List Mgmt. Geelong's Next Premiership Side?

[Art Vandelay_]

I don't expect them to stay top 8 forever. But I do expect them to make sensible and prudent decisions. Recruiting McIntosh was neither. I'm sure the club hoped that Simpson would be that 'good young ruckman'. But it's become clear the player we tentatively saw in late 2013 isn't coming back. Moving West on hasn't helped either.

How many times do we have to have this Hmac debate? For gods sake it didn't work but the underlying logic was sound. Plain and simple!

 

[abet]

You think supporters who likely have never played the game have a more valued opinion than those who have had long distinguished and successful careers at the highest level?
That is akin to asking a part time cleaner how to run a top 100 company.....

No, but saying we are a chance to contend for the flag in 2018 is not a valued opinion.

 

[Partridge]

How many times do we have to have this Hmac debate? For gods sake it didn't work but the underlying logic was sound. Plain and simple!

There's the difference. I don't think recruiting a 28 year old who has played 8 games in two years is ever sound.

 

[abet]

Why give up our compo pick on Caddy just trade him away 3 years later?

Do you think he's going to make a good A grader?

 

[Catatonic Shock]

No, but saying we are a chance to contend for the flag in 2018 is not a valued opinion.

Did you watch the video?
Maybe it is a case of seeing things differently but I saw it as a "lets see what they could look like in 2018" and the end result was a team on paper that could challenge during that time.
I personally see nothing wrong with what they said, I think some of our young kids are showing some great signs that their ceiling is high and achievable and if the FA talk is anything to go by we could snag a few seriously talented blokes over the pre-season.
Guys like Duncan would be pushing 150-180 games, younger blokes like Caddy, Murdoch etc would be well over 100 and your super young guys now in Gregson, Thurlow, Bews etc would be on that solid 50-80 game mark, that's an age demographic that if talented enough is Premiership winning.

 

[Catatonic Shock]

Do you think he's going to make a good A grader?

A-grader? maybe with a solid group around him where he can play more outside.
Atleast a solid B grader with flashes of A-grade, James Kelly like contribution.
Why would you trade that away?

 

[The rabbi]

It's was never said by Scott it was Cook.
This from the Age.
Cook said it was hard to ignore Scott, the twin brother of current North Melbourne coach Brad Scott, as the ideal replacement for departing two-time premiership coach Mark Thompson.

"We’re also confident Chris will grow.

"The appointment of Chris is not just about 2011, it’s about 2015."



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/cats-announce-chris-scott-as-new-coach-20101018-16pq2.html#ixzz3ffi69fT7

That solves the problem then.
Sack Brian Cook.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

There's the difference. I don't think recruiting a 28 year old who has played 8 games in two years is ever sound.

and every time you make that same BS argument I ask the same question, given we were in premiership mode who was going to be our ruck? Big O again - Pass. West? - Pass. Simpson had only played 5 games up until that point

Again the recruitment WAS worth the risk and in this case it hasn't worked. No big deal, you have to be bold to win and we needed a ruck.

 

[abet]

Did you watch the video?
Maybe it is a case of seeing things differently but I saw it as a "lets see what they could look like in 2018" and the end result was a team on paper that could challenge during that time.
I personally see nothing wrong with what they said, I think some of our young kids are showing some great signs that their ceiling is high and achievable and if the FA talk is anything to go by we could snag a few seriously talented blokes over the pre-season.
Guys like Duncan would be pushing 150-180 games, younger blokes like Caddy, Murdoch etc would be well over 100 and your super young guys now in Gregson, Thurlow, Bews etc would be on that solid 50-80 game mark, that's an age demographic that if talented enough is Premiership winning.

Yeah mate i did see it but thought it was all speculation. On paper it all looks good but what actually happens is totally different.

 

[abet]

A-grader? maybe with a solid group around him where he can play more outside.
Atleast a solid B grader with flashes of A-grade, James Kelly like contribution.
Why would you trade that away?

Yeah he could make B grade but i think we could do better if we traded. That's just my opinion though.

 

[geelong_boy]

Do you think he's going to make a good A grader?

He may. He's still only 22 and given that the game is harder than a decade ago it may take until he's in his mid-20s before he peaks.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Do you think he's going to make a good A grader?

Too early to tell. Don't think he's handling being our 2nd midfielder very well at the minute though. He's better on the outside and we need him more on the inside atm

 

[The rabbi]

He (Caddy) is one of the more physically strong mids that we have.
Not that that says a lot atm. But I would not part with him.

 

[catempire]

Yeah he could make B grade but i think we could do better if we traded. That's just my opinion though.

Why would another club give up more than the equivalent of a B grader in return?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I don't expect them to stay top 8 forever. But I do expect them to make sensible and prudent decisions. Recruiting McIntosh was neither. I'm sure the club hoped that Simpson would be that 'good young ruckman'. But it's become clear the player we tentatively saw in late 2013 isn't coming back. Moving West on hasn't helped either.

So you are ok with the club falling outside of the 8 but not ok with having a hole in our list ? do you not see the contradiction with this statement ?

When sides miss the 8 they always have a hole in their list .

Mate please West is a 198 cm ruckman , doesn't have great athletic ability, doesn't have great skill and due to injury has not played 1 game of football over the past 12 months .

 

[abet]

Why would another club give up more than the equivalent of a B grader in return?

I'm not saying that, i want a draft pick and let Wells see what he could do with that pick.

 

[Partridge]

and every time you make that same BS argument I ask the same question, given we were in premiership mode who was going to be our ruck? Big O again - Pass. West? - Pass. Simpson had only played 5 games up until that point

Again the recruitment WAS worth the risk and in this case it hasn't worked. No big deal, you have to be bold to win and we needed a ruck.

Yes, your tolerance for differing viewpoints is again exemplary.

Well, firstly, before you decided to join the discussion it wasn't about who our ruckman would be in 'premiership mode', it was about list management. But seeing as you want to talk about that, no problems.

2013 - Simpson, West, Vardy, Blicavs. In actuality that was who we played as ruckmen because - oh, that's right - McIntosh missed the whole season.

2014 - Simpson, Blicavs. Simpson still got 13 senior games last year so someone at the club - remember they know better than we do - thought he was capable.

And of that entire list, there is indeed only one 'premiership' ruckman. He's the guy we got rid of.

 

[thegerman]

A-grader? maybe with a solid group around him where he can play more outside.
Atleast a solid B grader with flashes of A-grade, James Kelly like contribution.
Why would you trade that away?

Because he's not a-grade all the time...Lol. Like anyone is.

 

[thegerman]

Why would another club give up more than the equivalent of a B grader in return?

Because he's from Geelong....love your post. Going by some trading, we might get a d grader, then we are worse off.

Caddy is still learning. Give the kid a break.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I'm not saying that, i want a draft pick and let Wells see what he could do with that pick.

Is this a joke ?

We have a 22 year old player who is not injury prone , we all agree is going to be at least a B-grade/potentially A-grade player and you want to trade him so we can take a risk with some unspecified draft pick ?

 

[Partridge]

So you are ok with the club falling outside of the 8 but not ok with having a hole in our list ? do you not see the contradiction with this statement ?

When sides miss the 8 they always have a hole in their list .

Do they? You don't think sides might just have younger players still developing in their respective positions? How many sides outside the 8 right now have the hole in the 23-27 age bracket like we do?

Mate please West is a 198 cm ruckman , doesn't have great athletic ability, doesn't have great skill and due to injury has not played 1 game of football over the past 12 months .

True, he hasn't. Vardy is also a 198cm ruckman. He also hasn't played any football in that time (he's missed more footy in fact). But Geelong had as much knowledge of Vardy's future in late 2013 as they did of West's. Does it affect his standing at Geelong? I suspect not.

 

[abet]

Is this a joke ?

We have a 22 year old player who is not injury prone , we all agree is going to be at least a B-grade/potentially A-grade and you want to trade him so we can take a risk with some unspecified draft pick ?

No, not joking, he's a soft **** and the likes of Gregson, and Gore will go straight past him hardness wise.

 

[Mahlepi]

Yes, your tolerance for differing viewpoints is again exemplary.

Well, firstly, before you decided to join the discussion it wasn't about who our ruckman would be in 'premiership mode', it was about list management. But seeing as you want to talk about that, no problems.

2013 - Simpson, West, Vardy, Blicavs. In actuality that was who we played as ruckmen because - oh, that's right - McIntosh missed the whole season.

2014 - Simpson, Blicavs. Simpson still got 13 senior games last year so someone at the club - remember they know better than we do - thought he was capable.

And of that entire list, there is indeed only one 'premiership' ruckman. He's the guy we got rid of.

seriously, blitz was a speculation overload
no-one expected the injuries to hmac, simpson, vardy
and this year to stanley and clarke

wells cant be held responsible for people breaking down

people need to get a grip

 

[Biggy_Boy]

seriously, blitz was a speculation overload
no-one expected the injuries to hmac, simpson, vardy
and this year to stanley and clarke

wells cant be held responsible for people breaking down

people need to get a grip

Really? People never expected that players with a long history of injuries would be injured again?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Yes, your tolerance for differing viewpoints is again exemplary.

Well, firstly, before you decided to join the discussion it wasn't about who our ruckman would be in 'premiership mode', it was about list management. But seeing as you want to talk about that, no problems.

2013 - Simpson, West, Vardy, Blicavs. In actuality that was who we played as ruckmen because - oh, that's right - McIntosh missed the whole season.

2014 - Simpson, Blicavs. Simpson still got 13 senior games last year so someone at the club - remember they know better than we do - thought he was capable.

And of that entire list, there is indeed only one 'premiership' ruckman. He's the guy we got rid of.

No my tolerance for the same rubbish is wearing thin.

Now that premiership ruckmen you speak of won that medal as our no.2 ruck behind Ottens, a competent no.1 ruck he was not. we had a glut of that type of ruckmen and he had the most currency. Got us Kolo btw.

Lastly all you've posted above about who rucked for us in 2013-14 is with the benefit of hindsight something the list management team didn't have access to when searching for a ruck in October 2012. I view it as not being a list management mistake as the logic was there but ultimately it did not work, these things happen in football.