General AFL thread 2016

[plugger66]

69.5 average score in 8 finals.
I rest my case.

And we had a very good list. Fisher, Roo, Montagna, NDS, Goddard, Hayes, Dempster all AA players. Now if you give any coach 7 AA players at the their peak age they are an absolute lock for top 3. Humphrey B Bear could coach a list with 7 AAs on it (at their peak) to a GF appearance. Lyon's game plan was too sh*t to actually win one.

We won nearly every final so I don't get the point but ok go with it. We never had as many AA as the other GF side in the years we played them and I also hear constantly we had also had hacks playing like Mini and Eddy and then you also don't rate his coaching but somehow we got so close in both GF's. It doesn't make sense but then again a lot of things don't make sense. Your passion in not rating the guy for one. By the way if you can be honest and its hhard because people don't want to admit some things but how did you rate Lyon as a coach in 09 and 10? And what is sad it that a person cant discuss something without getting personal. Now that is really sad. Also sad is a person who cant let the LYon thing go when others say he did a great job at the saints. Just didn't quite do the best job.

 

[Saintbloke]

I think it's safe to say that Lyon did a reasonable job for the Saints, but in the end joined the long list of coaches who didn't get the Saints their next premiership.

 

[Defacto]

oh dear... freo supporters think a rebuild is just changing your game plan and style

jesus theyre in for a world of hurt

 

[VDS66]

We won nearly every final so I don't get the point but ok go with it. We never had as many AA as the other GF side in the years we played them and I also hear constantly we had also had hacks playing like Mini and Eddy and then you also don't rate his coaching but somehow we got so close in both GF's. It doesn't make sense but then again a lot of things don't make sense. Your passion in not rating the guy for one. By the way if you can be honest and its hhard because people don't want to admit some things but how did you rate Lyon as a coach in 09 and 10? And what is sad it that a person cant discuss something without getting personal. Now that is really sad. Also sad is a person who cant let the LYon thing go when others say he did a great job at the saints. Just didn't quite do the best job.

Have to agree with this.

In hindsight it is easy to pick the eyes out of his tenure... as it is with any other coach.

No we didn't win a flag, but he was our 2nd most successful coach since Yabby Jeans.

How good was the list? Yeah it was great at the top but full of holes. A totally screwed CP stopped us from recruiting as we might have. Such is life.

His game plan at the time was designed to stop Geelong and we almost did it.

He's gone now, so who cares? People being criticised for defending him after so long? A touch ironice IMO. why lay the boots in t him after he's been gone for so long? Same difference. I don't really care how he goes to be honest because he's no longer part of our club.

That said, I would welcome him back any day, as would the players from 2009 and 2010 (Ball and Max the possible exceptions).

At the end of the day, the players would run through brick walls for him, which is all that matters... not what what we idiots on here think.

But yes P66 they were the most exciting times being a saints supporter. All those quarters where we held teams goal less... almost an entire year of going to the footy and see us win.

2 breathtaking Prelims and of course all the excitement and illness that comes with turning up to watch the GF with your team playing.

I wouldn't swap those memories for anything... even if we didn't pinch a flag under Lyon.

 

[gringo2011]

You are right on that but he is a very good coach who gets the most out of his list. Well he has until this season.

I'm pretty sure Malthouse won three Premierships in 31 years or so. At Collingwood they persisted with him for a long long time with out the ultimate success. Even getting to a GF is a massive achievement and so much has to go right to snag one. Ross hasn't won one yet but there wouldn't be a better coach with out one ATM. His game style might be out dated and he will have to reinvent plenty to get another crack but I still rate his ability as game day coach.

 

[Mowman]

oh dear... freo supporters think a rebuild is just changing your game plan and style

jesus theyre in for a world of hurt

That's a shame

 

[VDS66]

I'm pretty sure Malthouse won three Premierships in 31 years or so. At Collingwood they persisted with him for a long long time with out the ultimate success. Even getting to a GF is a massive achievement and so much has to go right to snag one. Ross hasn't won one yet but there wouldn't be a better coach with out one ATM. His game style might be out dated and he will have to reinvent plenty to get another crack but I still rate his ability as game day coach.

Fair point. People forget that Malthouse failed in 02/03 and took them 8 years to get back up. we'll have to wait and see if Ross can do the same.

 

[Choomah]

Any team that has hacks like Chris Mayne mzungu suban Spurr de boar etc getting regular games is in big trouble

 

[plugger66]

Any team that has hacks like Chris Mayne mzungu suban Spurr de boar etc getting regular games is in big trouble

It seems you dislike any player who isn't a star. I wish I was a hack like those guys. If they are hacks you must rate Lyon as one of the best coaches to have ever been in the AFL.

 

[Choomah]

It seems you dislike any player who isn't a star. I wish I was a hack like those guys. If they are hacks you must rate Lyon as one of the best coaches to have ever been in the AFL.

He's done well at freo who have a pretty trash list, all those players wouldn't get a game at any other club

 

[sonnywalters]

When I said Port were sh*t 3 weeks ago I was also dismissed as a fool. It seems this thread still thinks it is 2014 when Freo and Port were top 4.

 

[VDS66]

When I said Port were sh*t 3 weeks ago I was also dismissed as a fool. It seems this thread still thinks it is 2014 when Freo and Port were top 4.

Maintain the rage, brother

 

[aussierulesrules]

Apparently Freo have 8 players over 30.

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[VDS66]

The rotation cap has had a profund impact on the game, and looks to be one of the better rule chances of recent times. The short burst - high pressure game is gone and we are seeing more open / high scoring games... not by much, but an improvement for sure.

Where the Dockers have come unstuck is that their squad and style are now out of date and they are having trouble adjusting. New game plans take a while to gel.

question for them is if they draw the line and start looking at next year and what list changes they need to make. They are like us in 2011 / 2012. The window is shut and they need to make the hard calls IMO.

IN 2011, we started poorly and then once we started winning, Lyon turned to his trusted players of 2010 for a last shot, instead of blooding new talent. With his long term future secure, it will be interesting to see if he has it to make the calls needed, take some pain and reload.

 

[psychosaints]

We won nearly every final so I don't get the point but ok go with it. We never had as many AA as the other GF side in the years we played them and I also hear constantly we had also had hacks playing like Mini and Eddy and then you also don't rate his coaching but somehow we got so close in both GF's. It doesn't make sense but then again a lot of things don't make sense. Your passion in not rating the guy for one. By the way if you can be honest and its hhard because people don't want to admit some things but how did you rate Lyon as a coach in 09 and 10? And what is sad it that a person cant discuss something without getting personal. Now that is really sad. Also sad is a person who cant let the LYon thing go when others say he did a great job at the saints. Just didn't quite do the best job.

I agree. I can understand why people were annoyed at the time but I think it's turned out well for us. We've got Richo and while I was skeptical early, this could just be the guy that takes us to the promised land. GO SAINTS!!!!

 

[St Significant]

That's great. Now the AFL tell us there won't be replay Grand Finals anymore. 6 years too late!!!!

 

[Persevering Saint]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-19/no-more-grand-final-replays

So nice of you to join us, AFL.

 

[stavro#4]

Nice kick in the balls today.

Umps admitted they were wrong on the weekend
Afl admits they were 6 years to slow potentially costing us a granny.

 

[plugger66]

Nice kick in the balls today.

Umps admitted they were wrong on the weekend
Afl admits they were 6 years to slow potentially costing us a granny.

Isnt it better they did both? Doesn't help but I'm sure a few complained that the AFL would never admit wrong with the Hawks decisions. As for the no replay well that doesn't upset me at all because we will never know and there has always been a replay before. It wasn't like it had come up previously to have no replay.

 

[Choomah]

Looking at freos draw wouldn't be surprised if they're 1-8 by the time we play them, they're in for a world of pain their list is dross

 

[StFly]

Didn't like having a replay because it cheapens the granny, turning it into a prelim, a warm up and devaluing it should it end up with both sides even at the time of a scheduled end, I can understand why it was in place due to the rarity of it happening and the spectacle of both sides having drawn the penultimate going again the next week, and having been part of a losing GF, I'd have loved a chance the next week to do better than 5mins pity game time by a shit coach, but always wanted extra time, because it is the penultimate, it is where you step out and leave it all out there to win a club and the prestige, if you are even at the end of regulation, it's common sense to me to simply give more time and say "continue". Because that would be tense, that would be two teams who did not give an inch to each other and could not be separated in 2 hours, taking a moment to compose and reset and then attempting to break them again, and if one side did, could you imagine the elation?

I would have liked it sooner, but I'm glad we have it now moving forward.

 

[Joffaboy]

Isnt it better they did both? Doesn't help but I'm sure a few complained that the AFL would never admit wrong with the Hawks decisions. As for the no replay well that doesn't upset me at all because we will never know and there has always been a replay before. It wasn't like it had come up previously to have no replay.

Wouldnt it be better not to have Hawk supoorting umpires gifting the Hawks two goals with blatant errors?

How them giving us half hearted responses doesnt help us one iota.


GF replay? meh

 

[plugger66]

Wouldnt it be better not to have Hawk supoorting umpires gifting the Hawks two goals with blatant errors?

How them giving us half hearted responses doesnt help us one iota.


GF replay? meh

No proof he even follows the Hawks and if his form is poor he will be dropped. I'm unsure the afl planned to have any umpire gift them goals. They said it wrong. Not sure what else they do unless they have the ability to see things in advance

 

[Choomah]

No proof he even follows the Hawks and if his form is poor he will be dropped. I'm unsure the afl planned to have any umpire gift them goals. They said it wrong. Not sure what else they do unless they have the ability to see things in advance

When do they ever drop incompetent umps?

 

[plugger66]

When do they ever drop incompetent umps?

Probably as much as is possible with the small list they have. How would we know unless we look at the 27 umpires every week