Geelong rorting the system

[Purple Suit]

Before my time but damn given that all current teams base their game plan on the style Geelong of the 70s pioneered, that means the entire league is full of ‘handbaggers’. lol

Wow, now the whole AFL have just copied Geelong. Stop believing your team song and hoarding all the tickets on yourself.

 

[randyzany]

Wow, now the whole AFL have just copied Geelong. Stop believing your team song and hoarding all the tickets on yourself.

Difficult to ascertain tone from written words, but they were meant mostly tongue-in-cheek. Mostly. ;-)

On a serious note hard to deny though that Geelong are the fathers of modern day football and pilloried for it at the time.

 

[captain bloodsport]

Come again?

I wasn’t calling anyone gay. Just wondering why one homophobic usage has been more or less gradually phased out and deemed offensive. The example I gave was calling someone or something gay as in insult to mean ‘lame’, something that was fairly common in the 90s and 2000s.

Whereas ‘handbagger’, a term that from what I've read originated in the 60s, if not even earlier, to demean a male by alluding to him being a homosexual and therefore not a ‘real’ man, remains at least in the footy vernacular.

Why are you so interested if Don Scott was gay?

 

[Purple Suit]

Difficult to ascertain tone from written words, but they were meant mostly tongue-in-cheek. Mostly. ;-)

On a serious note hard to deny though that Geelong are the fathers of modern day football and pilloried for it at the time.

The game has evolved over the past 150 years. A lot of players, coaches, teams and administrators have influenced this evolution. Claiming your one link in the chain is more important than others isn’t how evolution or even chains work.

Gerard Neesham had Freo playing modern possession footy in 1995 before it was a thing too but you don’t see anyone claiming it should get special consideration in footy folk law. But I suppose Freo doesn’t want to include 1800 flags from other comps either.

 

[blackey]

They take the PI55 paying no rent while the get a 150 mill tax payer upgrade on a stadium that hosts 9 footy games an a cancelled t20.
No other events.
The non Geelong supporting tax/rate payers are getting F**ked Up The A55 big time

 

[STPer18]

What ever happened to that Morris Finance faux-outrage? The AFL tried to appease the keyboard warriors and then our fearless leaders at AFL house and all the opposition fans who feigned anger went completely limp almost immediately, meanwhile Great Scott is still on the Morris books. Not even a follow-up on the 'investigation' status.

Geelong won - again.

 

[PhatBoy]

They take the PI55 paying no rent while the get a 150 mill tax payer upgrade on a stadium that hosts 9 footy games an a cancelled t20.
No other events.
The non Geelong supporting tax/rate payers are getting F**ked Up The A55 big time

It must be hard playing at the Melbourne Cricket Ground. I hope you guys can get through it

 

[PhatBoy]

"Louie handed the Cats that title through their ‘pretty boy’ ways. Think a young Sam Newman, the handball-style that would see them now as revolutionaries or not implementing a game plan through fear of being physically hurt by other men"

Sam Newman rarely avoided physicality. In fact, there's a game early on in his career when St Kilda's Carl Ditterich tried his best to bully to him into submission only to come to the realization Sam was a bit of a narcissist and ended up turning the tables on big Carl who was often beaten mentally when it came to the physical side of their one-on-one duels.

Sam Newman is a bit underrated due to his celebrity profile and television work. In his day, was one of the best ruckman of his generation. One of only a few who would be perfect in today's era as he could play multiple positions and ran all day.

There is a part of me, though I don’t really buy into any of the macho crap that goes on in the game at times and use of terms like handbaggers etc is an example of that, that wishes that maybe one of our flags - or a future one - was built on physicality rather than just being a skill-based team.


We had plenty of tough nuts don’t get me wrong and we were a team that I don’t think could ever ‘be bullied’ as such - we were tough enough to cope with it, we had our handful of hard nuts to cop it and in a few cases give it back, and eventually we would back ourselves to try and win based on game plan and skill.

But I don’t think we were ever ‘the bullies’ as it were.

There are times when we maybe aren’t playing our best footy or there have been finals series where I haven’t felt like we’ve been the best team in it but I’ve just thought ‘why not just have a go at trying to go out and just bust them up.’

Equally though I know you don’t just assemble 22 guys that can do that overnight and sides like Brisbane and Hawthorn got to that point over a long period of time

 

[captain bloodsport]

There is a part of me, though I don’t really buy into any of the macho crap that goes on in the game at times and use of terms like handbaggers etc is an example of that, that wishes that maybe one of our flags - or a future one - was built on physicality rather than just being a skill-based team.


We had plenty of tough nuts don’t get me wrong and we were a team that I don’t think could ever ‘be bullied’ as such - we were tough enough to cope with it, we had our handful of hard nuts to cop it and in a few cases give it back, and eventually we would back ourselves to try and win based on game plan and skill.

But I don’t think we were ever ‘the bullies’ as it were.

There are times when we maybe aren’t playing our best footy or there have been finals series where I haven’t felt like we’ve been the best team in it but I’ve just thought ‘why not just have a go at trying to go out and just bust them up.’

Equally though I know you don’t just assemble 22 guys that can do that overnight and sides like Brisbane and Hawthorn got to that point over a long period of time

 

[PhatBoy]

Good one

 

[Cyclops]

"Louie handed the Cats that title through their ‘pretty boy’ ways. Think a young Sam Newman, the handball-style that would see them now as revolutionaries or not implementing a game plan through fear of being physically hurt by other men"

Sam Newman rarely avoided physicality. In fact, there's a game early on in his career when St Kilda's Carl Ditterich tried his best to bully to him into submission only to come to the realization Sam was a bit of a narcissist and ended up turning the tables on big Carl who was often beaten mentally when it came to the physical side of their one-on-one duels.

Sam Newman is a bit underrated due to his celebrity profile and television work. In his day, was one of the best ruckman of his generation. One of only a few who would be perfect in today's era as he could play multiple positions and ran all day.

Yes Lou Richards probably coined the term, it's a homophobic slur "it was a different time" now it's just embarrassing.

Geelong recruited Polly Farmer, a genius and possible GOAT, who dominated the ruck and used aggressive forward handball in a way that stunned the VFL.

Sam Newman was his apprentice, a little bit like Jonathon Brown (not in the way he played, he was an orthodox prop and cop ruck) but he showed incredible promise, but only delivered briefly before injury crippled him. Still played 300 good games, but one of the great coodabeens in that people thought he was going to be Len Thompson/Gary Dempsey. Shit bloke but a skilled and brilliant player.

When Polly went back to WA Geelong actually reverted to conservative prop and cop footy and choked in finals on the few occasions they made it.

So IMO "handbagger" is a silly slur, based on jealously of a God tier ruck, and became an easy jibe at a middling club in an extended slump. It wasn't funny then and it's jlirrelevant and just stupid now.

 

[Freddy Swift]

What ever happened to that Morris Finance faux-outrage? The AFL tried to appease the keyboard warriors and then our fearless leaders at AFL house and all the opposition fans who feigned anger went completely limp almost immediately, meanwhile Great Scott is still on the Morris books. Not even a follow-up on the 'investigation' status.

Geelong won - again.

No doubt it’s been swept under the same rug as the Stengle incident.


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[PhatBoy]

No doubt it’s been swept under the same rug as the Stengle incident.


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An yes. The one that Tiger fans refer to as ‘the overdose.’
Because when you overdose you go to training the next day.

 

[captain bloodsport]

An yes. The one that Tiger fans refer to as ‘the overdose.’
Because when you overdose you go to training the next day.

Lol he was found unconscious, rushed to hospital in a serious condition

 

[Rich01]

An yes. The one that Tiger fans refer to as ‘the overdose.’
Because when you overdose you go to training the next day.

Well it’s not like he’s ever had a known drug history before that…

 

[PhatBoy]

Lol he was found unconscious, rushed to hospital in a serious condition

He was passed out in a pub. There could be any number of explanations for it. It’s been unanimously decided upon that he ‘Overdosed’ by the Punt Road medical staff.

 

[PhatBoy]

Well it’s not like he’s ever had a known drug history before that…

He’s also a known heavy drinker at times.

Ive tried an illicit substance before; the last time I was taken in an ambulance after being at a licensed venue it was because I was full of piss and unresponsive in a hotel room because I drank too much.

 

[Rich01]

He’s also a known heavy drinker at times.

Ive tried an illicit substance before; the last time I was taken in an ambulance after being at a licensed venue it was because I was full of piss and unresponsive in a hotel room because I drank too much.

So he’s a heavy drinker and a known drug user? Ok.

On a more serious note, hope you are looking after yourself a bit better these days Phat.

 

[PhatBoy]

So he’s a heavy drinker and a known drug user? Ok.

On a more serious note, hope you are looking after yourself a bit better these days Phat.

Thank you mate I am. I have epilepsy and the mix of too much drinking and that condition didn’t go well together so it’s far more moderate now.

My point being that the fact that he’s done gear before doesn’t mean that any incident where he finds himself in an ambulance means he got there because he did gear.
I can’t imagine that someone who has ODd is going to be discharged and show up to footy training a day later. Someone who has had too much to drink and passed out and been initially unresponsive on the other hand seems a far more likely possibility.

Stupid behaviour and I’m surprised and probably a bit disappointed the club didn’t stand him down for a week but I would be incredibly stunned if he, as has been suggested ‘overdosed.’

 

[captain bloodsport]

Thank you mate I am. I have epilepsy and the mix of too much drinking and that condition didn’t go well together so it’s far more moderate now.

My point being that the fact that he’s done gear before doesn’t mean that any incident where he finds himself in an ambulance means he got there because he did gear.
I can’t imagine that someone who has ODd is going to be discharged and show up to footy training a day later. Someone who has had too much to drink and passed out and been initially unresponsive on the other hand seems a far more likely possibility.

Stupid behaviour and I’m surprised and probably a bit disappointed the club didn’t stand him down for a week but I would be incredibly stunned if he, as has been suggested ‘overdosed.’

If your friends are carrying you out of a nightclub concerned and your getting rushed to hospital, it sounds like an od.

I'm sorry you have epilepsy, take care

 

[PhatBoy]

If your friends are carrying you out of a nightclub concerned and your getting rushed to hospital, it sounds like an od.

I'm sorry you have epilepsy, take care

Thank you, it’s a pain and has made life hard with driving etc but it’s manageable

If you are unresponsive it means you’re passed out one way or the other: something in your system means you’re unconscious (or you’ve been belted but that obviously didn’t happen).

So an ambulance gets called.


Once that ambulance gets called that’s the end of it. It’s an emergency and unless you wake up on the spot and show you are fine, you are going to hospital and dealt with as an emergency.

So yes there is a possibility - no denying it - that he took drugs. However there are two things that are worth noting. One, simply dismissing it off-handedly as ‘he overdosed’ is absolutely stupid because no one has any evidence whatsoever that he did this, and two, as we know he was back at training a day later. I would have thought that suggests he drunk himself into a stupor.

 

[captain bloodsport]

Thank you, it’s a pain and has made life hard with driving etc but it’s manageable

If you are unresponsive it means you’re passed out one way or the other: something in your system means you’re unconscious (or you’ve been belted but that obviously didn’t happen).

So an ambulance gets called.


Once that ambulance gets called that’s the end of it. It’s an emergency and unless you wake up on the spot and show you are fine, you are going to hospital and dealt with as an emergency.

So yes there is a possibility - no denying it - that he took drugs. However there are two things that are worth noting. One, simply dismissing it off-handedly as ‘he overdosed’ is absolutely stupid because no one has any evidence whatsoever that he did this, and two, as we know he was back at training a day later. I would have thought that suggests he drunk himself into a stupor.

I've had a friend had a very dangerous situation happen while driving with epilepsy. Very scary.

Everything you say is true, he might not of over dosed. The sceptic in me says otherwise.

He wasn't back in full training on the Monday, he was doing some light running that's what was reported.

 

[Freddy Swift]

An yes. The one that Tiger fans refer to as ‘the overdose.’
Because when you overdose you go to training the next day.

With all due respect, I didn’t say anything about drugs or overdosing, I just said ‘incident’. I doubt it’s only Tiger fans who think it may have been drug related either. As far as I’m aware, no details of what actually occurred have been forthcoming, which leaves people to draw their own conclusions.
Hence, my comment about it being swept under a rug. The AFL are good at that, say nothing, admit nothing and hope it all goes away.

P.S Also hoping your health problems are well under control. All the best.


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[PhatBoy]

With all due respect, I didn’t say anything about drugs or overdosing, I just said ‘incident’. I doubt it’s only Tiger fans who think it may have been drug related either. As far as I’m aware, no details of what actually occurred have been forthcoming, which leaves people to draw their own conclusions.
Hence, my comment about it being swept under a rug. The AFL are good at that, say nothing, admit nothing and hope it all goes away.

P.S Also hoping your health problems are well under control. All the best.


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No I understand that. I’m sorry it wasn’t directed personally at you as such. I always have a giggle at the more extreme end of the Tiger supporter spectrum who simply refer to it as ‘the Stengle Overdose’ that’s all.

And thank you mate, 12 months seizure free this month so for the time being I’m good, tends to come and go.

 

[PhatBoy]

I've had a friend had a very dangerous situation happen while driving with epilepsy. Very scary.

Everything you say is true, he might not of over dosed. The sceptic in me says otherwise.

He wasn't back in full training on the Monday, he was doing some light running that's what was reported.

It’s actually that part - the light training - which makes me think he got too full of piss. If he ODd, I don’t think there’s any way they would put him near a paddock. Either way they elected not to discipline him which as I said I’m a bit disappointed in, but I don’t think under any duty of care they could have put him on a training paddock if that had happened whereas something like drinking himself to that point they could go ‘well you did something stupid, we recognise you went to hospital so we can’t make you run it off with a full session but you’re well enough to be out here.’

And yep it’s bloody frightening I know of someone similar who crashed while having an absent seizure (the ones where you’re still kind of conscious but totally unaware of what’s going on around you) and when he came to he’d been through a roundabout and swiped two parked cars and somehow not hurt himself or his passenger. Really lucky