Geelong on the way down?

[arsene wenger1]

interesting to see how they and selwood will go over the coarse of a whole season without there prized father son selection in ablett though. selwood will be heavily tagged. they will still be pretty good but nothing special without him

 

[TheGoatBaron]

If Geelong are on the way down, I hate to see them on the way up.

 

[Dan26]

If the list stays intact, I don't think you can say they'll go down because of becoming stale etc. This group has pretty much proven unlike many other contenders over recent times that they want to keep playing to the best of their abilities which they are certainly doing ATM.

If the list stays intact they definately would start to slump, because every club needs to make changes. If everybody keeps getting a year older, year after year eventually the list gets stale.

Geelong, to their credit, hoping to avoid this, are introducing some good young players, but even the biggest Geelong fan wouldn't dare suggest that these players will replace Geelong's superstar big guns.

Slump doensn't mean missing the finals either. It means eventually not being a premiership contender. I think this will happen to Geelong in either 2011 or 2012. That will still mean a very good and competitve Geelong side, but a side that hovers around that 5th-6th area.

I don't think anyone would disagree with that. That after either 5 or 6 years of being a flag contender, a club then gradually starts to rebuild and rejuvenate again. The only people who would disagre with that are delusional fools who think a particular club will be a flag contender for 7 or 8 consecutive years. Who would dare think that, in such an equalised legaue as the AFL?

You can't beat the system. It gets every team in the end. It's just a matter of when.

 

[Dan26]

Don't worry. Dan26 is still shitty that his "best team in history" only had one flag to show for it.

You were one of the best teams in history in 2007 and you only had one flag to show for it, unless the laws of nature invent a way to win two flags in one year.

Winning it in 2009 (with a weaker team) didn't make your 2007 team better or worse. In fact winning it in 2009 didn't have anything to do with what happened two years earlier

Stop being so insecure. I didn't even talk about my club, because they are irrelevant to anything in this thread.

Idiot. Insecure idiot.

 

[Dale Gribble]

I think Geelong has got a couple more years as they only really started to fire in 2007 so it's only the 4th season.Their time will come like everybody but once Ablett moves away to the Gold Coast the cracks may appear.

 

[aussiechubbs]

When Scarlett retires, Geelong will fall away. Simple as that.

 

[magic_johnson!]

Geelong, to their credit, hoping to avoid this, are introducing some good young players, but even the biggest Geelong fan wouldn't dare suggest that these players will replace Geelong's superstar big guns.

Varcoe the next Gazza

When Scarlett retires, Geelong will fall away. Simple as that.

Seem to have gone OK without him this year
But yeah, i get what you're saying. We need him!

 

[demondavey]

I share the same beliefs as many others on here and in the media. I think that this year the Cats will slip back. I think they will still be top 4 but other teams will make a lot of progress and overtake the Cats. It would be harder this year than any other for them to win the flag.

Probably top 4 this year and then maybe even miss the 8 next year. Signs in 2009 of them dropping off and I think they jagged a lucky flag but this year will not be the powerhouse they once were.

Anyone agree?

You obviously have not been watching your team play, anyone else in the competition, are a drug addict, or know absolutely nothing about football. Sorry mate but thats a dic*head comment

 

[DBAH0]

If the list stays intact they definately would start to slump, because every club needs to make changes. If everybody keeps getting a year older, year after year eventually the list gets stale.

Geelong, to their credit, hoping to avoid this, are introducing some good young players, but even the biggest Geelong fan wouldn't dare suggest that these players will replace Geelong's superstar big guns.

Slump doensn't mean missing the finals either. It means eventually not being a premiership contender. I think this will happen to Geelong in either 2011 or 2012. That will still mean a very good and competitve Geelong side, but a side that hovers around that 5th-6th area.

I don't think anyone would disagree with that. That after either 5 or 6 years of being a flag contender, a club then gradually starts to rebuild and rejuvenate again. The only people who would disagre with that are delusional fools who think a particular club will be a flag contender for 7 or 8 consecutive years. Who would dare think that, in such an equalised legaue as the AFL?

You can't beat the system. It gets every team in the end. It's just a matter of when.

Geelong do a better job than anyone of developing young players and working with that they have (average draft picks). Their record over the past 10 years proves that.

Already this season you've seen Duncan debut and look like he'll become a very good player. Our 1st pick in Menzel has done very well at VFL this season, and is the type of utility player they love, a tallish type of player in the Enright / Corey mould who uses the ball very well (he had the best numbers in the kicking drills at the draft camp).

My point is, because of our record over the years at developing young players who weren't extremely early picks, I think we've got a much better shot than say what Brisbane had at staying around that top 4 area. Obviously if Ablett goes that would hurt that scenario a lot, but then again if they could end up with either Dangerfield or Boak (a pipe dream) that would definitely soften the blow.

And if Geelong can keep their midfield in tact, that alone should allow for them to stay up in the top 4 - 6 in the years to come. Selwood, Bartel, Kelly etc. all have a lot of football ahead of them.

 

[360noscope]

How can you say Geelong are on the way down?

They beat us pretty easily, the only reason we were close is probably because they were playing at 90% which is more than enough to put away most teams without risking tiredness.

They thrashed Essendon, who I actually tipped to win, in one of the most balanced performaces I have seen in five or so years.

If Geelong are on the way down it is only because they are conserving thier energy in order to hit the finals at full tilt.

 

[Art Corvelay]

They are probably playing the best football they have in the last 4 years.

Agreed; definitely playing better then last year where they looked a little ordinary at stages. When I say a little ordinary; they just looked to be running through the motions and doing just enough in 15mins to ensure a victory. Seem to be a bit more ruthless again this year.

Scarily talented team, and I echo Crawf's assesment on The Sunday Footy Show - go and watch them. I went Saturday night and have a couple of more games coming up whilst Pies are interstate/break - just a phenomenal team. Jealous

 

[LifeSpan-Void]

Reposting from Geelong board since it is an interesting stat, that Geelong have accumulated a higher aggregate this season than the previous three.
After 12 rounds:

2007 1358 points
2008 1326
2009 1387
2010 1495

The difference is essentially Podsiadly, who has contributed 179 points to the total so far.

 

[magic_johnson!]

Reposting from Geelong board since it is an interesting stat, that Geelong have accumulated a higher aggregate this season than the previous three.
After 12 rounds:

2007 1358 points
2008 1326
2009 1387
2010 1495

The difference is essentially Podsiadly, who has contributed 179 points to the total so far.

Our defensive stats havn't had this much improvment though have they? Natural as or defense is the area that's really aging.

 

[witsend]

Our defensive stats havn't had this much improvment though have they? Natural as or defense is the area that's really aging.

We currently have the best attack by far, and the 3rd best defense, behind St Kilda and Bulldogs. I expect that we will end up best in both categories. But the stat I like the most is Quarters Won. It's pretty much the one I watch the most, as it shows consistency. Some teams can win games with 1 quarter and have the ladder flatter their actual form.
We are currently on 37 out of 48, but frighteningly have won 23 out of the last 24 quarters, dropping 1 against the Eagles, when they were awarded a mark that was arguably OOB on the full with about 10 seconds to go in their forward pocket.
The next best, interestingly is Carlton on 30, which should be encouraging for them.
St Kilda, worryingly, are on 27. They have been courageous for sure but very patchy, and are clearly beatable for significant chunks of games.

 

[LifeSpan-Void]

Our defensive stats havn't had this much improvment though have they? Natural as or defense is the area that's really aging.

defensive stats to round 12

2007 874
2008 1004
2009 920
2010 962

So there's no real difference in the last 3 seasons, 2007 was a fair bit tighter - whether that was because of Egan's presence is difficult to say, but in 2008 the defence was more leaky given the inexperience of Taylor and that bad loss to Collingwood (134 points against).

 

[thrillhouse]

Scary that they smashed Essendon minus Hawkins, Rookey, Corey, Ottens and Scarlett.

And Mooney

 

[thrillhouse]

Geelong do a better job than anyone of developing young players and working with that they have (average draft picks). Their record over the past 10 years proves that.

Already this season you've seen Duncan debut and look like he'll become a very good player. Our 1st pick in Menzel has done very well at VFL this season, and is the type of utility player they love, a tallish type of player in the Enright / Corey mould who uses the ball very well (he had the best numbers in the kicking drills at the draft camp).

My point is, because of our record over the years at developing young players who weren't extremely early picks, I think we've got a much better shot than say what Brisbane had at staying around that top 4 area. Obviously if Ablett goes that would hurt that scenario a lot, but then again if they could end up with either Dangerfield or Boak (a pipe dream) that would definitely soften the blow.

And if Geelong can keep their midfield in tact, that alone should allow for them to stay up in the top 4 - 6 in the years to come. Selwood, Bartel, Kelly etc. all have a lot of football ahead of them.

True. What do Moloney, Prismall, Carazzo, Mumford all have in common?

 

[Rimmer]

Cats slipping back?

From 15 goals better than any other team to 10 goals better than any other team? That must be what you meant ...

The Cats are stronger this year than in the past 3 years imo

 

[JoondalupJ]

I share the same beliefs as many others on here and in the media. I think that this year the Cats will slip back. I think they will still be top 4 but other teams will make a lot of progress and overtake the Cats. It would be harder this year than any other for them to win the flag.

Probably top 4 this year and then maybe even miss the 8 next year. Signs in 2009 of them dropping off and I think they jagged a lucky flag but this year will not be the powerhouse they once were.

Anyone agree?

I don't think anyone can beat your team this year. Even the Hawks who do have a little pschylogical thing over the Cats sometimes when the Hawks are "on" But our fellas are not up and going anywhere near the heights needed to beat Geelong.
They remind me of invincible Hawthorn 88/89. Just about unbeatable even if you nearly kill half the players.
The Cats are in another level and I mean over the main contenders ,Saints, Collwd, Dogs.
Freo is a year early and they won't do a 2008 either, not against your mob.

 

[DBAH0]

True. What do Moloney, Prismall, Carazzo, Mumford all have in common?

All been developed by us before moving on for various reasons, whether it's lack of an opportunity or for financial reasons.

And I have high hopes for the draftees we got in the last draft. Getting Menzel, Duncan, Christensen and Vardy for picks in the top 42, most people who followed the draft at the time thought that was pretty good value. I think the first 3 at least will become 50 game players for the club going forward (based on what they've shown in the AFL for Duncan and the VFL for the other 2 this season).

 

[LifeSpan-Void]

And I once won 5 games of backyard cricket in a row against my brother.

That measures up against Geelong's achievements about as closely as your 4 flags in a tinpot amateur suburban league does.

Collingwood won their flags back in the days when talented players could be lured into playing for Collingwood for an extra thruppence a week and a meat tray from doug the friendly butcher (under the table of course). The league was a farce basically. Shame Eddie and Mick can't actually get anyone good to come and play for them these days.

 

[re cat]

I haven't heard anyone in the media of late saying Cats are finished and will slip back.

So you missed Matthew Lloyd

 

[Partridge]

I'm not surprised how many BF morons took the thread seriously.

But I am surprised how few Geelong supporters have pulled you up, OP.

This thread shows shocking hubris. Quite unGeelong-like, actually.

This time in 2001 my Essendon mates were boasting about a 5 year premiership era that was stretching out before them.

Things can change fast. Ask Hawthorn.

Save your bragging until (IF!!!) your team is holding the 2010 Premiership cup.

Trust me, most Geelong fans know this very well. Don't mistake silence for agreement. Some of us spend a lot of time trying in vain to calm the more excitable elements down on our own board, there's only so much time you can waste doing this.

As far as I'm concerned nothing is certain. Very happy to be well positioned at the moment, but anything can happen, which gets proven year after year after year. For now I'm looking at St.Kilda in a fortnight, and haven't remotely considered what may happen after that.

Long way to go.

 

[Lockyer24]

The main thing is the AFL still turns a blind eye to evidence they have received benefits beyond the cap

And they still get double the free kicks every week (check the stats, it’s laughable)

So they should be fine

 

[PenfoldsFan]

I would hope they are.

Despite the Cats loss, the Umps deserve something for trying to get them over the line.