Geelong and Hawthorn record monumentally embarrassing 1300 page shitfight thread. (Part 2)

[Procrastinator35]

i took them to Lorne. did leave the missus behind.

So it wasn't a total loss then.....Those freaking Kookaburras in Lorne are cheeky bastards....They'll nick ya lunch right out of your hands.

 

[Catsnlakers]

mine are in Geelong. We spent Christmas there.

I wanted to neck myself.
The kids looked miserable.
Geelong ruined Christmas.

 

[Catsnlakers]

#thegeeLoLpreVFA3peat

Pre VFA? Please enlighten us upon which competition in the late 1800's we 3peated if it was 'Pre' the VFA days............

 

[William Wonka]

Pre VFA? Please enlighten us upon which competition in the late 1800's we 3peated if it was 'Pre' the VFA days............

It was pre when the VFA had premierships, they were informally awarded by the Addy and the Argus to whichever bunch of coves they found to be the most strapping in their vigour.

 

[crazywildhorse]

Pre VFA? Please enlighten us upon which competition in the late 1800's we 3peated if it was 'Pre' the VFA days............

Refer above

 

[Procrastinator35]

Pre VFA? Please enlighten us upon which competition in the late 1800's we 3peated if it was 'Pre' the VFA days............

Bottom of the barrel....Well & truly scraped.

 

[crazywildhorse]

So I thought I would actually look at the VFA comp, to see what was going on. I randomly googled 1888 VFA season, because it seemed to me as one of the years Geelong won it. What I found may be enlightening for us all, from the article:

For the first time, the senior clubs were formally ranked into a full premiership ladder of the type understood in the modern era. The teams were ranked under a new system designed by Theo Marshall:[4]

• For all senior matches played against other Association clubs, four premiership points were awarded for a win and two for a draw.
• Teams did not play a uniform number of premiership matches during the season. Each team's premiership points were adjusted upwards proportionally to match that of the club which played the most matches during the season – e.g., in this season, South Melbourne played 19 matches and Port Melbourne played 22 matches, the most of any club; so, South Melbourne's tally of premiership points was increased by a factor of 22/19.
• After this adjustment, teams were ranked in order of adjusted points, and the top team was awarded the premiership.
• Teams were required to play at least eighteen senior games to qualify for the premiership.

This system meant that for the first time, the premiership was an official title conferred and endorsed by the Association, replacing the previous approach whereby the premier club was determined by an unofficial consensus but was conventionally understood to be won by the club which suffered the fewest defeats for the season – a system which was flawed because it treated wins and draws as equal in value.[4] The Association also instituted the awarding of a premiership cap – in the Association's navy blue and gold colours – to players of the premiership team.[5]

For the rest of the article (although this is all that is valid for my point):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1888_VFA_season

You don't need to be a genius to figure out how many VFA flags Geelong won when it became legitimised.

#thegeeLoLpreVFA3peat

 

[KardiniaPark]

Quiet day mate...

 

[crazywildhorse]

Quiet day mate...

Just doing my job

 

[William Wonka]

So I thought I would actually look at the VFA comp, to see what was going on. I randomly googled 1888 VFA season, because it seemed to me as one of the years Geelong won it. What I found may be enlightening for us all, from the article:

For the first time, the senior clubs were formally ranked into a full premiership ladder of the type understood in the modern era. The teams were ranked under a new system designed by Theo Marshall:[4]

• For all senior matches played against other Association clubs, four premiership points were awarded for a win and two for a draw.
• Teams did not play a uniform number of premiership matches during the season. Each team's premiership points were adjusted upwards proportionally to match that of the club which played the most matches during the season – e.g., in this season, South Melbourne played 19 matches and Port Melbourne played 22 matches, the most of any club; so, South Melbourne's tally of premiership points was increased by a factor of 22/19.
• After this adjustment, teams were ranked in order of adjusted points, and the top team was awarded the premiership.
• Teams were required to play at least eighteen senior games to qualify for the premiership.

This system meant that for the first time, the premiership was an official title conferred and endorsed by the Association, replacing the previous approach whereby the premier club was determined by an unofficial consensus but was conventionally understood to be won by the club which suffered the fewest defeats for the season – a system which was flawed because it treated wins and draws as equal in value.[4] The Association also instituted the awarding of a premiership cap – in the Association's navy blue and gold colours – to players of the premiership team.[5]

For the rest of the article (although this is all that is valid for my point):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1888_VFA_season

You don't need to be a genius to figure out how many VFA flags Geelong won when it became legitimised.

#thegeeLoLpreVFA3peat

Informal flags awarded under a flawed system by the newspaper for drawing a few games against Ballarat south, Prahran, Williamstown, Studley Park, Northcote and Castlemaine!!!
And they want to compare that to a threepeat in the modern era?

I think its all those decades and decades and decades of waiting before their Dank flag that has twisted our Handbaggers so badly.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Informal flags awarded under a flawed system by the newspaper for drawing a few games against Ballarat south, Prahran, Williamstown, Studley Park, Northcote and Castlemaine!!!
And they want to compare that to a threepeat in the modern era?

I think its all those decades and decades and decades of waiting before their Dank flag that has twisted our Handbaggers so badly.

13-9 seems to get em all bent out of shape well enough of its own accord. Particularly when one considers they've been in the comp a full 29 years longer, since it's inception, when only 8 teams were competing.....While all our flags have been won in a minimum 12 team competition.

13/92 means a premiership every 7 years.
9/121 means a premiership every 13.5 years.

So in essence, we really are twice as good....The numbers don't lie.

 

[crazywildhorse]

13-9 seems to get em all bent out of shape well enough of its own accord. Particularly when one considers they've been in the comp a full 29 years longer, since it's inception, when only 8 teams were competing.....While all our flags have been won in a minimum 12 team competition.

13/92 means a premiership every 7 years.
9/121 means a premiership every 13.5 years.

So in essence, we really are twice as good....The numbers don't lie.

I literally see us as twice as good, now I've got hard stats to back it up.

 

[KardiniaPark]

I literally see us as twice as good, now I've got hard stats to back it up.

Doesn't sound like it's just the stats that are hard.

 

[William Wonka]

So in essence, we really are twice as good....The numbers don't lie.

I literally see us as twice as good, now I've got hard stats to back it up.

Only twice as good? Whats this shit?
Maybe if you go back to the dawn of time...
In the majority of those on this forums lifetime though the story is very different.

If we take the average age of bigfooty posters as Forty years old then its Eleven premierships to 3 with two of them Hawks victories over the Handbaggers !!!

This means that Hawthorn are almost Four times as good as Geelong but lets err on the side of caution and throw these pitiable puddytatts a bone and say only Three times better.

 

[crazywildhorse]

This is a good VFA story, from 1887:

On July 2, a weakened Geelong which was missing eight of its best twenty due to unavailability, suffered one of its two losses for the season; Ballarat Imperial 3.4 defeated Geelong 0.2 at the Eastern Oval in Ballarat.[2] Geelong lodged a protest with the Association that the match should not be counted toward the premiership, contending that the match was arranged informally as part of a country trip, which occurred only because a planned tour of Adelaide was cancelled, that it was not included in the Association fixture at the beginning of the season, that the club had not expected the match to be counted, and that there were some other procedural irregularities with such details and the appointment of umpire. However, the Association had in place a stringent rule in place that any match played on a Saturday between two Association clubs would count to the premiership; and the Geelong's protest was rejected by a large majority of delegates.[3] Had Geelong been successful in having the match discounted from the premiership, ceteris paribus, it and Carlton would each have finished with only one defeat for the season – and a playoff match would likely have been arranged to decide the premiership.[4]

#thegeelolongpreVFA3peat

 

[Lethality]

Not to mention that the VFA also included junior clubs back then. So you basically got to beat up on school kids every so often

 

[Procrastinator35]

Only twice as good? Whats this shit?
Maybe if you go back to the dawn of time...
In the majority of those on this forums lifetime though the story is very different.

If we take the average age of bigfooty posters as Forty years old then its Eleven premierships to 3 with two of them Hawks victories over the Handbaggers !!!

This means that Hawthorn are almost Four times as good as Geelong but lets err on the side of caution and throw these pitiable puddytatts a bone and say only Three times better.

Make it an even 50 years....That way, it's 12-3 & your 4x better thesis, is rock solid.

 

[teddies]

so Geelong's 1800's success means bugger all when you analyse the facts?

who woulda thought

no wonder the AFL laughed at their request to be officially recognised.

 

[Procrastinator35]

so Geelong's 1800's success means bugger all when you analyse the facts?

who woulda thought

No wonder the AFL laughed at their request to be officially recognized.

Along with everyone else.

 

[crazywildhorse]

so Geelong's 1800's success means bugger all when you analyse the facts?

who woulda thought

no wonder the AFL laughed at their request to be officially recognised.

And another LoL of it all is it would still have them behind Carlton and Essendon. All that effort to prove they are just the same old mediocre Pivitonians

Even if you merge Corrio Bay and Geelong football clubs to include their pre-VFA success, you still have them way behind Carlton.

 

[newcs]

So this thread has been given the flick from Bay 13.
As an irishman would say.
"WHALE OIL BEEF HOOKED"

 

[Procrastinator35]

So this thread has been given the flick from Bay 13.
As an irishman would say.
"WHALE OIL BEEF HOOKED"

Yep....Too many Puddy-Tats mashing the button.

 

[William Wonka]

Yep....Too many Puddy-Tats mashing the button.

I don't think they meant to mash- it was all their tears hitting the screen did it accidentally.

 

[RedVest4]

 

[Procrastinator35]

I don't think they meant to mash- it was all their tears hitting the screen did it accidentally.

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