Geelong rorting the system

[PhatBoy]

This is easily my favourite thread on BigFooty. The desperation is very funny.
However, I’d like to hear more about the Stewart/Prestia incident, father /sons and non circular playing surface.
Lift your game.

AA jerseys ftw

 

[Partridge]

"Louie handed the Cats that title through their ‘pretty boy’ ways. Think a young Sam Newman, the handball-style that would see them now as revolutionaries or not implementing a game plan through fear of being physically hurt by other men"

Sam Newman rarely avoided physicality. In fact, there's a game early on in his career when St Kilda's Carl Ditterich tried his best to bully to him into submission only to come to the realization Sam was a bit of a narcissist and ended up turning the tables on big Carl who was often beaten mentally when it came to the physical side of their one-on-one duels.

Sam Newman is a bit underrated due to his celebrity profile and television work. In his day, was one of the best ruckman of his generation. One of only a few who would be perfect in today's era as he could play multiple positions and ran all day.

My dad was pretty good mates with Doug Wade. He said Newman was the bravest player he ever knew, to come back from that kidney injury and still play for another 13 seasons. In that era especially.

 

[Partridge]

There is a part of me, though I don’t really buy into any of the macho crap that goes on in the game at times and use of terms like handbaggers etc is an example of that, that wishes that maybe one of our flags - or a future one - was built on physicality rather than just being a skill-based team.


We had plenty of tough nuts don’t get me wrong and we were a team that I don’t think could ever ‘be bullied’ as such - we were tough enough to cope with it, we had our handful of hard nuts to cop it and in a few cases give it back, and eventually we would back ourselves to try and win based on game plan and skill.

But I don’t think we were ever ‘the bullies’ as it were.

There are times when we maybe aren’t playing our best footy or there have been finals series where I haven’t felt like we’ve been the best team in it but I’ve just thought ‘why not just have a go at trying to go out and just bust them up.’

Equally though I know you don’t just assemble 22 guys that can do that overnight and sides like Brisbane and Hawthorn got to that point over a long period of time

We were for a while in 2008-2009. I remember a game against Carlton in 2008 when Tim Lane was sooking openly during the broadcast about a few tackles and slams Geelong players handed out. From memory a very young Shane Edwards got smashed by us around the same time too.

Of course, it wasn't mentioned that players like Joel Corey and Darren Milburn got busted collarbones against Brisbane earlier in their careers in the same way. Not entirely sure they would've felt too bad about being able to dish some out.

 

[Partridge]

He was never a ‘Cat’. He didn’t immerse himself in the club and was nothing but a list clogger. A terrible decision to recruit him

He still was though. He got shoved into the senior team - unfit and overweight - and put in the worst debut of a name player I have ever seen. Still managed to get rewarded with another 8 games after that one.

All footy clubs do absolutely everything far better than they used to. But it just shows they're still capable of monumental stuff ups. Recruiting that overweight and washed up potato was one of ours. And it was defended the entire time he was there.

 

[PhatBoy]

He still was though. He got shoved into the senior team - unfit and overweight - and put in the worst debut of a name player I have ever seen. Still managed to get rewarded with another 8 games after that one.

All footy clubs do absolutely everything far better than they used to. But it just shows they're still capable of monumental stuff ups. Recruiting that overweight and washed up potato was one of ours. And it was defended the entire time he was there.

We won 7 of the 9 games he played, his numbers in the other 8 games he played weren’t abysmal, it was a gamble that didn’t work, it didnt cost much (pick 58 and probably the best pick from there or later at that draft was Michael Frederick. Big deal), who cares.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Finished 3rd on the ladder.
1 kick away from a Grand Final.

Gifted Richmond TWICE, North Melbourne and Essendon in the final 8 weeks of the season.

Didn't expect anything less.

 

[spenze]

I don't believe the rumours on this. After Dangerfield went there were plenty of rumours on the Adelaide board about family members getting highly paid, menial jobs with club sponsors but it just seems really convenient to play on an established belief.

When I look at Geelong and sure they have traded in a handful of bonafide stars in the last 10 or so years but my thoughts are it has much more to do with the talent spotting and development of guys picked 7-23 in the team each week added to a really good coach for their success.

If Geelong had have traded in all the players they were associated with this year, then sure fine, an off season pick up of Smith, Clarry and Trac would be a little harder to defend but just Smith...

 

[STPer18]

This took about 10 seconds to look up so let's see if this passes the rort test.

As a top 4 team we should be playing double-ups against:

• Three top six clubs
  • Premiers (Brisbane)
  • Prelim-finalists (Port)
  • Semi-finalists (GWS)
• Two middle six clubs
  • 11th (Essendon)
  • 12th (St Kilda)
• One bottom six club
  • 18th (Richmond)

A quick glance tells me Geelong and Sydney's draw is effectively equal despite them playing off in the GF, and of course the fact Geelong only get the 10 home games, but otherwise not a lot of difference in regards to opponents based on 2024 form.

 

[aCunningPlan]

Getting three of our double ups against top six sides, our neutral gather round game against Adelaide, and away to Brisbane, Port, GWS and Sydney among others... it's not exactly a soft draw.
We don't even get our typical final round soft game at GMHBA, instead its a soft game at the G!
In all honesty though it's a fair draw for a top four side.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Finished 3rd on the ladder.
1 kick away from a Grand Final.

Gifted Richmond TWICE, North Melbourne and Essendon in the final 8 weeks of the season.

Didn't expect anything less.

That just means that the first 16 rounds are harder than other clubs who are playing North and Essendon.

Could spin that we end with both a PF and GF participant in the last 4 weeks.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

This took about 10 seconds to look up so let's see if this passes the rort test.

As a top 4 team we should be playing double-ups against:

• Three top six clubs
  • Premiers (Brisbane)
  • Prelim-finalists (Port)
  • Semi-finalists (GWS)
• Two middle six clubs
  • 11th (Essendon)
  • 12th (St Kilda)
• One bottom six club
  • 18th (Richmond)

A quick glance tells me Geelong and Sydney's draw is effectively equal despite them playing off in the GF, and of course the fact Geelong only get the 10 home games, but otherwise not a lot of difference in regards to opponents based on 2024 form.

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Cats according to current flag odds have an easier draw than AFL average. Yet again. After finishing top 4 where you are supposed to get a draw biased against you rather than for you.

Chris Scott gets whatever draw he wants, just gets told to make it spinnable to fool the public.

 

[Gavin Excell]

This took about 10 seconds to look up so let's see if this passes the rort test.

As a top 4 team we should be playing double-ups against:

• Three top six clubs
  • Premiers (Brisbane)
  • Prelim-finalists (Port)
  • Semi-finalists (GWS)
• Two middle six clubs
  • 11th (Essendon)
  • 12th (St Kilda)
• One bottom six club
  • 18th (Richmond)

A quick glance tells me Geelong and Sydney's draw is effectively equal despite them playing off in the GF, and of course the fact Geelong only get the 10 home games, but otherwise not a lot of difference in regards to opponents based on 2024 form.

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No no no
Meteoric is right

 

[STPer18]

Cats according to current flag odds have an easier draw than AFL average. Yet again. After finishing top 4 where you are supposed to get a draw biased against you rather than for you.

Chris Scott gets whatever draw he wants, just gets told to make it spinnable to fool the public.

We got a top 4 calibre draw, scroll up and have another read. We can break it down more if you like but the jist of it is we are one of only four clubs to have the dreaded 3-2-1 split of double ups against teams of each respective bracket.

Someone has to get the historically bad Richmond twice, but it's hardly Geelong's fault that Richmond botched their list to such a disastrous level, unless of course you attribute them publically stating yet disastrously failing to emulate Geelong's strategy to Geelong, which is a tad harsh.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Lol Cats fans queue up across multiple threads to defend their club's annual right to get a below average difficulty draw dressed up as a difficult draw by reference to last years finishing positions.

Amazing how they just happen to get teams in their double up draw who are just coincidentally expected to go backwards in the current year. Almost like they get to choose.

 

[STPer18]

Amazing how they just happen to get teams in their double up draw who are just coincidentally expected to go backwards in the current year. Almost like they get to choose.

Who's expected to go backwards? From the top tier there's premiers Brisbane, Port or GWS. Middle tier is always a crapshoot and we've got Essendon and St. Kilda who both underperformed in 2024. I know you're not referring to Richmond though because they can't possibly go backwards from where they finished up.

 

[PhatBoy]

Finished 3rd on the ladder.
1 kick away from a Grand Final.

Gifted Richmond TWICE, North Melbourne and Essendon in the final 8 weeks of the season.

Didn't expect anything less.

What’s Essendon got to do with it? They were entrenched in the 8 for most of last season.

I will never understand what the timing of these games matters.

Even the coach of the eventual premiers himself pointed to the fact that we got a very easy win over the Eagles shortly before we played Brisbane.

So is he wrong and you’re right?

Does this help us or not?

Are the four points we get at the end of the season worth double or something?

F**k me dead I’ve never ever come across a demographic of more spineless gimps than what you will find in a bucket of AFL fans with nothing meaningful to discuss.

 

[PhatBoy]

Lol Cats fans queue up across multiple threads to defend their club's annual right to get a below average difficulty draw dressed up as a difficult draw by reference to last years finishing positions.

Amazing how they just happen to get teams in their double up draw who are just coincidentally expected to go backwards in the current year. Almost like they get to choose.

As opposed to you queuing up to piss your pants across every thread you post in to make excuses about things that haven’t even happened yet because you have as much backbone as a jellyfish and despite having something like six decades to learn to accept results on a sporting field that may or may not have taken place yet, you still haven’t developed the primary school level coping mechanisms to do it yet

 

[FreddyTwoShoes]

Yay! After a short lull, this thread is delivering again, albeit with a different thing to whinge about.

Please don’t forget the staples: stand-rule, father/sons, having a home ground, real-estate, Jack Bowes

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Jack Bowes

Age

27

Ht

189cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

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Career

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Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.9

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T

2.5

4star

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318.1

4star

D

18.0

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11.8

5star

HB

6.3

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

318.1

4star

D

11.6

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.4

4star

, Bailey smith

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Bailey Smith

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

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18.3

5star

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8.5

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2.3

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3.8

5star

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2.7

4star

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19.8

5star

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9.6

4star

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10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

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3.2

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14.8

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7.6

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2.0

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3.4

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1.6

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, what am I forgetting?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

As opposed to you queuing up to piss your pants across every thread you post in to make excuses about things that haven’t even happened yet because you have as much backbone as a jellyfish and despite having something like six decades to learn to accept results on a sporting field that may or may not have taken place yet, you still haven’t developed the primary school level coping mechanisms to do it yet

How unusual. A Cats fan attempts to defend the indefensible with the incomprehensible.

Oh, it is PhatBoy. Makes sense now.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Yay! After a short lull, this thread is delivering again, albeit with a different thing to whinge about.

Please don’t forget the staples: stand-rule, father/sons, having a home ground, real-estate, Jack Bowes, Bailey smith, what am I forgetting?

Weapon/Dank
Conflict of interest gate
Cheat Ground
Good bloke discount for ko'ing a player way out of the play in concussion era
Danger/Hawkins nothing to see here when they almost killed players who were playing the ball
nobody can remember Geelong ever getting any sort of unfair treatment from AFL decision makers.

That should keep you happy for a while.

 

[PhatBoy]

How unusual. A Cats fan attempts to defend the indefensible with the incomprehensible.

Oh, it is PhatBoy. Makes sense now.

Indefensible? What is, a team being drawn to draw a team? Oh yeah, it’s criminal.

Good thing your team showed more guts than you’ve got or you’d still be waiting on some success.

 

[STPer18]

The funniest thing is every team we've drawn to play twice is exactly within the parameters of what a team who finished top 4 in the previous season should be getting in the eighteen team era. Three in the top 6, two in the middle 6, one in the bottom 6. It's crying for the sake of it.

A team who finished literally 3 percentage points behind us is getting a 2-2-2 split. If Geelong were getting something different to what a top 4 team should be getting you'd have some sort of leg to stand on, but as it stands it's just boasting about how little you understand of how the fixture is put together. You cannot get a harder split than the 3-2-1 Geelong and the other top teams got, you not rating which teams we were assigned to for each bracket is the very definition of a you problem.

 

[FreddyTwoShoes]

Weapon/Dank
Conflict of interest gate
Cheat Ground
Good bloke discount for ko'ing a player way out of the play in concussion era
Danger/Hawkins nothing to see here when they almost killed players who were playing the ball
nobody can remember Geelong ever getting any sort of unfair treatment from AFL decision makers.

That should keep you happy for a while.

There it is. Thanks buddy.

 

[Dazb86]

Lol Cats fans queue up across multiple threads to defend their club's annual right to get a below average difficulty draw dressed up as a difficult draw by reference to last years finishing positions.

Amazing how they just happen to get teams in their double up draw who are just coincidentally expected to go backwards in the current year. Almost like they get to choose.

You guys always want your 'blockbusters' twice a year.

This is the result.

 

[STPer18]

So by the end of finals Geelong were the 4th highest rated team in the comp and ended up receiving the 5th hardest fixture for next season. Pretty much bang on which is disappointing, should've rorted harder. Next time just straight up admit that Geelong broke you and save everyone the whinging.