing our F50 with one and sometimes two GWS spares.
Nicks has a proven record of being unable, clueless, to do anything to counter spare defenders who roam our F50 and intercept then clear the ball with ease, game after game. Actually, he did put Pedlar (183cms 84Kgs) onto Stewart (190cms 88Kgs and a proven high mark interceptor) once vs Geelong.
Once, and we all know how that turned out.

I have never seen Nicks do that before (respond to loose men in our F50 with 1 or 2 of our own at Clearances), in fact, he did not do that as recently as the week before, vs the Cats.

I think it's ok to ask, why not? :confusedv1:

Why did Nicks not not move our 1 or 2 free players into and around Clearances vs Geelong, but suddenly he does that a week later vs. Kingsley/GWS?
Either he finally worked something out (after 5 years and 5 games),
OR
it was Davis' idea --- and --- it worked!
To be frank, I don't care if Nicks or Davis came up with the idea, because it worked and we won.

Just like you, I love it when the Crows win :thumbsupv1:.
so that means he is a one dimensional coach who has no flair, imagination or plan who has NFI on game day :drunk:
It's all right if I dislike Nicks' Coaching immensely and if you think he's a good Coach. I don't understand why you do, but I'm not gonna give you shit for it.
 
If Nicks rotated Peatling, Cumming, Dawson, Hinge and Rankine for say Dowling, Berry, Cook, Pedlar and Jones or something it would have been a disaster and no guarantee we would have won either game (almost guaranteed we get ripped to shreds by GC).

:drunk:
I'll use your end emoji for this asshattery

Of course we arent rotating those players - you know it I know it even FAITH knows it

But there were options to be taken in game

Geelong game we play the squad we had but utilise the players - Nankervis to the back flank for a Laird move into the midfield after half time or Dawson to the back flank, Draper in to the midfield , ANB , Cumming , Curtin

Our midfield was out on their feet after 3/4 time and we flogged them even more . This was a game to have a high rotation game - confusing the Geelong midfield plus giving rests to those struggling

Soligo and Dawson were gasping and we asked for more. Draper 1 CBA , ANB and Cumming zero. We have these assets and we pigeonhole them
 
"A light run" is an obvious move that any Coach with half a brain would make. Luckily, we have one.
It's common sense, not Coaching brilliance. Was it enough? I'd say no.

OK, my saying Nicks had "no plan" is excessive. He gave them a light run.

No, of course not, and what they say in a Press Conference is usually smoke-and-mirrors blather, anyway.
Nicks especially is adept at speaking for several minutes without saying anything interesting or revealing at all.

I don't know what the "or something" should be. I'm not an AFL Coach. 5 changes seems as reckless to me as none, but 2 or three (unforced) changes might have been wise.
If losing to the Suns by 4 or 5 goals meant that we beat Geelong 5 days later, I'd take that.

We all know that
--- on GCS Game Day he refused the heat protocols which might have given his players some relief
--- he selected proven dud Murphy who was so (predictably) ineffective that he was dropped after one game.
Would the heat protocols taken with Taylor in the side (instead of Murphy) been enough to jag the win instead of a one-point loss? We'll never know.

I should have said that Nicks could have done more, instead of having no plan, my bad, but 5 years of losing twice as often as we've won has eroded my sense of fairness/sympathy for the Coach responsible for that.
Clearly, I do not have the same level of support for Nicks as you.

That might have been the only game where Nicks has 'outcoached' any other Coach, if indeed it was Nicks.

Getting Murray back certainly strengthened and stabilised our defence.
Nicks has also gained ANB, Peatling and Cumming (all ready-made best-23 players, developed elsewhere, like Rankine and Dawson) and a strong tactical brain in Davis.

Kingsley did a Chris Scott by packing our F50 with one and sometimes two GWS spares.
Nicks has a proven record of being unable, clueless, to do anything to counter spare defenders who roam our F50 and intercept then clear the ball with ease, game after game. Actually, he did put Pedlar (183cms 84Kgs) onto Stewart (190cms 88Kgs and a proven high mark interceptor) once vs Geelong.
Once, and we all know how that turned out.

I have never seen Nicks do that before (respond to loose men in our F50 with 1 or 2 of our own at Clearances), in fact, he did not do that as recently as the week before, vs the Cats.

I think it's ok to ask, why not? :confusedv1:

Why did Nicks not not move our 1 or 2 free players into and around Clearances vs Geelong, but suddenly he does that a week later vs. Kingsley/GWS?
Either he finally worked something out (after 5 years and 5 games),
OR
it was Davis' idea --- and --- it worked!
To be frank, I don't care if Nicks or Davis came up with the idea, because it worked and we won.

Just like you, I love it when the Crows win :thumbsupv1:.

It's all right if I dislike Nicks' Coaching immensely and if you think he's a good Coach. I don't understand why you do, but I'm not gonna give you shit for it.
nobody reads this
 
I've probably missed the discussion, but was Dawson's game worth 8 coaches votes? I thought it was one of his worst.
Everything outside his kicking was outstanding

No idea what's happened to his disposal
 
"A light run" is an obvious move that any Coach with half a brain would make. Luckily, we have one.
It's common sense, not Coaching brilliance. Was it enough? I'd say no.

OK, my saying Nicks had "no plan" is excessive. He gave them a light run.

No, of course not, and what they say in a Press Conference is usually smoke-and-mirrors blather, anyway.
Nicks especially is adept at speaking for several minutes without saying anything interesting or revealing at all.

I don't know what the "or something" should be. I'm not an AFL Coach. 5 changes seems as reckless to me as none, but 2 or three (unforced) changes might have been wise.
If losing to the Suns by 4 or 5 goals meant that we beat Geelong 5 days later, I'd take that.

We all know that
--- on GCS Game Day he refused the heat protocols which might have given his players some relief
--- he selected proven dud Murphy who was so (predictably) ineffective that he was dropped after one game.
Would the heat protocols taken with Taylor in the side (instead of Murphy) been enough to jag the win instead of a one-point loss? We'll never know.

I should have said that Nicks could have done more, instead of having no plan, my bad, but 5 years of losing twice as often as we've won has eroded my sense of fairness/sympathy for the Coach responsible for that.
Clearly, I do not have the same level of support for Nicks as you.

That might have been the only game where Nicks has 'outcoached' any other Coach, if indeed it was Nicks.

Getting Murray back certainly strengthened and stabilised our defence.
Nicks has also gained ANB, Peatling and Cumming (all ready-made best-23 players, developed elsewhere, like Rankine and Dawson) and a strong tactical brain in Davis.

Kingsley did a Chris Scott by packing our F50 with one and sometimes two GWS spares.
Nicks has a proven record of being unable, clueless, to do anything to counter spare defenders who roam our F50 and intercept then clear the ball with ease, game after game. Actually, he did put Pedlar (183cms 84Kgs) onto Stewart (190cms 88Kgs and a proven high mark interceptor) once vs Geelong.
Once, and we all know how that turned out.

I have never seen Nicks do that before (respond to loose men in our F50 with 1 or 2 of our own at Clearances), in fact, he did not do that as recently as the week before, vs the Cats.

I think it's ok to ask, why not? :confusedv1:

Why did Nicks not not move our 1 or 2 free players into and around Clearances vs Geelong, but suddenly he does that a week later vs. Kingsley/GWS?
Either he finally worked something out (after 5 years and 5 games),
OR
it was Davis' idea --- and --- it worked!
To be frank, I don't care if Nicks or Davis came up with the idea, because it worked and we won.

Just like you, I love it when the Crows win :thumbsupv1:.

It's all right if I dislike Nicks' Coaching immensely and if you think he's a good Coach. I don't understand why you do, but I'm not gonna give you shit for it.
At half time Kingsley actually criticised his backs for pushing too far back and not pressing up enough ( released footage on first crack ) so it wasn’t a conscious effort by giants to have 2 guys just sitting back at all
 

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I've probably missed the discussion, but was Dawson's game worth 8 coaches votes? I thought it was one of his worst.

It was a very strong game, but one which was unfortunately punctuated by some absolute shocking disposal errors.

He is also the beneficiary of nobody on the ground playing at their best.
 
It was a very strong game, but one which was unfortunately punctuated by some absolute shocking disposal errors.

He is also the beneficiary of nobody on the ground playing at their best.
usually, every game, Hinge is going to do 1-2 sickening turnovers... he didn't this week hey? maybe he flogged em off to Dawso. love that.
 
I'll use your end emoji for this asshattery

Of course we arent rotating those players - you know it I know it even FAITH knows it

But there were options to be taken in game

Geelong game we play the squad we had but utilise the players - Nankervis to the back flank for a Laird move into the midfield after half time or Dawson to the back flank, Draper in to the midfield , ANB , Cumming , Curtin

Our midfield was out on their feet after 3/4 time and we flogged them even more . This was a game to have a high rotation game - confusing the Geelong midfield plus giving rests to those struggling

Soligo and Dawson were gasping and we asked for more. Draper 1 CBA , ANB and Cumming zero. We have these assets and we pigeonhole them
Why not Worrell to full forward and Peatling to back pocket? That would have confused Geelong too.

Is it a normal strategy to move your best players out of position or leave them on the bench to inject a forward, wing an 11 gamer and 4 gamer in the hopes it will work? I also doubt a few more minutes on the bench for Soligo and Dawson would have moved the needle too much.

This isn't "Still Crowing '98" where Blight just moved Jarman to FF, Smart to CHF and McLeod into the midfield for the instawin.
 
"A light run" is an obvious move that any Coach with half a brain would make. Luckily, we have one.
It's common sense, not Coaching brilliance. Was it enough? I'd say no.

OK, my saying Nicks had "no plan" is excessive. He gave them a light run.

No, of course not, and what they say in a Press Conference is usually smoke-and-mirrors blather, anyway.
Nicks especially is adept at speaking for several minutes without saying anything interesting or revealing at all.

I don't know what the "or something" should be. I'm not an AFL Coach. 5 changes seems as reckless to me as none, but 2 or three (unforced) changes might have been wise.
If losing to the Suns by 4 or 5 goals meant that we beat Geelong 5 days later, I'd take that.

We all know that
--- on GCS Game Day he refused the heat protocols which might have given his players some relief
--- he selected proven dud Murphy who was so (predictably) ineffective that he was dropped after one game.
Would the heat protocols taken with Taylor in the side (instead of Murphy) been enough to jag the win instead of a one-point loss? We'll never know.

I should have said that Nicks could have done more, instead of having no plan, my bad, but 5 years of losing twice as often as we've won has eroded my sense of fairness/sympathy for the Coach responsible for that.
Clearly, I do not have the same level of support for Nicks as you.

That might have been the only game where Nicks has 'outcoached' any other Coach, if indeed it was Nicks.

Getting Murray back certainly strengthened and stabilised our defence.
Nicks has also gained ANB, Peatling and Cumming (all ready-made best-23 players, developed elsewhere, like Rankine and Dawson) and a strong tactical brain in Davis.

Kingsley did a Chris Scott by packing our F50 with one and sometimes two GWS spares.
Nicks has a proven record of being unable, clueless, to do anything to counter spare defenders who roam our F50 and intercept then clear the ball with ease, game after game. Actually, he did put Pedlar (183cms 84Kgs) onto Stewart (190cms 88Kgs and a proven high mark interceptor) once vs Geelong.
Once, and we all know how that turned out.

I have never seen Nicks do that before (respond to loose men in our F50 with 1 or 2 of our own at Clearances), in fact, he did not do that as recently as the week before, vs the Cats.

I think it's ok to ask, why not? :confusedv1:

Why did Nicks not not move our 1 or 2 free players into and around Clearances vs Geelong, but suddenly he does that a week later vs. Kingsley/GWS?
Either he finally worked something out (after 5 years and 5 games),
OR
it was Davis' idea --- and --- it worked!
To be frank, I don't care if Nicks or Davis came up with the idea, because it worked and we won.

Just like you, I love it when the Crows win :thumbsupv1:.

It's all right if I dislike Nicks' Coaching immensely and if you think he's a good Coach. I don't understand why you do, but I'm not gonna give you shit for it.

At least we agree on the Crows winning makes us happy :D

Ill give you shit for hyperbole only. I promise!

To keep it short, Nicks is a good coach, not a great coach. Could he become great? Maybe...We aren't going to stick with him for 13 years with no GF appearance I hope.
 

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Very reasonable reply; appreciated :thumbsupv1: .

At least we agree on the Crows winning makes us happy :D
Definitely! and doubled when the ferals get done; the bigger their loss, the better.
Ill give you shit for hyperbole only. I promise!
OH, that's waaaaay over-the-top whinge gripe moan (<== some hyperbole :sneaky:)

Kidding; it's fair enough :winkv1:.
To keep it short, Nicks is a good coach, not a great coach.
I was gonna ask, on what criteria? Win-loss-draw (41-70-1)? That's a 3.7/10, converted.
Feel-good Kumbaya factor? I'd give him a 9/10 for that.
... Selection?
... Tactical nous?
...?
Then I remembered we're not gonna agree, so I stopped :cool:.

Could he become great? Maybe...We aren't going to stick with him for 13 years with no GF appearance I hope.
:grimacing:
I shudder at the thought.

I got a hypothetical for you --- suppose Nicks got the boot early last year, instead of that extension.
Somehow, we managed to get Buckley or Longmire (or I'd even take Adam Simpson who took WCE to 4 Finals series in 5 years, 2GFs and a Flag).
Then we add Davis this year, Balme, ANB/Peatling/Cumming to "help" the new Coach (as Nicks has been "helped").
Would we better off? I'd say a resounding YES.
Imagine what Longmire (a star forward back in his day) could do with our forward set-up!
Imagine what Buckley could teach our mids!
Alas; we'll never know ... :sadv1: .
 
Everything outside his kicking was outstanding

No idea what's happened to his disposal
I think Dawson gets a little bit of the Brodie Smiths in key moments, which impacts his D.E. Will ask for the short handball that puts his own possession under pressure. And chooses the long kick option when shorter options are open, especially if a 50m+ goal is potentially on.

He's still relatively new to the Midfield, so hopefully he can sharpen that area of his game. Cause his long kick is a thing of beauty, up until the opposition realise its his 1st, 2nd and 3rd option. Then you just hang back and wait for him to kick it straight to you, aka the last 5 years of Brodie Smith.
 
Doesn't Hinge have the equal best disposal retention stats in the entire league? That was discussed on the ESPN podcast a week ago.
just a very wide range on his execution, and the bad ones are very bad (usually not even high risk, high reward) - but he is mostly very, very good. for sure.
 

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